Loose Change 2nd Edition - 9/11 Conspiracy Documentary

[dagget]

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[dagget]

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[Freeza]

A big OT sowi for the late reply i was busy googling for MILF's hardware for my thread on give in to milf or not thought it was an

modified SNIPY m16 MSSR nyah an m16 machine gun




[img width=500 height=375]http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5447/03aspwvsares16yk6.jpg[/img]

Now back to topic

@weedmeister..gawas anang walai debris bai ang ako na first ug notice kay naay guard rail sa park..tinuod gyud diay to ang analysis sa isa ka photography expert na ako gi post above..tsk tsk.

so at least agree na there is a an AIRcraft"debris" ok that a good start



https://www.istorya.net/forums/index.php?topic=98311.350 pls click this one you must compare this one to my reply so you can understand better you need it to compare the facts presented.the 757 hope mMR weed and Tolstoi will reconsider their theory

[img width=500 height=261]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1808/757infoox0.jpg[/img]



[img width=500 height=477]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/382/pentagon757mf4.jpg[/img]


Given the size of the 757, and the size of the Pentagon, the damaged area fits in peftectly with the dimensions of both the aircraft and the building.






The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building,wheels retracted its 13ft high if parked in the run way

The tail certainly isn't going to punch a hole through a reinforced concrete wall; that is why there is no 40 foot hole in the front of the Pentagon in any photos. A 40 foot object didn't hit it, a 13 foot object did.


Examining Ground Debris

Landing gear strut
[img width=500 height=374]http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4074/landinggear002xu8.jpg[/img]



2 obvious chunks of it in the photo. Another rim from the airplane on the right, and a large chunk of bulkhead on the left.




kani photo dugay na ni na post,
More parts from inside the 757 - note the Boeing green primer on 3 parts in this photo - two circled

[img width=500 height=375]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9206/yourownevidencefu3.jpg[/img]

look at some of the ground debris that appears to be related to an aircraft engine or AT LEAST part na sya sa gas turbine engine A.K.A jet engine

[img width=493 height=500]http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5166/planeparts1wh5.jpg[/img]


[img width=500 height=333]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2161/damage9zg7.jpg[/img]


large pillar being sprayed with fire retardant see my in my first post for photo





The hit lightpoles, and damaged vehicles in the flightpath TOSTOI ayAW SULTI FAKE MGA net.research photo sa presentation na ko cause i could also say and demolish easily yours sa imuha presentation heheheheeheheh

THIS ONE WILL DEMOLISH THE TOMAHAWK CRUISE MISSILE THEORY if it were a tomahawk or a similar weapon system if it hits the POLES it would already explode or cartwheel to different direction and explodes di ba! :mrgreen:

[img width=500 height=375]http://www.clarkairbasek9.com/pent12.jpg[/img]


[img width=500 height=325]http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/1.jpg[/img]

[img width=500 height=325]http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/1-1.jpg[/img]
[img width=500 height=325]http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/2.jpg[/img]

The debris field of small chunks of plane witnesses said debris "rained down for minutes after the crash

[img width=500 height=328]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/364/11sqz7.jpg[/img]

[img width=500 height=327]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/573/12stq3.jpg[/img]

kani famous ni sya wreckage with the markings
[img width=328 height=500]http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9810/13swg4.jpg[/img]

[img width=500 height=385]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2650/757americanlogodv1.jpg[/img]







[img width=500 height=375]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9907/web010911n6157f001sr1.jpg[/img]

Area of fence to the right of the impact,couple of the poles are bent right over, some are sheered off



[img width=500 height=391]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7418/generatorfence1ie5.jpg[/img]

The Gate Camera

though the image quality from the released surveillance camera is not good enough to form a factual opinion,
this one is good logical idea base on the fact the we real have a 757 debris ..etc




WEED THAT RED HOLE is the back blow out exit

the physics involved

please look at my first reply about the thread above for the computer simulation(purdue university)

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/projects/pentagon.shtml

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/proj...naPlugin.shtml

http://www.itap.purdue.edu/enablingthefuture/video/




before looking at this illustration for more insight

from the computer simulations, we can see, through a very competent and valid simulator, what happened in the attack on the Pentagon

[img width=500 height=378]http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/298/asceillus2xp3.gif[/img]

In layman's terms the crash dynamics worked like so: A large hollow tube, with a belly full of luggage, a passenger bay with 60 people, and wings full of fuel smashed into the side of an almost solid object while moving at a tremendous speed When the 225,000lb+ plane hit, it smashed apart with such force from the crash that it became like one massive column of liquid ,All the small parts, luggage, people, seats, and all the tens of thousands of pounds of fuel acting like a massive river came crashing into the wall of the Pentagon. This force burst through the outside wall and flowed through the inside to the next wall, and momentum carried this mass solid and gases until it finally ran out of inertia at the 3rd ring a blow out
9/07/01

9/12/01

the HUman FActor again hehehe please read some prominent people are on board that doomed flight and compared that to my first reply
https://www.istorya.net/forums/index.php?topic=98311.350 click :mrgreen:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ack%2Dusat.htm

http://www.moaa.org/Magazine/January2002/feature3.asp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/s...0486%2C00.html

http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/.../1201bauer.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/s...0486%2C00.html

LOOK HERE the fire them selves with good pics!!!!!!

http://www.nfpa.org/publicJournalDet...rc=NFPAJournal


Conclusion

There are a lot of aircraft debri no vaporization
local firefighters would not be involved in any sort of a coverup,firemen are just average Joes
who go home to the wife and kids, and just try to make a living.The men and women who pulled over a hundred people (dead and alive) out of that building would more likely to have noticed something unsual like a cover up!
The aircraft that hit pentgon had a lot of people,not counting the unfortunate people inside the building.
Many of the Conspiracy theorist in the net seems to have POLITICAL COLOR AND BASHING RANT and will surely contaminate their "scientific investigation"


Review the facts

Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)

Small turbine engine parts outside is an APU

Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos

Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo

Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211

Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes

Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner

Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon

60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage


You cannot dispute the facts, a 757 hit the Pentagon killing everyone onboard and many inside the building. It was a terrorist attack and the only fault with the government here is with their failure to prevent or stop it.



editing wait

[Juan Miguel]

Freeza,
Sorry to burst your bubble but your rebuttals are pretty lame that it insults the intelligence of the people of this forum. Try harder next time.

[Freeza]

Freeza,
Sorry to burst your bubble but your rebuttals are pretty lame that it insults the intelligence of the people of this forum. Try harder next time.

ohhh
hehhehe we have a fine discussion here infact the two masters may have to change their theory a bit as they ,no 1 have agreed that there is indeed an" heavier than air aircraft debris"scattered in pentagon and no more vaporization theory , though they are narrowing their conspiracy into a tomahawk missile strike or similar weapons system and indeed i point out that the poles bend, street light sheared off far away from the pentagon (see above illustration first) characteristic of an airplane crash if it were a missile it would have already explode after hitting the poles itself.But the discussion is far from finish ok.Infact in some point of their theory im open for possibilities and i respect there position as they respect mine.

AND AS FOR YOUR USELESS RANT

what could be more lame and insulting to other people's intelligence in the furom than opening your mouth without presenting any alledge facts in a healthy discussion it shows self-subnormality and imbecility .

As they say if got nothing to contribute go read your MAMA's book.

[tolstoi]

bai SPRING..care to explain what happened to these engines (both wings)..it surely didn't evaporated on impact ryt?

here's more....


Only one engine was found inside the Pentagon. The image below shows what appears to be part of the rotor element bearing the stubs of vanes. By comparison with the leg of the worker standing beside it, the part is evidently less than 0.61 metres (two feet) in diameter.



The engines used by the Boeing 757 include the Pratt and Whitney engine shown below (PW 2003), all having the same dimensions, being about 2.5 metres in diameter in the turbofan section and less than half this diameter at the high-pressure (rear) stage.


[img width=500 height=392]http://www.physics911.net/PW2000.jpg[/img]


look at the size of that thing ...and they say it DISINTEGRATED!..just like that

[tolstoi]

Now back to topic

so at least agree na there is a an AIRcraft"debris" ok that a good start

hmm..who said that we agree that there is an aircraft debris particularly from a Boeing 757?..although we believe that a drone might have hit it or perhaps a Tomahawk missile but definitely not from a Boeing 757

[tolstoi]

It can be adopted as a general, commonsense principle that if a large, wide and heavy object, moving at a speed of hundreds of kilometers an hour strikes but does not pass through a physical barrier, it must remain on the side of the barrier it struck. Although, large, heavy objects may be destroyed or damaged by such impacts, neither they nor their debris vanish after such an event.

We will concentrate on the wings of the Boeing 757, the dimensions of which can be deduced from the data displayed above. The span-length of each wing is 17.3 m (56' 7").

However, the wings of a 757 are swept back at an angle of 29 degrees, as made by the leading edge with a line at right angles to the roll axis of the aircraft. Applying the cosine function to determine the length as measured along the leading edge yields a figure of 19.8 m (64' 11").

The figure below shows our reconstruction of the (alleged) approaching aircraft in proximity to the building, with the 5-metre wide fuselage creating a hole that was 15.5 m wide. The discrepancy would be partly due to the 45-degree approach angle and partly to the strength of the wing-roots, which might well be expected to take out a column or two as the aircraft entered the building.

[img width=500 height=325]http://www.physics911.net/a-diagram.gif[/img]


As can be seen in the drawing, the engines could only have penetrated the building by being allowed to slip between support columns. This drawing was made before the authors viewed the ASCE engineering report, but it happens to match it rather closely. There would be no way, of course, for the wings to enter the building without taking out any support columns in their path. Structural integrity of the wings, as well as the lack of any holes on either side of the main initial entrance hole, preclude the wings from breaking into eight-foot fragments which then passed into the building individually. In any case, a majority of windows on the ground floor (not to mention all floors above them) remained unbroken after the crash.




http://www.physics911.net/missingwings.htm
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings.htm
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings.htm
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings.htm
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings.htm
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings.htm

[Freeza]

hmm..who said that we agree that there is an aircraft debris particularly from a Boeing 757?..although we believe that a drone might have hit it or perhaps a Tomahawk missile but definitely not from a Boeing 757

infact the two masters may have to change their theory a bit as they no 1 have agreed that there is indeed an" heavier than air aircraft debris"scattered in pentagon and no more vaporization theory

"no more vaporization theory and there is indeed an heavier than air aircraft vehicle debri"
that is what i mean "heavier than air" aircraft vehicles i was cautiously choosing my words , i did not mention boeing 757 as i thought your still not ready yet.

"heavier than air" cathegory could mean anything thing a tomahawk cruise wing missile, an aircraft drone and similar systems.

[tolstoi]

"no more vaporization theory and there is indeed an heavier than air aircraft vehicle debri"
that is what i mean "heavier than air" aircraft vehicles i was cautiously choosing my words , i did not mention boeing 757 as i thought your still not ready yet.

"heavier than air" cathegory could mean anything thing a tomahawk cruise wing missile, an aircraft drone and similar systems.

so what is your stand then?..was it a Boeing 757 aircraft that hit the Pentagon or was it a tomahawk cruise missile/drone?

if it was the former then would you believe on the DoDs analysis that the 757 Plane DISINTEGRATED/VAPORIZED on IMPACT??

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The official version is complex and contradicts itself, so read on carefully.

To justify the absence of Boeing debris, the authorities explained that the aircraft was pulverized when it impacted with such a highly reinforced building as the Pentagon.

To explain the disappearance of the aircraft's more resistant components, like the engines or brakes, we were told that the aircraft melted (with the exception of one landing light and its black boxes).

To justify the absence of 100 tons of melted metal, experts attempted to show that the fire exceeded 2500 °C, leading to the evaporation of parts of the aircraft (but not of the building itself or, clearly, of the landing light or black boxes).

To justify the presence of the hole, officials now state that it was caused by the nose of the aircraft, which, despite the rigors of the crash, continued careering through the three buildings.


The aircraft thus disintegrated on contact with the Pentagon, melted inside the building, evaporated at 2500° C and still penetrated two other buildings via a hole 2 ½ yards in diameter.

Questions need to be asked of Pentagon experts here. The official version has its own holes that need filling.

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...missile_en.htm