2009 Overclocking Competition

[box2joe]

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nice mas lame lage timpla sa procie ni cj compared sa kang poldopunk... stable na xa at that speed bai? i want to reach a 3.4GHz stable sa ako e2140 but 3.360GHz raman jud ko kutob oi. tsk..tsk..tsk.. ngita pa jud ni gamay hilot.

[simoko]

nice mas lame lage timpla sa procie ni cj compared sa kang poldopunk... stable na xa at that speed bai? i want to reach a 3.4GHz stable sa ako e2140 but 3.360GHz raman jud ko kutob oi. tsk..tsk..tsk.. ngita pa jud ni gamay hilot.

when u hit the "wall", this is where your knowledge turns to WISDOM...

payts jouiebox...the 4GHz OC Club is waiting for u.....

[fineupgrades]

hehehe..nang gawas na ang mga gamhanan sa overclocking..

[poldopunk]

when u hit the "wall", this is where your knowledge turns to WISDOM...

i couldn't agree more.

when i started overclocking this proc, the first wall was at 280 FSB which puts the processor at 3.0GHz with 1.45volts, i looked for means to lower that like share the load between processor and memory controller so i dropped the multiplier slowly while cranking up the FSB, i eventually settled at 333 x 9 with much more better response than 280 FSB at same clockspeed -- 3.0GHz and a slightly lower voltage (1.41v).

boss simoko, if you are running within the VID range of your proc, is it safe for 24/7 usage?

for example, my range is at .85 - 1.5v. if i run at the maximum voltage, safe ba?

[simoko]

@ poldopunk: your VID(Voltage ID) is basically what Intel says nga mao na iyang stable ranges...mao nai "bin" sa imong procie during testing sa Intel...preha ra gyud unta na sila pagkahimo, but due to variations sa materials(silicon substrate/etching etc) mao mo differ sila in performance. example: E8200/E8400/E8500/E8600...preha ra gyud na sila...galing lang during testing at the highest GHz range(3.4GHZ bin) ang mo pass becomes the E8600, then sa lower range 3.3GHz becomes the E8500...ang fallouts becomes the E8400 or the E8200...mao pud na reason u can OC your procie...

so is it safe to OC 24/7 as long as w/in the VID range? YES....

at max voltage...u are hastening the electromigration process...slowly degrading the processor substrate itself...i won't endorse it...u will know your procie is dying bec. TRAP error conditions wil start to appear...

[poldopunk]

very well explained, salamat kaayo. specially sa trap error. i pretty much found out earlier that at 1.5 volts, electromigration is occurring a lot more.

the trap error was a very good tip. i'll take note of that and keep it in mind.

**edit**

naa lang ko funny reaction with electromigration...

'they all degrade anyway, so why not use it at its full potential'

mao na ni akong motto sa overclocking ron. hehehe

[vashtinone]

mga banggiitan na OC'er mga tao dri oi.. pero makakutlo man sad ug pantulon.an dri.. nindut ni kay makakat.on jd ta.. hehehe.... padayon mga mazters..

[box2joe]

@ Simoko: sir ask lang ko about anang TRAP error is it really means nga if mugawas na kana nga error nagpasabot na jud na nga na prito na imo procie? or dunay pa jud possibility nga maluwas pa ang procie if ever mugawas na xa nga message ...

[poldopunk]

i'll try to explain electromigration box2joe.

sa sulod sa imong processor, naa path for the electricity to flow, if you increase the flow, electrons would slowly erode the surface. let's say naa'y curve nga dalan inside, then you increase the flow of electrons, mobangga siya ngadto at a much faster rate. eventually ma errode jud to ang dalan nga iyang giagian...this is electromigration.

this effect is like addiction, when i said that over-time the silicon gets erroded, you would now require a much higher/faster flow to obtain the same speed so, to answer your question....

NO, although getting trap error messages doesn't mean that its coming from the processor (could be memory or the mch) but there's no way you can rebuild the degraded silicon.

[simoko]

@box2joe: your processor has a self diagnostics or error checking shall we say...when u boot up your machine mogawas na gani nga TRAP followed by mga series of registers(remember ka sa assembly language nimo? ), then its a definite sign nga hapit na...mahimo ug desk ornament....

sakto kaayo na gi-ingon ni poldopunk...pero ako pasabot is the above....

kanang electromigration is just one APAN sa electronics...also when u apply more voltage to get ur procie stable at an overclock state, it produces more heat...remember that heat is your number one enemy...why? because it brings about, in a more pronounce way, the defects or impurities of the silicon substrate, like hairline cracks, bubbles, dirt...tungod sa heat, mo propagate na ang cracks/bubbles to the surface where the circuits are etched...although these procie nakapasar na sila sa temp cycle & hotpot tests during manufacturing, the substrate itself is not perfect...