CEBU into six provinces?

[emorej75]

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[quote=istoryador ]
Speaking of political dynasty what can you say about Pablo Garcia handpicking her daughter as his successor? Isnt a sort of political dynasty too? To those who dont support sugbuak, why impute ill intentions on Cong. Martinez, Kintanar and Yapha? Do you have any basis?

And what about Gov. Gwen, why she is opposing such move? Did you know her intentions of doing so?

My point is everyone has valid reasons on taking a stand on the issue. There is no monoploy of who's right and who's wrong. Correct mi sayop sila. Why you are so sure that you are correct?

And why allergic of division? Negros which is divided into two province has a vibrant economy. Davao which is divided into 4 (compostela valley is the newest one) is progressive. Not all division is negative. Sometimes its beneficial. Cebu City and its environs can focus on becoming Singapore while the rest of the provinces could develop their own. Northern Cebu will become a tourist hub with the resort island of Bantayan and Malapascua will be prominent. Cebu Occidental will become the industrial hub of the island while Cebu del Sur will be the agricultural bread basket as well as a tourism area.

So everybody happy.

Now you anti sugbuak people, can you give a STRONG, LOGICAL, RATIONAL, INTELLECTUAL, DISPASSIONATE, and MATURE reason why you oppose the division of Cebu?

SENTIMENTAL REASONS are not valid arguments on this matter. Asenso man kaha atong gusto. This is the chance for everyone to progress and move on.


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let me correct you... am not siding any of these crocs doing a tug-of-war. but since you want a strong, logical, rational, intellectual, dispassionate, mature and non-sentimental reasons; i'll give you one and which thus makes me now at the side of "AGAINST SUGBUAK". But before i'll make one, how about answering this question first: Count how many years all these legislators, who are lobbying sugbuak, have been serving their respective constituents on their whole political career and as being legislators? How much was the per capita income growth, from time the their political clan step into the ring of politics until now?(coz that's really the barometer of progress you are trying to question about)... where everyone from the countryside of cebu could say that I am better off now or few years ago than before... that they could say that they can enjoy life by doing a grand vacation to bahamas or to monaco or to vienna once a year... now tell me your answer to these questions and i'll give you the most rational and mature and non-sentimental views of why sugbuak is not proper at these times.... only after you have answered these questions....

[georgecebu]

pusang etoy murag naa nani sa supreme court dah...

[kolz]

Cebu must be preserved, not broken up
The Freeman 09/30/2006

In a world where borders are vanishing, the name of the game is consolidation. Companies are merging in order to survive in a highly competitive world. If you are small, you get shoved aside. This is true wherever you look, whether among individuals, companies, or even countries.

That is why it is consternating for anyone to suggest, against the grain of this global reality, that it is to the best interest of Cebu and the Cebuanos for the premier province as they have known it for more than four hundred years, to be broken up into four smaller pieces.

Who are Simeon Kintanar, Antonio Yapha and Clavel Martinez to destroy a heritage that is written both in the bedrock of this land and in the veins of all those who walked upon it through time and toiled with all their nerve and sinew to make it what it is today?

Mere motes that perchance teetered briefly on the eyelid of history, how dare these three supposedly honorable members of Congress to arrogate unto themselves the task of rewriting an entire people's very essence?

Kintanar, Yapha and Martinez may be kings in their own turfs, and for that they should thank Cebu and the Cebuanos for the opportunity to have had their fling with destiny. But Cebu is much more significant than the mere piece of political real estate they think they can carve up.

Rather than move for the disintegration of Cebu, Kintanar, Yapha and Martinez ought to move instead for a law that will permanently ban any future attempt to tamper with the integrity of Cebu as we and the world know it.

For in case they have missed it, Cebu occupies a most unique place in the history of our country and of the world. There is no account of the Philippines that does not include Cebu in it. It was Cebu that first placed the Philippines on the world map.

Other provinces, no doubt, have their own place and stake in Philippine history, some also grand and interesting. But none can eclipse the significance of Cebu in that history. To break up Cebu is, therefore, sacrilege. It is treason. It is a crime.

[istoryador]

Cebu must be preserved, not broken up
The Freeman 09/30/2006

In a world where borders are vanishing, the name of the game is consolidation. Companies are merging in order to survive in a highly competitive world. If you are small, you get shoved aside. This is true wherever you look, whether among individuals, companies, or even countries.

That is why it is consternating for anyone to suggest, against the grain of this global reality, that it is to the best interest of Cebu and the Cebuanos for the premier province as they have known it for more than four hundred years, to be broken up into four smaller pieces.

Who are Simeon Kintanar, Antonio Yapha and Clavel Martinez to destroy a heritage that is written both in the bedrock of this land and in the veins of all those who walked upon it through time and toiled with all their nerve and sinew to make it what it is today?

Mere motes that perchance teetered briefly on the eyelid of history, how dare these three supposedly honorable members of Congress to arrogate unto themselves the task of rewriting an entire people's very essence?

Kintanar, Yapha and Martinez may be kings in their own turfs, and for that they should thank Cebu and the Cebuanos for the opportunity to have had their fling with destiny. But Cebu is much more significant than the mere piece of political real estate they think they can carve up.

Rather than move for the disintegration of Cebu, Kintanar, Yapha and Martinez ought to move instead for a law that will permanently ban any future attempt to tamper with the integrity of Cebu as we and the world know it.

For in case they have missed it, Cebu occupies a most unique place in the history of our country and of the world. There is no account of the Philippines that does not include Cebu in it. It was Cebu that first placed the Philippines on the world map.

Other provinces, no doubt, have their own place and stake in Philippine history, some also grand and interesting. But none can eclipse the significance of Cebu in that history. To break up Cebu is, therefore, sacrilege. It is treason. It is a crime.

A classic emotional and irrelevant argument against Sugbuak.

Way hinungdan nga article. The truth is, anti Sugbuak have no valid argument to stop the march to progress of these forever chained to Cebu Province districts.

Please tell the writer, its no longer 1800's. His ideas are outmoded. Dili daw magbuwag because of history? I mean you sacrifice the welfare of the people of the three districts all because of form and not of substance? Kung mag sugbuak ma erase diay ang grand history sa Cebu?

Moundasng diay ang inyong pag ka Cebuano kung mag himo ug laing probinsya. Illogical kaayo nga mga rasun. Ingna lang gyud self interest pod ang gaiapas anang mag pugong sa Sugbuak kay imagine ka sa revenue nga mawala unya kung mag independent na ang ubang distrito. Look at PB Member Raul Bacaltos. Taga 1st district siya pero support siya sa Sugbuak. See even people who dont belong to the proposed provinces are supporting Sugbuak move. Mao ni mga tawo nga kalambuan ang panglantaw dili anang outmoded nga mentality. Pareha ra gud na sa pamilya, moingon ang anak "nay mag buwag buwag sa ta kay mangita ko ug trabaho, gusto ko moasenso nay." Moingon diay ang inahan "Ayaw anak kay madaut ato integridad, mag usa lang gyud ta bahalag saging basta labing." Luoy kaayo ang anak gisakripisyo ang mga damgo all because of this stupid unity and integrity thing nga dili makaon.

[istoryador]

Hay naku.....Opo, Singapore is one big island plus 62 other islets.... I guess I would have to explain that to you since you're obviously too poor to actually go there. For your information Cebu is not a continent. Please look at wikipedia for the definition of a continent.
Concrete basis my dear is the anecdotal evidence of maids and other trabahadores from the Negros/Davao province working in Cebuano households. Now they wouldn't just migrate to other provinces do they if thier home provinces are the "economically" progressive wouldn't they?

As the days pass by, your statements are becoming more incoherent. Are you too hungry, SNMP/Istoryador that you might hallucinating? "Cebu is being dominated by Imperial Cebu", "Let the other districts pursue thier goals and Cebu be another Singapore" My as*!

Then again I would understand where you are coming from, growing up in a poor province like Bohol am pretty sure you didn't get the sufficient nutrients to sustain you right? Hence your underdeveloped brain cells and low IQ. So next time you post here, better make sure it makes sense okay?

Btw, SNMP=Samahan ng Masa/Mangagawang Pilipino right? Ha? You're only agenda in supporting this move is because you're anti Arroyo...Anyway doesn't matter as if naman you can vote for the plebiscite.

People who have no valid often resort to name calling. Its a classic no brainer. Because if you really have sound arguments you dont waste your time discussing irrelevant statements.

You are trying to downgrade Davao and Negros as places where their people worked as atsays in Cebu. How about Cebuanos working as atsays and muchachos in Manila and Davao and Negros. Would that tell also the underdevelopment of your overhyped province.

YOU offend Boholanos with your statements. I tell you without Bohol, the tourism income of Central visayas would sharply drop. Bohol is the most visited tourist destination in the Visayas second only to Boracay.

YOu have three paragraphs of mindless chatter. I have yet to find any sensible point to even jumpstart a mature and respectable discussion.

[kolz]

A classic emotional and irrelevant argument against Sugbuak.

Any you think HISTORY and HERITAGE are irrelevant matter?

Way hinungdan nga article. The truth is, anti Sugbuak have no valid argument to stop the march to progress of these forever chained to Cebu Province districts.

You haven't presented a valid argument for progress yet. Present your own article, present your own case, show us your valid argument. In the end you're selling this idea to us, we make the decision. Don't force us to buy your idea, even if our reasons are personal, emotional and illogical, we have every right to exercise our votes, ayaw pamugos.

[istoryador]

Any you think HISTORY and HERITAGE are irrelevant matter?

You haven't presented a valid argument for progress yet. Present your own article, present your own case, show us your valid argument. In the end you're selling this idea to us, we make the decision. Don't force us to buy your idea, even if our reasons are personal, emotional and illogical, we have every right to exercise our votes, ayaw pamugos.

You just re echo my premise. I have already argued kamo na sad. Basta akoa division willbebeneficial to the new district because they can create their own revenues, make their own plans and delieve basic services smoothly because of a smaller area to govern.

Please pag present namo ug argument kung naa man gani. Ayaw nang emotional nga history and integrity. As what I have said, mawala diay ang history ug prestige sa Cebu kung mag buwag? Or ma erase diay ang history sa Cebu kung mag bulag. kung ma erase man how?

[kiwiboy]

YOU offend Boholanos with your statements. I tell you without Bohol, the tourism income of Central visayas would sharply drop. Bohol is the most visited tourist destination in the Visayas second only to Boracay.

Istoryador, nganung gusto man jud ka buakun ang sugbo??
Sugdi nalang ug buak ang Sugbu, dili man kaha ka gusto buakun ang Bohol...

[bruce_d_mighty]

wa nah au!!! NO TO SUGBU-AK!!!!

[kolz]

You just re echo my premise. I have already argued kamo na sad. Basta akoa division willbebeneficial to the new district because they can create their own revenues, make their own plans and delieve basic services smoothly because of a smaller area to govern.

As if we don't have so many divisions already? Regions->Congressional Districts->Cities/Municipalities->Barranggay->Sitios? New revenues, delivery of basic services - wow .. that's good approve kaayo ko ana! The sad part -> the congressmen/women who proposed this bill  and their own plans, and their smaller area to govern ... are you really sure these congressmen are doing it for development?  Or you are just blinded by the pretext of their promises that you fail to read the lines in the proposed Sugbuak bill?
 
The truth is, bisan kinsa ang gobernador, ma opposition man o dili, dili gyud kahatagan ug proyekto kun dili ka alyado. Mao ni karon kay dili naman sila ka kuha ug benipisyo gikan sa kapitolyo, kay wala naman silay mahimo, unya hapit naman mahuman ang ilang termino, mag himo na lang sila ug laing kapitolyo aron sila mag hari didto. Tan-awa ra gyud unsa ni ka hakog.

Mao ni ang naka-apan sa atong pulitika, baluarte baluarte, to each his own turf, but why does this have to translate into new land divisions for Cebu? This is clearly politics gone bad. Nindot kaayo paminawn no, development kuno, unya diay to .. ikaw ra maoy giton-to. I'd say don't fall into this trap. These congressmen are doing it not for economic reasons, but for their own selfish intentions!

Pareha ra gud na sa pamilya, moingon ang anak "nay mag buwag buwag sa ta kay mangita ko ug trabaho, gusto ko moasenso nay." Moingon diay ang inahan "Ayaw anak kay madaut ato integridad, mag usa lang gyud ta bahalag saging basta labing."  Luoy kaayo ang anak gisakripisyo ang mga damgo all because of this stupid unity and integrity thing nga dili makaon.

Magkatawa man sad ta ani oi! Nganong ang anak man? Kung ako ginikanan, ah kamaayo man kaha! Unya karon kung ang Cebu kunuhay managasawa, unya ang bana diay maoy makigbuwag? Kung ikaw ang asawa, dili madaot imong integredad biyaan kag bana?

Mao ni karon ang "bahala nag saging basta labing", kung managhi-usa lang ang kagamhanan sa Cebu, wadtangon ning political differences, kung labing lang ang tanan, dako kaayo tag ma-agi!

this stupid unity and integrity thing nga dili makaon

I don't want to start another debate, but what is fundamentally wrong with UNITY and INTEGRITY?