AFP wants mandatory ROTC revived

[gareb]

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FEAR tingale motoo ko nga ma disiplina ka...pero intimidation lahi nasad na.

you cannot derive discipline out of fear. fear makes you walk in line because you are afraid, not because you see it as the right thing to do. people who have the authority and power to punish holds it over everyone, hence the intimidation. this is what military discipline is rooted in, essentially following orders unquestioningly.

this functions within the school of thought that discipline and critical mindedness cannot work together, and that the freedom to question whatever is given is seen as a "lack of discipline". the structure of this style of discipline promotes robots instead of humans. it is rigid and static. an alternative for this is a kind of discipline that is rooted out of genuine respect free from intimidation, where ideas are discussed and affirmed.

for young minds to internalize patriotism does not require military service, since military service does not require you to think, but to simply follow orders. to internalize an idea is to think it over.

[pepponeskie]

you cannot derive discipline out of fear. fear makes you walk in line because you are afraid, not because you see it as the right thing to do. people who have the authority and power to punish holds it over everyone, hence the intimidation. this is what military discipline is rooted in, essentially following orders unquestioningly.

this functions within the school of thought that discipline and critical mindedness cannot work together, and that the freedom to question whatever is given is seen as a "lack of discipline". the structure of this style of discipline promotes robots instead of humans. it is rigid and static. an alternative for this is a kind of discipline that is rooted out of genuine respect free from intimidation, where ideas are discussed and affirmed.

for young minds to internalize patriotism does not require military service, since military service does not require you to think, but to simply follow orders. to internalize an idea is to think it over.

i think you are talking another topic of fear...

i was talking a general derivation of discipline from fear (maybe I am off topic). An example will be a good law with a political will. Like just what they are doing in such country as Singapore, halos kinto ang mga tawo tungod ang ilang balaod gipatuman ug mahadlok sila sa balaod.

to follow orders, of course mao man jud na ang scenery sa gira...to obey orders from the top. mag unsa mn ka sa gira kung wala kay experience sa military service, ultimo pag dismantle ug gunit ug armas dili ka kahibaw? weak kaau ang imong defense ana when it comes to invasion.

[gareb]

i think you are talking another topic of fear...

fear and intimidation are the primary means of 'discipline' in military service. everything else takes a lower position.

i was talking a general derivation of discipline from fear (maybe I am off topic). An example will be a good law with a political will. Like just what they are doing in such country as Singapore, halos kinto ang mga tawo tungod ang ilang balaod gipatuman ug mahadlok sila sa balaod.

in singapore, their kind of punishment function simply as deterrents to erring individuals. take note though that people do not merely follow these somewhat severe regulations because they are afraid, people follow them because they understand that it is what takes for them to maintain how the city is now. they realize the necessity of the law hence they follow it.

to follow orders, of course mao man jud na ang scenery sa gira...to obey orders from the top. mag unsa mn ka sa gira kung wala kay experience sa military service, ultimo pag dismantle ug gunit ug armas dili ka kahibaw? weak kaau ang imong defense ana when it comes to invasion.

true. no one says that military discipline is useless. it is everything in the forefront of battle where crucial decisions from the top need to be followed.

however the country is not in a state of war. if we follow military discipline, can we trust that every decision maker in power will dispense orders that is for the good of us all? highly unlikely.

[pepponeskie]

fear and intimidation are the primary means of 'discipline' in military service. everything else takes a lower position.

yup, agree. fear and intimidation in the military is another way to set your mind nga isug ka maski dili. it's not entirely to derive discipline.

in singapore, their kind of punishment function simply as deterrents to erring individuals. take note though that people do not merely follow these somewhat severe regulations because they are afraid, people follow them because they understand that it is what takes for them to maintain how the city is now. they realize the necessity of the law hence they follow it.

right, that's the fear that governs to be a disciplined one. But not in the military.

true. no one says that military discipline is useless. it is everything in the forefront of battle where crucial decisions from the top need to be followed.

ROTC should be revived it should be thoroughly revised also.

[gareb]

ROTC should be revived it should be thoroughly revised also.

i still cannot agree though. the kind of culture that the military has is too ingrained for any "revisions" to have any significant effect on it. the same brand of culture coupled with dirty politics (both inside and beyond campuses ) can have fearful consequences, both of which we simply do not need.

[pepponeskie]

i still cannot agree though. the kind of culture that the military has is too ingrained for any "revisions" to have any significant effect on it. the same brand of culture coupled with dirty politics (both inside and beyond campuses ) can have fearful consequences, both of which we simply do not need.

I witnessed the corruption of the officers before, when some of my classmates where exempted from the training, because they bribed and offer their transportation services to the officers. Hence, this trend can still be destroy. If there is a will to change it.

Once, my cousin talked to me about the Magdalo, when he cannot understand before the reason of the mutiny, he was still inside the PMA at that time. When he graduated and do his job in Kalinga Apayao, he was shocked when the right that he was told in the PMA became wrong in the outside, and the wrong became right. And now, he understands why the Magdalo did the mutiny.

For me, ROTC is a training to let the citizens be prepared in case of invasion.

[budoyski]

mas maayo ibalik ang rotc, what if naay giyera or invasion diri sa pilipinas....

[samsungster]

bitaw i agree balik rotc...

[hulagway]

kung mao man lang gali nga dili mo sugot nga naa ROTC tungod lang sa corruption din mas maayo lang pud cguro nga ato ng ipatangtang ang mga government officials..ato nalang pud na pasiradan ang LTO CUSTOMS ug BIR? unsa man? corruption man kaha ang atong basihan?

para nako pagka mabaw ug rason tungod lang sa corruption....ingna jud nga tapulan mo...maayo gani diri sa pinas kay ROTC rana sa uban gani nga nasud..required man jud gani mo render ug at least 2years services sa military.....

[budoyski]

ayay!! balik napud ang ROTC!!!

dili naman uso ang gubat karon, dili nani sya kinahanglan wui...

para naku, a must lang ni sya if imu gi-eskwelahan kay kay criminology, pma, pmma, nautical, airforce, ug etc..basta ma-envolve ka ug fighting...apil nalang pud ang nursing kay first aid mani sila sa gubat!!hehehehe

pero if HRM guro, nya mag-ROTC,,murag lahi raman guro...

it doesnt mean na kung naay gubat naay ROTC...kung naay moinvade or gubat sa pilipinas naa bay motabang sa armed forces

agree ko na ibalik ang ROTC...