HHO/Hydrogen powered VW engine

[rodsky]

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I believe nga Hydrogen and Oxygen are combustible.

Wala man ko nag disagree ana. Everyone knows that H and O are combustible as SEPARATE elements BUT NOT combined as a water molecule. If anyone can show me proof that water can combust in its natural liquid state, and I will gladly agree to the idea nga pwede nga fuel ang water.

Simple reasoning.

An open fire. Bu-buan nimog gas/gasoline, modako ang kalayo--proof that you just poured a combustible fuel into it.

An open fire. Bu-buan nimog tubig. Unsay result? Patay ang kalayo--proof that water is NON-combustible and is NOT fuel.

And don't reason out nga "Pero the elements get separated and hydrogen and not water is being used man"...because if someone says that, then one just admitted nga it's a HYDROGEN powered vehicle (and NOT a water-powered vehicle), regardless of the source of the hydrogen (whether gikan sa tanke ng puno ug hydrogen, or electrolysis ba or unsa ba).

Again for the Nth time, WALA'Y WATER FUELED VEHICLE because WATER CANNOT BE A FUEL, BECAUSE IT IS NOT COMBUSTIBLE. Do not be stubborn.

-RODION

[jrred]

naay fission jud mahitabo ana rods. buk-on ang molecular structure sa water. make it H H O.
I believe nga Hydrogen and Oxygen are combustible.

It was during my college time nga naay gipresent sa DOST nga water-fueled vehicle. Wala lang jud ko makakita personally. then gipalit daw ang patent sa shell. wala na ko kasubay sa istorya.

Fission? are you sure? we are not talking about nuclear reaction(s), we are talking about combustion, layo ra kaayo ang fission sa topic. breaking the molecular structure of water to its constituent elements does not involve fission, normally electrolysis lang na.

[jalson_ent]

This technology is Hydrogen, HHO or Hydroge Fuel Cell type. This is NOT water powered.

-RODION

based sa imo gisulti Sir...HHO technology..HHO or H2O.. water technology. you cannot call it hydrogen powered vehicle since different ni siya.. hydrogen cars are cars that are being fueled by hydrogen w/out going thru any electrolysis.mao na nakalahi nila..Hydrogen vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Please check the link. Their are hydrogen powered vehicles and water powered vehicles..Honda made a hydrogen fueled car called FCX Clarity wherein they have to go to HYDROGEN FILLING STATIONS para magpatubil...dili WATER STATIONS. For reasons kay different technologise na sila. Most water powered vehicles comes from DIY's people or enthusiast mao na silang bob boyce, steven meyer ug uban pa. these people are not making fuel cells. you don't go to HYDROGEN FILLING STATIONS para magpatubil..mangita ra ka ug tubig. mao na water fueled cars. kung unsa ang imo ibutang sa tubilanan mao na ang tawag ana. example. vegetable oil powered car. used vegetable oil ang gamit para gasolina pero in fact, there is a process to convert that into bio-diesel. they don't call it biodeisel kay there are a lot of ways to get biodiesel. to simplify eveything. mao ni siya....kung unsa itubil..mao na ang tawag niya..if tubig imo ibutang, then water powered na siya. if hydrogen ang ibutang then hydrogen sad na siya. if kersonene ibutang then kerosene na siya and if vegetable oil ibutang then vegetable oil fueled na siya. I hope I made everything clear. Rodski, do not complicate everything. its all over the internet. WATER POWERED VEHICLES.

[jalson_ent]

Wala man ko nag disagree ana. Everyone knows that H and O are combustible as SEPARATE elements

-RODION

Are you sure O as in oxygen is combustible. Please give me a link saying that this is true Sir. Science forum mani ato so we need facts.. here is the link on why I disagree...Answers.com - Is oxygen combustible... ani na lng. Go to GOOGLE and type this. WATER POWERED VEHICLE.. kung wala ka makita then sakto ka..if naa daghan then please don't be stubborn to admit na sayop ka...one more link Sir...don't tell me nga mga bogo ning tao sa General motors..GM Announces Tap Water-Powered Vehicle..

[mariaClara]

khbaw mo atong

gi-himo sa GM?

or kaning sa Honda : YouTube - Top Gear - Honda Clarity (Runs on Hydrogen and exhausts H2o)

(im a big fan of top gear .. hehe)

hydrogen fueled car

[rodsky]

Are you sure O as in oxygen is combustible. Please give me a link saying that this is true Sir. Science forum mani ato so we need facts.. here is the link on why I disagree...Answers.com - Is oxygen combustible... ani na lng.

I think I have to clarify. When you say something is combustible, it doesn't necessarily imply that it's the fuel itself. It could act as a catalyst to further combustion (oxidizing agent). One good example is, liquid oxygen that is used to propel rockets:

(from Wikipedia)
"Liquid oxygen is a common liquid oxidizer propellant for spacecraft rocket applications, usually in combination with liquid hydrogen or kerosene. Liquid oxygen is useful in this role because it creates a high specific impulse. It was used in the very first rocket applications like the V2 missile (under the name A-Stoff and Sauerstoff) and Redstone, R-7 Semyorka, Atlas boosters, and the ascent stages of the Apollo Saturn rockets. Liquid oxygen was also used in some early ICBMs, although more modern ICBMs do not use liquid oxygen because its cryogenic properties and need for regular replenishment to replace boiloff make it harder to maintain and launch quickly. Many modern rockets use liquid oxygen, including the main engines on the Space Shuttle."

Go to GOOGLE and type this. WATER POWERED VEHICLE.. kung wala ka makita then sakto ka..if naa daghan then please don't be stubborn to admit na sayop ka...one more link Sir...don't tell me nga mga bogo ning tao sa General motors..GM Announces Tap Water-Powered Vehicle..

You seem to be the type of person who takes news articles (esp. their titles) at face value. While the article is indeed entitled "tap water powered", it never mentions that water itself is the fuel--the fuel is still hydrogen as a product of electrolysis. Another thing you have to take into consideration is, when the press creates an article, they have to make the title as catchy as possible, and a title that reads "GM Announces Electrolysis-based Hydrogen Powered Vehicle" will definitely get less clicks than "tap-water powered."

You see, what we're trying to filter out here, is all the hype that people are getting from reporting that they have found the "miracle" water engine, in fact, one Filipino in particular, who has made that embarrassing claim that he "invented" a water-powered car, which until this very day, still has no basis to be called a valid claim. You have to understand that, we're not trying to suppress or NOT welcome any alternate means of fuel for vehicles, whether it be green or more economical--we're simply trying to de-hype this topic, to weed out the valid claims from the outrageous, pseudoscientific based claims. In this light, you defensive stance about the issue is uncalled for.

-RODION

[kobmat]

I saw a H2O powered car just today.. Driven by no less than Big Foot.

I don't know why people keep falling for the electrolysis of water to produce hydrogen to fuel a car/vehicle. Its never possible. It is against the Laws of Thermodynamics. I don't know why this discussion is even on the Science Forum.. If asked which is more likely, H2O powered car or intelligent life other than us somewhere in the universe, i think the latter is more likely. In my opinion this thread should be closed.

[rodsky]

Agreed, I'm closing this thread and leaving you with these two articles to ponder about:

The Truth About Water-Powered Cars: Mechanic's Diary - Popular Mechanics

Water-fuelled car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's all about claims. There are, as yet, no valid and grounded basis for these claims. Period.

-RODION