Time for a little controversy: CARBS KILL YOU

[reginakrys]

Hi,

gahuwat jud ko ug someone like you. if you dont mind, can you check this post?

Archevore - Archevore Diet

They promote a majority meat diet, no carbs, no sugar, no wheat, no grains, and no gluten diet. Animal fat is the source of energy.

no carbs? it says lagi in the post, "If you are trying to lose weight, really minimizing fructose and eating 50-70g a day of CHO as starch is recommended." ideal ra man kuno na nga amount for those trying to lose weight..

sources:
Answers.com - What is the daily recommended intake for carbohydrates
Recommended Carbohydrate Intake | Daily Carbohydrate Intake

about animal fats.. hmm.. i dunno.. animal fat is saturated fat, nya mao man ni supposedly makapataas sa LDL..

They also argue that a high cholesterol level is not the cause of cardiovascular diseases(but it's not in this post). Although practicioners of this diet, have high cholesterol and high HDL but low LDL.

Galisod pako kay high cholesterol ug high LDL and low HDL ako result hehe.

hmm.. about high cholesterol = heart disease, maybe what they meant was dli total cholesterol ang sole parameter for predicting cardiovascular risk.. there are 2 main types diba, LDL and HDL, and it doesn't always follow nga high total = high LDL.. high total but high HDL is a possible scenario.. i've read nga the cholesterol ratio is a better predictor of your cardiovascular risk (source: Cholesterol ratio: Is it important? - MayoClinic.com).. what i'm driving at is "dli ang total cholesterol muy predisposing factor, but ang cholesterol ratio."

i hope you got what i meant kay galisod sad kog explain.. wahaha.

[Metz]

no carbs? it says lagi in the post, "If you are trying to lose weight, really minimizing fructose and eating 50-70g a day of CHO as starch is recommended." ideal ra man kuno na nga amount for those trying to lose weight..

sources:
Answers.com - What is the daily recommended intake for carbohydrates
Recommended Carbohydrate Intake | Daily Carbohydrate Intake

about animal fats.. hmm.. i dunno.. animal fat is saturated fat, nya mao man ni supposedly makapataas sa LDL..



hmm.. about high cholesterol = heart disease, maybe what they meant was dli total cholesterol ang sole parameter for predicting cardiovascular risk.. there are 2 main types diba, LDL and HDL, and it doesn't always follow nga high total = high LDL.. high total but high HDL is a possible scenario.. i've read nga the cholesterol ratio is a better predictor of your cardiovascular risk (source: Cholesterol ratio: Is it important? - MayoClinic.com).. what i'm driving at is "dli ang total cholesterol muy predisposing factor, but ang cholesterol ratio."

i hope you got what i meant kay galisod sad kog explain.. wahaha.

yeah I forgot nga kani nga author dili kaayo siya against carbs.
minimal rice is fine with him.
Wheat jud iya gikontrahan.

As for the cholesterol wa pa kaayo kasabot but Ill continue reading about it.

[ViperRKO]

Why not PM everyone that what you believe is certainly right (only for you)?
i'm not gonna further argue until you do so. hahahaha

Thats ok. There are a lot of others who can.

[ViperRKO]

hala nuh? violent reactions gyud? dli pwd reaction lng? hahaha

Reaction lang. Ok ra.

[yiennahs]

Thats ok. There are a lot of others who can.

where's your reaction? i'm waiting

[ViperRKO]

true, our body can derive energy from proteins and fatty acids. BUT, carbohydrates man ang pinaka-efficient.. lahi man ang pathway pag breakdown sa 3 different macromolecules, but they converge at some point. like for example, fatty acids can be broken down into pyruvic acid which is a substrate sa krebs cycle = makaproduce gihapon ug ATP ang body. similarly, certain amino acids can be converted into different substrates gihapon sa krebs cycle..

now, why do i say mas efficient ang carbs? when you break down carbs, you need less oxygen than you would when you break down proteins or fats. (research about respiratory quotient for this). also, when you break down too much proteins, mutaas imong ammonia levels (byproduct of protein metabolism), which is toxic (may cause encephalopathy).. on the other hand, when you break down too much fats, mutaas imong ketone bodies (byproduct of fatty acid emtabolism), which can lead to ketoacidosis..



you have to be specific about the type of carbohydrates that can cause your insulin levels to shoot up.. simple carbs are the culprit here.. kay sayon ra man sila i-digest so dali ra sad mutaas ang blood glucose = your pancreas increases its insulin production.. pero kung complex carbs, dugay man ma-break down so they don't cause fluctuations sa insulin levels nimo..

really? no evidence of high cholesterol being bad? in my first year of medicine, i've learned that high LDL levels can predispose you to cardiovascular diseases..

Awesome! We gotta doctor in the house!

Its good u bring out the point that just certain carbs hurt you, and ur right, its all the carbs u get from starches, u know like d foods I enumerated in d 1st post of this thread. Carbs u get from fruits are not so harmful but only because its really hard to eat too much...fruits make u extremely full but dont have so much caloric impact.

And not to insult ur medical studies...but the studies done on fats & carbs were a bit corrupted and the result given out to the general public was very far from the truth, even the results given to doctors I can see. I'd put a link and sources on here but that would just kill the argument...lets see this go on for a bit more.

[ViperRKO]

By the way doc, I'm gonna respond 2 ur thing about protiens and fats next time coz right now I dont have so much time.

[yiennahs]

By the way doc, I'm gonna respond 2 ur thing about protiens and fats next time coz right now I dont have so much time.

by the way vips, if carbs can fill, so fats can't kill me? please elaborate further.

[reginakrys]

Awesome! We gotta doctor in the house!

Its good u bring out the point that just certain carbs hurt you, and ur right, its all the carbs u get from starches, u know like d foods I enumerated in d 1st post of this thread. Carbs u get from fruits are not so harmful but only because its really hard to eat too much...fruits make u extremely full but dont have so much caloric impact.

And not to insult ur medical studies...but the studies done on fats & carbs were a bit corrupted and the result given out to the general public was very far from the truth, even the results given to doctors I can see. I'd put a link and sources on here but that would just kill the argument...lets see this go on for a bit more.

i'm not a doctor.. i just finished first year medicine, that's about it.. so, no offense taken on my "medical studies".. and just a disclaimer, i'm not an expert in nutrition, i'm just bringing up what i learned in biochemistry..

[ViperRKO]

by the way vips, if carbs can fill, so fats can't kill me? please elaborate further.

Ur absolutely right. Fats cant kill you. We all know saturated fats are the evil fats right?...well some might also know that having too much of that in ur blood stream is whats bad for you. The liver is what converts food into saturated fat, I dont wanna get too technical coz I dont have my kodigo's with me. ...but its true, saturated fat is a bad thing and it does cause heart problems but here's the twist...its actually carbs that cause an increased production of saturated fat to go into your bloodstream while actually CONSUMING saturated fat lowered the presence of itself in the bloodstream.