Loose Change 2nd Edition - 9/11 Conspiracy Documentary

[DYOBAN]

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That conspiracy thoery of yours is a complete BS!!! Do you think america is capable of sacrificing 5000+ of its own citizen just to go to the middle east and ousted Saddam Hussein? It says in you link and I quote "The survey also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive Twin Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed." There are no explosive aboard the plane, if you could see the impact when the planes hit the towers there is only a single explosion. If there were explosive on board there should be more than one explosion aside from the explosive there's also the fuel of the plane.

What collapses the towers is the fuel of the planes that went directly down to the elevator shaft of the buildings, burning out all the metals that causes the intergirity of the building to collapse. I don't believe in that theory that US government will conspire with the terrorist to destroying the two towers full of people. So they are disregarding their own law by violating the So you mean that sagging economy after what had happened in NYC is part of their plan for the sake of envading the middle east? hmmm such conspiracy theory I dare you to provide some substantial evidence to prove your claim.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Aguy nerz @ WEED .... nanghasik na si DYOBAN ....

[dagget]

There is only 1 name that would have stop al-Queda for good and possibly 9/11....... and possibly Iraqi unrest......

Ahmed Shah Massoud

[Gwynhuever]

Aguy nerz @ WEED .... nanghasik na si DYOBAN ....

bwahaha....bantay ni si weed ani...at least kita bisan mag ka kontra partido....amigo inig abot sa kusina...si dyoban morag naninuod na ra ba ni...so weed unsa man imo ika tubag ani kuno be....

[weedmeister2]

get ready to read you eyes out...

That conspiracy thoery of yours is a complete BS!!! Do you think america is capable of sacrificing 5000+ of its own citizen just to go to the middle east and ousted Saddam Hussein? It says in you link and I quote "The survey also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive Twin Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed."

YES. Ever heard of Pearl Harbor? I suggest you read up on the de-classified information which the US re-classified due to evidence that Pearl Harbor was a much needed "sacrifice" so that the US could join the war... I already posted it on the 2nd page... I guess you just barged in without reviewing the posts... oh well, lemme paste it here for you:

Pearl Harbor was FDR's way to get into WWII... I suggest you read up on Robert Stinnett's book "Day of Deceit"... here is a little part of a review on it:

"To those who believe that government conspiracies can’t possibly happen, Day Of Deceit could prove to them otherwise. Stinnett’s well-documented book makes a convincing case that the highest officials of the government—including the highest official—fooled and deceived millions of Americans about one of the most important days in the history of the country. It now has to be considered one of the most definitive—if not the definitive—book on the subject. Gore Vidal has said, “…Robert Stinnet has come up with most of the smoking guns. Day Of Deceit shows that the famous ‘surprise’ attack was no surprise to our war-minded rulers…” And John Toland, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of the Pearl Harbor book, Infamy, said, “Step by step, Stinnett goes through the prelude to war, using new documents to reveal the terrible secrets that have never been disclosed to the public. It is disturbing that eleven presidents, including those I admired, kept the truth from the public until Stinnett’s Freedom of Information Act requests finally persuaded the Navy to release the evidence.”


And some sites on it:

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX...earlharbor.htm

There are no explosive aboard the plane, if you could see the impact when the planes hit the towers there is only a single explosion. If there were explosive on board there should be more than one explosion aside from the explosive there's also the fuel of the plane.

You are right, there were NO EXPLOSIVES ON THE PLANE.
But, THERE WERE EXPLOSIVES IN THE TOWERS.


Rich Banaciski -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
... and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.

Brian Becker -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 28]
The collapse hadn't begun, but it was not a fire any more up there. It was like -- it was like that -- like smoke explosion on a tremendous scale going on up there.

Greg Brady -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) [Battalion 6]
We were standing underneath and Captain Stone was speaking again. We heard -- I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up and the north tower is coming down now, 1 World Trade Center.

Timothy Burke -- Firefigter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 202]
But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped. I thought it was an explosion.

Ed Cachia -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 53]
we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.

Frank Campagna -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 11]
You see three explosions and then the whole thing coming down.

Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 8]
... you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was.

Jason Charles -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
... and then I heard an explosion from up, from up above, and I froze and I was like, oh, s___, I'm dead because I thought the debris was going to hit me in the head and that was it.
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I look over my shoulder and I says, oh, s___, and then I turned around and looked up and that's when I saw the tower coming down.

Frank Cruthers -- Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Citywide Tour Commander]
.. there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.

Kevin Darnowski -- Paramedic (E.M.S.)
I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down.

Dominick Derubbio -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Division 8]
It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion ...

Karin Deshore -- Captain (E.M.S.)
Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode.

Brian Dixon -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)
... the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see -- I could see two sides of it and the other side -- it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.

Michael Donovan -- Captain (F.D.N.Y.)
I thought there had been an explosion or a bomb that they had blown up there.

James Drury -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)
I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building.

Thomas Fitzpatrick -- Deputy Commissioner for Administration (F.D.N.Y.)
Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing it, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.
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My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.

Gary Gates -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
So the explosion, what I realized later, had to be the start of the collapse. It was the way the building appeared to blowout from both sides. I'm looking at the face of it, and all we see is the two sides of the building just blowing out and coming apart like this, as I said, like the top of a volcano.

Kevin Gorman -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
... I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes.

Gregg Hansson -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.

Timothy Julian -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 118]
You know, and I just heard like an explosion and then cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down.

John Malley -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
I felt the rumbling, and then I felt the force coming at me. I was like, what the hell is that? In my mind it was a bomb going off.

James McKinley -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
After that I heard this huge explosion, I thought it was a boiler exploding or something. Next thing you know this huge cloud of smoke is coming at us, so we're running.

Joseph Meola -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 91]
As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out.

Kevin Murray -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 18]
When the tower started -- there was a big explosion that I heard and someone screamed that it was coming down and I looked away and I saw all the windows domino

Janice Olszewski -- Captain (E.M.S.)
I thought it was an explosion or a secondary device, a bomb, the jet -- plane exploding, whatever.

Daniel Rivera -- Paramedic (E.M.S.) [Battalion 31]
At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop"? That's exactly what -- because I thought it was that.

Angel Rivera -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
That's when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can hear it. Everything shook.

Kennith Rogers -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.

Patrick Scaringello -- Lieutenant (E.M.S.)
I started to treat patients on my own when I heard the explosion from up above.

Mark Steffens -- Division Chief (E.M.S.)
Then there was another it sounded like an explosion and heavy white powder ...

John Sudnik -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)
Then we heard a loud explosion or what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and I saw tower two start coming down. Crazy.

Jay Swithers -- Captain (E.M.S.)
I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.

David Timothy -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
The next thing I knew, you started hearing more explosions. I guess this is when the second tower started coming down.

Albert Turi -- Deputy Assistant Chief (F.D.N.Y.)
And as my eyes traveled up the building, and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a ring right around the building blew out.

Thomas Turilli -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
... it almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came.

Stephen Viola -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
... that's when the south tower collapsed, and it sounded like a bunch of explosions.

William Wall -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 47]
At that time, we heard an explosion. We looked up and the building was coming down right on top of us ...

The above from http://www.911review.com/coverup/oralhistories.html






Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on September 11 that has still not been explained.
The Palisades seismic record shows that — as the collapses began — a huge seismic "spike" marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth. These unexplained "spikes" in the seismic data lend credence to the theory that massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses. [AFP]

Video of this and more at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shake.html






Multiple Explosions

Some of the testimonies suggested that more than one explosion occurred in one tower or the other. FDNY Captain Dennis Tardio, speaking of the south tower, said: "I hear an explosion and I look up. It is as if the building is being imploded, from the top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom."10

In June of 2002, NBC television played segments from tapes recorded on 9/11. One segment contained the following exchange, which involved firefighters in the south tower:

Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.11

Firefighter Louie Cacchioli, after entering the north tower lobby and seeing elevator doors completely blown out and people being hit with debris, asked himself, “how could this be happening so quickly if a plane hit way above?” After he reached the 24th floor, he and another fireman “heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb [and] knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator.” After they pried themselves out of the elevator, “another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later . . . [and] I’m thinking, ‘Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!’”12

Multiple explosions were also reported by Teresa Veliz, who worked for a software development company in the north tower. She was on the 47th floor, she reported, when suddenly “the whole building shook. . . . [Shortly thereafter] the building shook again, this time even more violently." Then, while Veliz was making her way downstairs and outside: “There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. . . . There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."13

Steve Evans, a New York-based correspondent for the BBC, said: “I was at the base of the second tower . . . that was hit. . . . There was an explosion. . . . The base of the building shook. . . . [T]hen there was a series of explosions.”14

Sue Keane, an officer in the New Jersey Fire Police Department who was previously a sergeant in the U.S. Army, said in her account of the onset of the collapse of the south tower: “[I]t sounded like bombs going off. That's when the explosions happened. . . . I knew something was going to happen. . . . It started to get dark, then all of a sudden there was this massive explosion.” Then, discussing her experiences during the collapse of the north tower, she said: “[There was] another explosion. That sent me and the two firefighters down the stairs. . . . I can't tell you how many times I got banged around. Each one of those explosions picked me up and threw me. . . . There was another explosion, and I got thrown with two firefighters out onto the street.”15

Wall Street Journal reporter John Bussey, describing his observation of the collapse of the south tower from the ninth floor of the WSJ office building, said: “I . . . looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor. . . . One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces.”16

Another Wall Street Journal reporter said that after seeing what appeared to be “individual floors, one after the other exploding outward,” he thought: “‘My God, they’re going to bring the building down.’ And they, whoever they are, HAD SET CHARGES. . . . I saw the explosions.”17

A similar perception was reported by Beth Fertig of WNYC Radio, who said: “It just descended like a timed explosion—like when they are deliberately bringing a building down. . . . It was coming down so perfectly that in one part of my brain I was thinking, 'They got everyone out, and they're bringing the building down because they have to.'”18

A more graphic testimony to this perception was provided on the film made by the Naudet brothers. In a clip from that film, one can watch two firemen describing their experiences to other firemen.

Fireman 1: “We made it outside, we made it about a block . . . .”

Fireman 2: “We made it at least two blocks and we started running.” He makes explosive sounds and then uses a chopping hand motion to emphasize his next point: “Floor by floor it started popping out . . . .”

Fireman 1: “It was as if they had detonated--as if they were planning to take down a building, boom boom boom boom boom . . . .”

Fireman 2: “All the way down. I was watching it and running. And then you just saw this cloud of shit chasing you down.”19

As these illustrations show, quite impressive testimony to the occurrence of explosions in the Twin Towers existed even prior to the release of the oral histories. As we will see, however, these oral histories have made the testimony much more impressive, qualitatively as well as quantitatively. The cumulative testimony now points even more clearly than before not simply to explosions but to controlled demolition.

From http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...60118104223192



More videos and transcripts about the EXPLOSIONS at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_firefighters.html

Videos about the explosions at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApOt3jdn28A

BBC footage of explosion at north tower http://torrentchannel.com/9-11/BBC_B...rldTradeCenter

More Eyewitness accounts and Expert analysis http://100777.com/node/1304

And still more rescuer accounts http://911review.org/Wget/Killtown/9...nside-wtc.html

[weedmeister2]

Continued....

What collapses the towers is the fuel of the planes that went directly down to the elevator shaft of the buildings, burning out all the metals that causes the intergirity of the building to collapse.

So you mean that fuel from one plane can MELT A WHOLE BUILDING (first time in history), and leave MOLTEN METAL under the debris FOR SIX WEEKS (first time in history), yet still leave the people inside the building ALIVE enough to run to the windows AND WAVE AND JUMP OUT; and MAKE 4 BLACK BOXES DISAPPEAR (first ever in history, by the way), yet let them find the PASSPORTS of terrorists in the said plane full of fuel...?

Do you really think we're that dumb...?


Firstly, fires have raged in skyscrapers for up to 24 hours before, and the building did not even get compromised. The fires in WTC burned less than one hour, and they just fall like dust...? You seriously believe that?

Secondly, People were running around inside the towers, and even 2 floors above and below the plane entrance holes, people could be seen waving and hanging around... So you mean they were excempted from the "metal-melting" fuel fires...?

WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 all went down with FREE FALL SPEED, just like an apple dropped from the tree... Do you know that that can only mean one thing...? That there was no resistance, aside from the AIR that was restricting its travel down? Meaning that the floors below were already PULVERIZED. Just like in a controlled demolition.

WTC 7 was NOT in any way hit by any plane, yet when Larry Silverstein said "PULL IT" it went down demolition style... Whoa! that guy must be a God...!?!?! Nah, he just owned the complex and got $861M to rebuild it... (estimated cost to build is $386M... Think he'll share the extra $500M with us...? hehehehe... and that's just for Building 7)


Anyhow, here's more for you to read...


"On the basis of photographic and video evidence as well as related data and analyses, I provide thirteen reasons for rejecting the official hypothesis, according to which fire and impact damage caused the collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC 7, in favor of the controlled-demolition hypothesis. The goal is to promote further scrutiny of the official government-sponsored reports as well as serious investigation of the controlled-demolition hypothesis. (No rebuttal of my argument can be complete, of course, unless it addresses all of these points.)"

Read that and more on "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" By Dr. Steven E. Jones, Physicist and Archaeometrist --------> http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html



Videos proving that the fires were almost out, that rescue helicopters were told to stand down, that multiple jet liner impacts were in the WTC design, etc.... ----> http://www.911eyewitness.com/samples.html



"Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives."
-----> http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html



"Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish WTC 7 late in the afternoon of 9/11. In the documentary "America Rebuilds", aired September 2002, Silverstein makes the following statement;
"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." ----> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html



Here is a picture of your PLANE FUEL MELTING EVERYTHING:

[img width=500 height=328]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/woman_wtc.jpg[/img]

See the woman surviving the metal-melting fire...? At the collision point, nonetheless! Wonderwoman, perhaps?



Here is a skyscraper in madrid that burned for 10 hours at 800 degrees celcius:







hey, its almost out... but wait a minute... its still standing...?





The government reports admit that the building fires were insufficient to melt steel beams -- then where did the molten metal pools come from? Metals expert Dr. Frank Gayle (working with NIST) stated:

Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that's what melted the steel. Indeed it did not, the steel did not melt. (Field, 2005; emphasis added.)

None of the official reports tackles this mystery. Yet this is evidently a significant clue to what caused the Towers and WTC 7 to collapse. So an analysis of the composition of the previously-molten metal is required by a qualified scientific panel. This could well become an experiment crucis.

Prof. Thomas Eagar explained in 2001 that the WTC fires would NOT melt steel:

"The fire is the most misunderstood part of the WTC collapse. Even today, the media report (and many scientists believe) that the steel melted. It is argued that the jet fuel burns very hot, especially with so much fuel present. This is not true.... The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel.

In combustion science, there are three basic types of flames, namely, a jet burner, a pre-mixed flame, and a diffuse flame.... In a diffuse flame, the fuel and the oxidant are not mixed before ignition, but flow together in an uncontrolled manner and combust when the fuel/oxidant ratios reach values within the flammable range. A fireplace is a diffuse flame burning in air, as was the WTC fire. Diffuse flames generate the lowest heat intensities of the three flame types... The maximum flame temperature increase for burning hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1000 °C -- hardly sufficient to melt steel at 1500 °C."

"But it is very difficult to reach [even] this maximum temperature with a diffuse flame. There is nothing to ensure that the fuel and air in a diffuse flame are mixed in the best ratio... This is why the temperatures in a residential fire are usually in the 500 °C to 650 °C range [Cote, 1992]. It is known that the WTC fire was a fuel-rich, diffuse flame as evidenced by the copious black smoke.... It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425 °C and loses about half of its strength at 650 °C [Cote, 1992]. This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse... The WTC, on this low-wind day, was likely not stressed more than a third of the design allowable... Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650 °C fire." (Eagar and Musso, 2001; emphasis added.)

-----> http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

I don't believe in that theory that US government will conspire with the terrorist to destroying the two towers full of people. So they are disregarding their own law by violating the So you mean that sagging economy after what had happened in NYC is part of their plan for the sake of envading the middle east? hmmm such conspiracy theory I dare you to provide some substantial evidence to prove your claim.

It's up to you to believe, my friend... the compelling evidence has been presented.

[tolstoi]

DYOBAN..now it's your turn to present whatever counter evidences you can muster in order to prove weedmeister's arguments as false...otherwise, you can change your mind and join us on this righteous crusade in bringing out the TRUTH =)

[tolstoi]

..while waiting for DYOBAN's counterarguments, anybody care for a pizzas and budz?

[weedmeister2]

ill take the budz and pizzas Tolz... its been five years since this disaster, and still there are so many questions, and INJUSTICE is still ringing in our ears...

Injustice, not just for the 9/11 victims, but also for the Afghan and Iraqi civilians who have had to go through death and hell just to satisfy some madmen's desires... This is like a large scale version of de Sade's "120 Days of Sodom"... http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/120Days/

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Bitaw mga papart .... 5 years is long enough to still not uncover the truth because that is the truth . WE already have the experts and resources that can JUSTIFY anything , anytime , anywhere but all we came up are all sites that are meant to be ANTI to the government . Other than that ... if its not a SPECULATION , it is a an ACCOUNT of a person SPECULATING and worst comes to worst , CONSIPRACY THEORIST on the prowl .

There are no HARD EVIDENCE but THOERY only of what can and could have happen .

@ DYOBAN ... hehehe murag lisod gyud na bai ang gipangayo nila , di na man pod nimo pede sundon ang style nako na mangayo pod ug ka atbang sa mga gi post ni WEED hehehehe .... naa man na trademark and registered na .