N95 or Apple Iphone

[markyap]

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mark yap is a good seller/istoryan. i dont think he's bias. that is so unfair to name him "bias"

thanks codenurse

[jhulz]

N95 8GB ang ako ganahn jd..lau ra au ang features sa iphone..

[EZRA]

i made an n95 thread...thats what its there for! im not bout to repeat everything there here...what for?!

To make a more objective comparison - rather than to throw in one product's setbacks and not mention the other's .. makes it a one sided comparison don't you think?

hmmm goes to show you are one sided on the iphone coz you never checked out the n95 thread...

Nope, I never checked the N95 thread because I really have no interest about the phone.. I already checked it out first hand and the pricetag itself put me off. Hearsay from users and several reviews also helped me come up with my opinion on the N95. Like I said on the other thread, I did shop around before I bought my iPhone... I checked other smartphones and that includes the N95.

thats my n95 review on itself...this is n95 vs iphone...comparison on both...
so yes im defending n95 as compared to iphone coz thats my take on it...n95 is better than iphone.
its like with the GPS issue, you say its crap. i say n95 is still better than iphone coz it has it and it works (verymuch usable even here in cebu) while iphone doesnt have it at all.
sure n95 battery doesnt last that long in my review...but as ckice pointed out same lang sa iphone.
https://www.istorya.net/forums/index....tml#msg2907033
so do i need to repeat that? its in my review and its here posted by ckice...you dont see me posting the battery is great...do you?!
apps problem is mentioned here...did i ever say its not true? nope...i defended the n95 on its merits that you otherwise tend to belittle.

For the sake of comparison, yes it is needed to mention these things (if you find it tedious because it's repetitive, then don't complain when people points out to you that you sound biased because you left stuff out). A more fair comparison would help buyers to figure out what phone to get. As far as the iPhone's drawbacks - I mentioned the regulated bluetooth capability, the cam feature (or the lack thereof), and the lack of 3G connectivity. LOL, I even acknowledge the available lens cap! As far as the GPS feature, I can't really balance that on the equation since N95 is having problems with it.
And for the battery life - I can't say anything against the iPhone honestly because I never had any problems with it running out of juice. At the end of the day, I usually have half a bar of battery life on the gauge and I do use my phone all the time with the wifi up and running.

i defend the n95 on things you dont like (or read bout) that i find contrary to my experience or my point of view.

yes my phone makes my life easier...what i dont use wont hurt me. example i dont use the skins app that i was having problems with thus it doesnt affect my day. the bug after memory restore. i found a work around already.
in the same way you dont use video capture on your phone coz you have HD cam corder straped around your neck. no video capture on your phone doesnt affect your use of the phone. maybe you wont be found wanting one later on but i prefer mine with very good video capture for a phone.
i use GPS and 3G so it affects me if i dont have it on my phone like the iphone. but since you dont use them so your happy with the iphone.
since you use wifi and googlemaps all the time and dont find the need for 3G or GPS, i just defend the other side of the discussion for wanting 3G and GPS on thier phones becasue we have it on our phones and they work great yet we still have wifi and googlemaps. you try to tell people not to want 3G and GPS. but i say otherwise...thus i defend that side.

You didn't need to defend on those things.. we already established the fact that the iPhone doesn't have those features and the N95 does. What you were defending was the logic (or lack thereof) of using the iPhone as a primary video capturing device instead of having a stand alone camcorder. And this we already settled on - no matter how vague your reasoning was. I took your word for it and that's that. It's getting redundant and I'd rather not go back on that issue.

By the way - please don't put words in my mouth - I never said that people shouldn't want 3G and GPS. All I said was that 3G wasn't necessary FOR ME and the N95's GPS suffers from glitches.

i didnt slam the iphone before it came out...i just would give it all its credit before it comes out...it didnt deserve the hype its getting before it came out.
i keep repeating myself....we will find out when it comes out... and we did... and it still didnt deserve all its praises...

Actually yes, you did .. mainly because of the iPhone not having 3G, that was your main argument - very understandble. 3G is quite necessary in some places.

maybe iphone v2 would have better luck impressing me but till then, i doesnt serve me well...mas sulit parin ang n95. works great for me!

Maybe not - as we all know, Nokia's releasing an iPhone counterpart.

btw, il have you know im an authorized apple retailer. i get directly from apple philippines distributors. what i say here just happens to be my honest opinion on things.

Cool - but of course, Apple's iPhone isn't officially released in the Philippines so as long as it's not, doing some sales pitch won't help you at all.

so think what you want...i dont have to prove myself to you.

My friend, you don't really have to ... like I said a few posts back, if you chose to, just keep your reasons to yourself, you're not obligated to explain anything to me. It's no biggie ... we're merely comparing two items, we're not here to show who's got the bigger balls.

[bluntman85]

ezra rulesss!! hehe iphone is THE JESUS PHONE!

[EZRA]

Naaah, bai this is not a pissing contest... just 2 people exchanging different views.

By the way - iPhone is not the messiah of all cellphones... as what was pointed out by Mark, the iPhone has several things to work on. I totally agree with the lack of 3G being a huge flaw. And I do get Mark's view on the iphone's lack of video capturing capabilities. To most, this is an absolute setback, to some (like me) it is an unecessary feature. The limited bluetooth connectivity is also a huge setback for most cellphone users. I always go hardwire with my phone at the end of the day so the limited bluetooth feature wasn't really a big concern for me...another feature not available on the iPhone is MMS messaging. I have no idea if Apple is trying to regulate these features for copyright protection purposes but all I know is that they could've simply incorporated these into the iPhone but they simple chose not to. These are the significant flaws Apple needs to consider working on with the iPhone.

Sa N95 sab - of course, there's the price. It's just a bit too much to pay for a cellphone. Knowing that you're paying that much, the least Nokia could've done was to make it with better materials other than plastic. Now we all know that the phone is loaded with features - but some of these features do suffer from performance flaws and glitches which defeats the idea of paying extra. You would think that things should run smooth since you paid $300 more than it's competitor. The notoriously short battery life is a problem that reviewers usually comments about, that and the slow and often sluggish operating system is also a major complain. Maybe this is what happens when you stack so many functions in such a small device, I don't know and don't quote me on that.

Most of the pros and cons, we've already covered here - actually, we got so repetitive and redundant about it that it's too exhausting to read the exchanges all over again. To sum it all up, Markyap prefers the N95 while I prefer the iPhone. But I'd suggest NOT TO TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT. Go out and try both phones for yourselves and see what suits your purpose.

[tintoy]

correct! :mrgreen:

[markyap]

To make a more objective comparison - rather than to throw in one product's setbacks and not mention the other's .. makes it a one sided comparison don't you think?

just defending the "setbacks" people say bout the n95 that i find unfounded especially when compared to iphone.
when this thread was started i didnt even reply. many post came in i didnt reply. not until a misinformation(lack of information) was posted, i corrected it and posted my choice. and went on replying(correcting) false claims (misinformation) and gave other posters positive claim over the iphone and negative take on the n95 a new insight/view. im not making my own comparison here, im using posters comparison and just giving it a different view/take, just replying to them. thread on iphone and a thread on n95 both exist and ive made my complete views there...

Nope, I never checked the N95 thread because I really have no interest about the phone.. I already checked it out first hand and the pricetag itself put me off. Hearsay from users and several reviews also helped me come up with my opinion on the N95. Like I said on the other thread, I did shop around before I bought my iPhone... I checked other smartphones and that includes the N95.

then you are bias to the iphone

For the sake of comparison, yes it is needed to mention these things (if you find it tedious because it's repetitive, then don't complain when people points out to you that you sound biased because you left stuff out). A more fair comparison would help buyers to figure out what phone to get. As far as the iPhone's drawbacks - I mentioned the regulated bluetooth capability, the cam feature (or the lack thereof), and the lack of 3G connectivity. LOL, I even acknowledge the available lens cap! As far as the GPS feature, I can't really balance that on the equation since N95 is having problems with it.
And for the battery life - I can't say anything against the iPhone honestly because I never had any problems with it running out of juice. At the end of the day, I usually have half a bar of battery life on the gauge and I do use my phone all the time with the wifi up and running.

i may sound bias defending the unit i like better than iphone...not bias coz im selling them...
what lens cap are you talking bout? maybe you mean lenscover the part you say "well if your lens is that big, you definitely need a cover for it" ignoring the fact that even the lens on the iphone cud use protection...you left that out...then you are guilty of leaving stuff out too...
btw, n93/i has a lenscap (maybe even the n90) but not the n95.

You didn't need to defend on those things.. we already established the fact that the iPhone doesn't have those features and the N95 does. What you were defending was the logic (or lack thereof) of using the iPhone as a primary video capturing device instead of having a stand alone camcorder. And this we already settled on - no matter how vague your reasoning was. I took your word for it and that's that. It's getting redundant and I'd rather not go back on that issue.

huh?? iphone doesnt have video...i think you're mixing them up...
and my reason is clear as crystal...the reason is i dont like videography...how much clearer do you want it?

By the way - please don't put words in my mouth - I never said that people shouldn't want 3G and GPS. All I said was that 3G wasn't necessary FOR ME and the N95's GPS suffers from glitches.

ok maybe it was the other guy in the other thread...my bad

Actually yes, you did .. mainly because of the iPhone not having 3G, that was your main argument - very understandble. 3G is quite necessary in some places.

nope, just pointing out why it didnt seem to deserve the praises its getting specially if we base it on paper. i still insisted we all wait till it comes out before we give it five stars or something...and again rightfully so...

Maybe not - as we all know, Nokia's releasing an iPhone counterpart.Cool - but of course, Apple's iPhone isn't officially released in the Philippines so as long as it's not, doing some sales pitch won't help you at all.

doesnt mean i cant sell iphone does it?
and again, i sell s.e. products but do you see me posting sales pitch or saying its good... i keep saying its bad dont like it etc yet im selling them...how do you explain that? if thats your argument then i should be praising P990i and other S.E. even though i dont like them.

[markyap]

To sum it all up, Markyap prefers the N95 while I prefer the iPhone.

yup...that about sums it all up

[EZRA]

just defending the "setbacks" people say bout the n95 that i find unfounded especially when compared to iphone.
when this thread was started i didnt even reply. many post came in i didnt reply. not until a misinformation(lack of information) was posted, i corrected it and posted my choice. and went on replying(correcting) false claims (misinformation) and gave other posters positive claim over the iphone and negative take on the n95 a new insight/view. im not making my own comparison here, im using posters comparison and just giving it a different view/take, just replying to them. thread on iphone and a thread on n95 both exist and ive made my complete views there...

Seriously though, they are setbacks - not that iPhones doesn't have setbacks as well. Again it would've been a more objective comparison if both pros and cons were mentioned on each phone.

then you are bias to the iphone

After trying both phones, I made my choice. I chose a side... but then again, I didn't totally discredit the other.

i may sound bias defending the unit i like better than iphone...not bias coz im selling them...
what lens cap are you talking bout? maybe you mean lenscover the part you say "well if your lens is that big, you definitely need a cover for it" ignoring the fact that even the lens on the iphone cud use protection...you left that out...then you are guilty of leaving stuff out too...

Oh yeah, lens cover.. my bad. The iPhone lens could use some protection? I don't know... it's too small to even bother, but then it is a lens and lenses are fragile. And no, I didn't leave that out because I never really though about it needing a lens cover.

btw, n93/i has a lenscap (maybe even the n90) but not the n95.
huh?? iphone doesnt have video...i think you're mixing them up...
and my reason is clear as crystal...the reason is i dont like videography...how much clearer do you want it?

I got them mixed up, thanks for pointing that out. About you not liking videography.. again, I'm taking your word for it and I don't even wanna go and relive that argument.

ok maybe it was the other guy in the other thread...my bad

It's cool.. we all make mistakes.. obviously I did.

nope, just pointing out why it didnt seem to deserve the praises its getting specially if we base it on paper. i still insisted we all wait till it comes out before we give it five stars or something...and again rightfully so...

I really don't have any idea about the hype - there wasn't that much hype here to be honest with you. Although I do agree that you said to wait `til it comes out but even at that, you already have negative ideas about the iPhone based on "paper".

doesnt mean i cant sell iphone does it?

Well you can - of course but not in a legit level, right?

and again, i sell s.e. products but do you see me posting sales pitch or saying its good... i keep saying its bad dont like it etc yet im selling them...how do you explain that? if thats your argument then i should be praising P990i and other S.E. even though i dont like them.

I have no idea - honestly, but that's rare amongst retailers to tell you the truth. How do you manage to sell them anyways? I'd picture you saying - "well, if you're looking to buy a P990i, I'd suggest to check something else like this Nokia etc..." I'm not trying to start something, I'm just wondering.

[markyap]

Seriously though, they are setbacks - not that iPhones doesn't have setbacks as well. Again it would've been a more objective comparison if both pros and cons were mentioned on each phone.After trying both phones, I made my choice. I chose a side... but then again, I didn't totally discredit the other.
Oh yeah, lens cover.. my bad. The iPhone lens could use some protection? I don't know... it's too small to even bother, but then it is a lens and lenses are fragile. And no, I didn't leave that out because I never really though about it needing a lens cover.

is the iphone lens microscopic, no its not...so it cud still use protection againts scratches and smudges (finger prints)

I got them mixed up, thanks for pointing that out. About you not liking videography.. again, I'm taking your word for it and I don't even wanna go and relive that argument.
It's cool.. we all make mistakes.. obviously I did.

only human

I really don't have any idea about the hype - there wasn't that much hype here to be honest with you. Although I do agree that you said to wait `til it comes out but even at that, you already have negative ideas about the iPhone based on "paper". Well you can - of course but not in a legit level, right?

i wouldnt say negative, i was trying to be neutral...taking it for what it is (based of paper then)...i was more against the praising post on something totally new and never been tested without experience at it specially on a device not yet out...i dont think it deserved it...i was more of a neutralizing agent on that but some dude got super hyped bout it you would think it was his god i was trying to neutralize hehehe

I have no idea - honestly, but that's rare amongst retailers to tell you the truth. How do you manage to sell them anyways? I'd picture you saying - "well, if you're looking to buy a P990i, I'd suggest to check something else like this Nokia etc..." I'm not trying to start something, I'm just wondering.

then you are judging me before you even know me...read up on all my post before you accuse me of anything...your a moderator, you should know better!
how do you think i got Preferred Partner status in this forum if i was a liar and a cheat...i got twice as many positive rating than any other forumer here. i think that should account for something dont you?
my cellphone thread has over 100,000 views already (thats more views than any thread in this forum if im not mistaken)...
i have an obligation to say what i truly think of a product...
if i tell them i dont like it, but thats what they still want then there is nothing i can do but to sell to them the product and wish them all the luck!
if they end up regretting the purchase at least i was being honest to begin with...they cant blame me.
heres why people still buy from me...even on products i dont like, if i sell them i provide full support to the best of my abilities.
and i draw the line when it comes to fake units and really cheap/bad quality products coz then i would refuse to sell them so they are protected on that end.
oh and i always try to give the best prices possible every time. hope that somewhat answers your question.