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  1. #101

    Default Re: Biblical Fact: Who killed more people in the Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by khuahn88 View Post
    pero....daghan jud napatay si god siguro kaysa kang satan diha sa bible..? hehe, murag nilayo naman gud, straight to the point nalang ba.hehe
    Unsa lagi tawag nimu if naay tiguwang na kaayu namatay sa sakit like polmonya, GIPATAY sad na siya sa Ginoo?

    Kana Nitabok sa dalan nya naligsan namatay, GIPATAY sad na siya sa GINOO?

    Kadtu nangamatay sa trunami sa Japan, GIPANGPATAY sad to sila sa GINOO?

  2. #102

    Default Re: Biblical Fact: Who killed more people in the Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by malic_2 View Post
    so ok ra lagi kong namatay sila sa baha og obang katalagman basta di lang ang ginoo.
    SO ang pangutana is kinsa man Jud diay dunay authority sa Pagbawi sa hinulaman nga kinabuhi?

    Unsa diay kalahian sa mga namatay sa baha/katalagman compare sa gibuhat sa Ginoo sa Sodom ang Gomora?

    Naa diay Classification or lain lain term gamiton natu sa word nga kamatayun?

    If ang nahitabo sa Sodom and Gomora MURDER, unsa tawag if naay mamatay kay naligsan? HOMICIDE?
    Last edited by SioDenz; 04-07-2011 at 09:44 AM.

  3. #103

    Default Re: Biblical Fact: Who killed more people in the Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by khuahn88 View Post
    di man siguro murder tong mga babies, kay murag napasagdan ra ba, kato sigurong Sodom ug Gomorah maoy murder.
    Sabta lagi unsay pasabot sa word freedom sa bibliya nga gihatag niya sa tawo, sabta sad unsay mga conditions ana nga freedom.

    sa imung tubag murag wa jud ka nakabasa or nakasabot, sayunan ka anang rason nga napasagdan ra. nya mu conlcude dayun nga murder ang nahitabo sa Sodom.
    Last edited by SioDenz; 04-07-2011 at 09:45 AM.

  4. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    SO kinsa man Jud diay dunay authority sa Pagbawi sa hinulaman nga kinabuhi bro?

    Unsa diay kalahian sa mga namatay sa baha/katalagman compare sa gibuhat sa Ginoo sa Sodom ang Gomora?

    Naa diay Classification or lain lain term gamiton natu sa word nga kamatayun?

    If para nimu ang nahitabo sa Sodom and Gomora MURDER, unsa tawag nimu if naay mamatay kay naligsan? HOMICIDE?
    Bro lahi nang MURDER ug NATURAL DISASTER.

    MURDER = Gipatay nimo ang usa ka tao,hands-on na pag-patay sa usa ka tao.Naay dautan na motive,maong gipatay na siya na tao.

    NATURAL DISASTER = Si Mother nature bro,natural ra siya nature.Nature ang hinungdan,out of control na nimo.


    Katong sa Sodom and Gomora,hands-on to na pag-patay sa Ginoo ato.Brutal kaayo ang Ginoo bro! Naa bayay mga bata ato! Mga innocent,na apil man gani ang asawa ni Lot na ni linggi ra.

    Then, (not having found even 10 righteous people in the city) they command Lot to gather his family and leave, revealing that they were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. As they make their escape, the angels command Lot and his family not to look back under any circumstance. However, as Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed by Yahweh with fire and brimstone, Lot's wife looks back at the city in defiance of the angels' specific command, and she becomes a pillar of salt.
    Logic and Justice bro! Above ang Ginoo ana?

  5. #105

    Default Re: Biblical Fact: Who killed more people in the Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    What are some of the characteristics of god, say in genesis. I mean he does so many different things. But what are the most significant is Genesis? What type of god is he?

    The following is a quote from my Bible Encyclopedia.

    God may be described in terms of attributes. An attribute is an inherent characteristic of a person or being. While we cannot describe God in a comprehensive way, we can learn about Him by examining His attributes as revealed in the Bible. The first group is known as the natural attributes of God.

    God Is Spirit. Jesus taught that "God is Spirit" (John 4:24). God has no body, no physical or measurable form. Thus, God is invisible. He became visible in human form in the person of Jesus Christ, but His essence is invisible.

    God Is Changeless. Progress and change may characterize some of His works, but God Himself remains unchanged (Heb 1:12). He does not change; otherwise, He would not be perfect. Thus, what we know of God can be known with certainty. He is not different from one time to another.

    God Is All Powerful. God's power is unlimited. He can do anything that is not inconsistent with His nature, character, and purpose (Gen 17:1; 18:14). The only limitations on God's power are imposed by Himself (Gen 18:25). "Impossible" is not in God's vocabulary. God creates and sustains all things; yet He never grows weary (Isa 40:27-31).

    God Is All Knowing. God possesses all knowledge (Job 38:39; Rom 11:33-36). Because God is everywhere at one and the same time, He knows everything simultaneously. That God has the power to know the thoughts and motives of every heart is evident from many Scripture passages, notably Job 37:16; Ps 147:5, and Heb 3:13.

    God Is Everywhere. God is not confined to any part of the universe but is present in all His power at every point in space and every moment in time (Ps 139:7-12). Thus, God does not belong to any one nation or generation. He is the God of all the earth (Gen 18:25).

    God Is Eternal. Eternity refers to God's relation to time. Past, present, and future are known equally to Him (2 Peter 3:8; Rev 1:. Time is like a parade that man sees only a segment at a time. But God sees time in its entirety. The second group of attributes is called moral attributes. These refer to God's character, His essential nature.

    God Is Holy. The word holy comes from a root word that means "to separate." Thus, it refers to God as separated from or exalted above other things (Isa 6:1-3). Holiness refers to God's moral excellence. Being holy, God demands holiness in His own children. And what He demands, He supplies. Holiness is God's gift that we receive by faith through His Son, Jesus Christ (Eph 4:24).

    God Is Righteous. Righteousness as applied to God refers to His affirmation of what is right as opposed to what is wrong. The righteousness of God refers to His moral laws laid down to guide the conduct of humankind, as in the Ten Commandments. Righteousness also refers to God's administration of justice. He brings punishment upon the disobedient (Gen 18:25; Deut 32:4; Rom 2:6-16). Finally, God's righteousness is redemptive. In the Book of Romans the righteousness of God refers to God declaring the believer to be in a state of righteousness as though he had never been unrighteous (Rom 1:16-17; 3:24-26). This is possible because of the sacrificial death of Jesus on our behalf.

    God Is Love. Love is the essential, self-giving nature of God. God's love for man seeks to awaken a responsive love of man for God. Divine love runs like a golden thread through the entire Bible. Nature is eloquent with the skill, wisdom, and power of God. Only in the Bible, however, do we discover God giving Himself and all He possesses to His creatures, in order to win their response and to possess them for Himself. God loved and gave; He loved and sought-just as a shepherd seeks his sheep. God loved and suffered, providing His love by giving His all on the cross for the redemption of humanity. God, in His love, wills good for all His creatures (Gen 1:31; Ps 145:9; Mark 10:1.

    God Is Truth. All truth, whether natural, physical, or religious, is grounded in God. Thus, any seemingly inconsistent teaching between natural and physical sciences and God's revelation of Himself is more apparent than real. Truth is magnified in an absolute way through God's revelation.

    God Is Wisdom. God's wisdom is revealed in His doing the best thing, in the best way, at the best time for the best purpose. Some people have knowledge, but little wisdom, while the most wise at times have little knowledge. But God is "the only wise God" (1 Tim 1:17). In creation, history, human lives, redemption, and Christ, His divine wisdom is revealed. Man, lacking wisdom, can claim God's wisdom simply by asking (1 Kings 3:9; James 1:5).

    The believer's understanding of God continues to increase throughout his earthly pilgrimage. It will finally be complete in eternity when he stands in the presence of God.
    If I got the point of the TS correctly, then this explains it. What I understood his point is that the BIBLE is not believable to be true. What he quoted are contradictions to what's being claimed as attributes to the bible god.

    example: "god is love", he was and he is love. where does hate came from? so you tell that he made hate inorder to appreciate love? it's like saying that he made "wrong" inorder to know what is right? what's the point? so you say, don't question the wisdom of god? oh c'mon.

    another one: he is "all-knowing" - before anything happens, he already knows that it has to happen. so, how can there be bad or good when everything is according to his will. Well, if it's not, then why he let it to happen? Freedom? How can there be freedom when everything that has to happen, he already knew?

    another one, "god is righteous" - according to the bible, he is the alpha and the omega. he created everything. where does the concept of right and wrong came from? if he created everything to be right, then there would be nothing in the universe but "all right".

    Finally, I will say that when one scrutinize the bible to it's very core, take out all belief and fascinations at some moment and think deep and be rational. You will find out how the script has been manufactured.

  6. #106

    Default Re: Biblical Fact: Who killed more people in the Bible

    If it is a sin to question God,then why is it that we have a logical brain that always questions everything?

    If God wanted a people that always praise him,then he should have created a robot that just worship him all day.

  7. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantaleon View Post
    Bro lahi nang MURDER ug NATURAL DISASTER.

    MURDER = Gipatay nimo ang usa ka tao,hands-on na pag-patay sa usa ka tao.Naay dautan na motive,maong gipatay na siya na tao.

    NATURAL DISASTER = Si Mother nature bro,natural ra siya nature.Nature ang hinungdan,out of control na nimo.


    Katong sa Sodom and Gomora,hands-on to na pag-patay sa Ginoo ato.Brutal kaayo ang Ginoo bro! Naa bayay mga bata ato! Mga innocent,na apil man gani ang asawa ni Lot na ni linggi ra.



    Logic and Justice bro! Above ang Ginoo ana?
    I think your confuse with the concept of GOD, murag para nimu GOD=MAN which is wrong.

    Kinsa diay para nimu gahimu sa Mother Nature? ang tawo? kanang tsunami mother nature man nah, di man tawo gabuhat ana, meaning gi Murder sad sa Ginoo ang tawo ana?

    Gi unsa man nimu pagkahibalo nga naay dautan nga motive ang Ginoo sa pagpatay sa mga tawo sa SOdom?nganu naka ingun man tawn ka nga HANDS on tong gihimu sa Ginoo sa Sodom?

    Kanang imung definition sa Murder - applicable ang Ginoo ana?

    Pamalandungi kunu bro if unsay balaod ma apply sa Tawo unsa sa Ginoo para makasabot ka.

  8. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantaleon View Post
    If it is a sin to question God,then why is it that we have a logical brain that always questions everything?

    If God wanted a people that always praise him,then he should have created a robot that just worship him all day.
    Again, UNderstand First the concept of Freedom in the bible that God give to his people, it will answer your first question. The explanation about your so-called 'logical brain' is covered there.

    Where did you get that information that God only wanted people to ALWAYS PRAISE HIM? again, read first sentence...

  9. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantaleon View Post
    Bro lahi nang MURDER ug NATURAL DISASTER.

    MURDER = Gipatay nimo ang usa ka tao,hands-on na pag-patay sa usa ka tao.Naay dautan na motive,maong gipatay na siya na tao.

    NATURAL DISASTER = Si Mother nature bro,natural ra siya nature.Nature ang hinungdan,out of control na nimo.


    Katong sa Sodom and Gomora,hands-on to na pag-patay sa Ginoo ato.Brutal kaayo ang Ginoo bro! Naa bayay mga bata ato! Mga innocent,na apil man gani ang asawa ni Lot na ni linggi ra.



    Logic and Justice bro! Above ang Ginoo ana?

    Then, (not having found even 10 righteous people in the city) they command Lot to gather his family and leave, revealing that they were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. As they make their escape, the angels command Lot and his family not to look back under any circumstance. However, as Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed by Yahweh with fire and brimstone, Lot's wife looks back at the city in defiance of the angels' specific command, and she becomes a pillar of salt.
    nganong naka ingon man ka nga hands-on to pagpatay sa ginoo brad? physically nakita gyud diay ang kamot sa ginoo nanglabay ug fire and brimstone? kay sa murder gigamit man jud physically ang kamot sa tao sa pagpatay.

    kanang "Fire" mo agree ka nga natural na sa mother nature? sama sa flood or tsunami?

  10. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearish View Post
    If I got the point of the TS correctly, then this explains it. What I understood his point is that the BIBLE is not believable to be true. What he quoted are contradictions to what's being claimed as attributes to the bible god.

    example: "god is love", he was and he is love. where does hate came from? so you tell that he made hate inorder to appreciate love? it's like saying that he made "wrong" inorder to know what is right? what's the point? so you say, don't question the wisdom of god? oh c'mon.

    another one: he is "all-knowing" - before anything happens, he already knows that it has to happen. so, how can there be bad or good when everything is according to his will. Well, if it's not, then why he let it to happen? Freedom? How can there be freedom when everything that has to happen, he already knew?

    another one, "god is righteous" - according to the bible, he is the alpha and the omega. he created everything. where does the concept of right and wrong came from? if he created everything to be right, then there would be nothing in the universe but "all right".

    Finally, I will say that when one scrutinize the bible to it's very core, take out all belief and fascinations at some moment and think deep and be rational. You will find out how the script has been manufactured.
    Thumbs up!

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