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[Soul Doctor]

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the velocity reached when escaping earth's atmosphere multiplied by the weight of the module
mao na dapat i-counter sa thrust gikan sa module itself para mohinay. pero naa man lagi kuno method ila gigamit, kadto slingshot ba to. nga mohinay daw inig abot sa usa ka point. mura ug pama-agi sa projectile Doc.

pero impossibly kaayo sa technology sa una. bisan ang designer mismo sa rocket mao nay wala nitu-o. unsa pa kaha ko nga bisan missile dili man ko ka-design.

Hahaha, absent kapirmi sa physics bro?

dili ka ka projectile sa space kay walay gravity didto.

dili sad ka kapaandar bastabasta og counter thrust sa vacuum kay mo tailspin ka.
kung magpataka kag paandar og rocket nga walay resistance sa ubos motuyok ni ang module.
mamatay ning mga astronauts sa pagsinuka.

[Hammer_and_Sickle]

Hahaha, absent kapirmi sa physics bro?

dili ka ka projectile sa space kay walay gravity didto.

dili sad ka kapaandar bastabasta og counter thrust sa vacuum kay mo tailspin ka.
kung magpataka kag paandar og rocket nga walay resistance sa ubos motuyok ni ang module.
mamatay ning mga astronauts sa pagsinuka.

ana d-ay na doc?so, kaylangan ug advance kaau na technology para mo-deal ana na problema?nia unsa mn tawn tong technology nila?bisan dili ko sweto anang mga butanga mura'g ambot mn tan-awon

[rodsky]

by the way, the lunar module was not shot directly to the moon. ila pa gipatuyok sa moon para mohinay ang velocity. mao na ako nasabtan.

pero impossibly ghapon. mosamot kakusog ang velocity kay ma-drag pa man sa gravity sa moon.

nisamot sa impossibly.

That's coming from someone who actually admits very little knowledge on orbital mechanics.

-RODION

[rodsky]

dili ka ka projectile sa space kay walay gravity didto.

More physics nonsense. Ngano man you guys sound as if you know what you're talking about, when in fact, YOU DON'T!

This alone clearly shows you have NO understanding of how gravity works. Gravity is present everywhere, even in deep space.

Is There Gravity in Space? | Space.com

Astronauts and space tourists may rhapsodize about feeling weightless during spaceflight, but don't be fooled by the somewhat misleading term "zero-gravity." Every object in space still feels the gravitational pull from other objects, including space travelers who imagine themselves free of Earth's gravitational shackles.

Earth's gravity affects everything at or near the planet's surface. We feel the force of gravity on Earth through our mass, and that force also translates into a downward pull of 9.8 meters per second squared (32 ft/s^2).

That's why astronauts need powerful machines such as the space shuttle's main engines and twin boosters or the Russian Soyuz rockets to travel beyond Earth's immediate gravitational tug.

How to stay up

Gravity represents the mutual attraction between two objects, and the strength of that pull depends on both mass and the distance between the objects. Greater mass leads to a greater gravitational pull, as anyone who has fought to lose a few pounds knows firsthand.

By contrast, greater distance leads to rapidly diminishing gravitational pull. But where the space station roams, some 220 miles (354 km) up, the force of gravity is still about 90 percent what it is here on the surface. Earth's gravity is still pulling down on astronauts in orbit.

A spacecraft or space station can counter Earth's downward pull by creating enough horizontal speed so that it continually slides sideways as it simultaneously falls toward the planet, creating an orbit. For instance, the space shuttle typically travels at a blistering 17,000 to 18,000 mph around the Earth to stay aloft. That continuous free fall around the planet gives astronauts the impression of being weightless.

Huge objects with enormous mass can make their gravitational effects felt across much greater distances. The moon maintains a free-falling orbit around the Earth, and the Earth itself remains in orbit around the massive sun. Our sun contains over 99 percent of all mass in the solar system, which explains why its gravitational pull has managed to snag eight planets along with Pluto and a host of other objects.

Jupiter, the largest planet in our solar system, has also flexed its gravitational muscle across vast distances of space by pulling in space rocks and other debris which might otherwise threaten Earth. That has allowed Earth observers to also witness several spectacular impacts on the gas giant, such one that recently left a Jovian scar the size of the Pacific Ocean.

Even asteroids and other smaller space rocks exert weak gravitational pull. And on the flipside, some scientists have proposed using the mere mass of spacecraft to act as gravitational tractors that gently tug threatening space rocks out of Earth's path.

Einstein's weighty analogy

Albert Einstein proposed another way to think about gravity in space. Consider if the 3-D universe was a flat, 2-D sheet. Each object in space acts like a ball that weighs down on the space-time fabric and creates a bulging pocket similar to a shallow depression in the ground.

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tugjD0mUn6M/TPAToIMASRI/AAAAAAAAA1k/r2yd-cDxAqo*******imagesCAAB92R1.jpg[/img]

That curvature of space-time has an inward falling effect on the paths of other objects, and particularly on smaller passing objects. It's like having a sheet stretched between two people, and watching a marble roll down into the bulge created by a large ball sitting on the sheet. More massive objects such as black holes create bigger bulging pockets of space-time, while tiny objects such as a spacefaring human would barely represent a dent.

So gravity may be everywhere in space, but that won't stop astronauts or others from describing the wonderful feeling of weightlessness. Sometimes the illusion of human experience speaks volumes more than strict scientific fact.

Karon hinoon murag feeling nako useless ang usa ka Orbiter Simulator exercise because how can I demonstrate orbital mechanics properly nga weak diay kaayo inyong foundations sa Galilean/Newtonian physics?

-RODION

[Soul Doctor]

More physics nonsense. Ngano man you guys sound as if you know what you're talking about, when in fact, YOU DON'T!

This alone clearly shows you have NO understanding of how gravity works. Gravity is present everywhere, even in deep space.

Is There Gravity in Space? | Space.com

Astronauts and space tourists may rhapsodize about feeling weightless during spaceflight, but don't be fooled by the somewhat misleading term "zero-gravity." Every object in space still feels the gravitational pull from other objects, including space travelers who imagine themselves free of Earth's gravitational shackles.

Earth's gravity affects everything at or near the planet's surface. We feel the force of gravity on Earth through our mass, and that force also translates into a downward pull of 9.8 meters per second squared (32 ft/s^2).

That's why astronauts need powerful machines such as the space shuttle's main engines and twin boosters or the Russian Soyuz rockets to travel beyond Earth's immediate gravitational tug.

How to stay up

Gravity represents the mutual attraction between two objects, and the strength of that pull depends on both mass and the distance between the objects. Greater mass leads to a greater gravitational pull, as anyone who has fought to lose a few pounds knows firsthand.

By contrast, greater distance leads to rapidly diminishing gravitational pull. But where the space station roams, some 220 miles (354 km) up, the force of gravity is still about 90 percent what it is here on the surface. Earth's gravity is still pulling down on astronauts in orbit.

A spacecraft or space station can counter Earth's downward pull by creating enough horizontal speed so that it continually slides sideways as it simultaneously falls toward the planet, creating an orbit. For instance, the space shuttle typically travels at a blistering 17,000 to 18,000 mph around the Earth to stay aloft. That continuous free fall around the planet gives astronauts the impression of being weightless.

Huge objects with enormous mass can make their gravitational effects felt across much greater distances. The moon maintains a free-falling orbit around the Earth, and the Earth itself remains in orbit around the massive sun. Our sun contains over 99 percent of all mass in the solar system, which explains why its gravitational pull has managed to snag eight planets along with Pluto and a host of other objects.

Jupiter, the largest planet in our solar system, has also flexed its gravitational muscle across vast distances of space by pulling in space rocks and other debris which might otherwise threaten Earth. That has allowed Earth observers to also witness several spectacular impacts on the gas giant, such one that recently left a Jovian scar the size of the Pacific Ocean.

Even asteroids and other smaller space rocks exert weak gravitational pull. And on the flipside, some scientists have proposed using the mere mass of spacecraft to act as gravitational tractors that gently tug threatening space rocks out of Earth's path.

Einstein's weighty analogy

Albert Einstein proposed another way to think about gravity in space. Consider if the 3-D universe was a flat, 2-D sheet. Each object in space acts like a ball that weighs down on the space-time fabric and creates a bulging pocket similar to a shallow depression in the ground.

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tugjD0mUn6M/TPAToIMASRI/AAAAAAAAA1k/r2yd-cDxAqo*******imagesCAAB92R1.jpg[/img]

That curvature of space-time has an inward falling effect on the paths of other objects, and particularly on smaller passing objects. It's like having a sheet stretched between two people, and watching a marble roll down into the bulge created by a large ball sitting on the sheet. More massive objects such as black holes create bigger bulging pockets of space-time, while tiny objects such as a spacefaring human would barely represent a dent.

So gravity may be everywhere in space, but that won't stop astronauts or others from describing the wonderful feeling of weightlessness. Sometimes the illusion of human experience speaks volumes more than strict scientific fact.

Karon hinoon murag feeling nako useless ang usa ka Orbiter Simulator exercise because how can I demonstrate orbital mechanics properly nga weak diay kaayo inyong foundations sa Galilean/Newtonian physics?

-RODION

you are comparing planets, moon and sun to the lander module?

the heavenly bodies mentioned are big enough that they have their own gravititional pull,
that mutual gravitational pull keeps them in orbit.
don't tell me that the module has their own gravitational pull?

the constant horizontal speed you are talking about is only theoretical, in the real world, eventually you will run out of fuel and your speed will reduce to a stop.

einstein weight analogy is just a proposal.
there really is no way of testing it.

in fact no one knows when is gravity is pulling or when is it pushing.

take for example the orbit of mercury.
the orbital path is not round. it is more of a race track, why?
the sun is not oval.
so the einstein's theory of gravity and newtons theory of gravity is not applicable.
what makes mercury swing away from its normal expected theoretical orbit?

and if two objects were pulling each other, how come they never collide?

if two boys playing a tug of war each at the end of the rope.
if the two are pulling each other that would explain why the never collide.
but there is no rope.
so, how come they never collided?

[THE SKULLS]

That's coming from someone who actually admits very little knowledge on orbital mechanics.

-RODION

Yes, sakto jud ka Rods. Wala ko ka-abot sa cut-off na 1.3 na grado para ako scholarship anang Physics.

@ least, naa pa jud very little. You inspired me Rods.

OT

[rodsky]

you are comparing planets, moon and sun to the lander module?

the heavenly bodies mentioned are big enough that they have their own gravititional pull,
that mutual gravitational pull keeps them in orbit.
don't tell me that the module has their own gravitational pull?

the constant horizontal speed you are talking about is only theoretical, in the real world, eventually you will run out of fuel and your speed will reduce to a stop.

einstein weight analogy is just a proposal.
there really is no way of testing it.

Doc, what you're basically saying is that the science of orbital mechanics is NOT fact and only a theory! What a preposterous thing to say! If you imply that, EVERY KNOWN spacecraft, manned or unmanned that has ever been launched, must have been fake! Because the laws laid down by Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Einstein are all INTERCONNECTED--if you disprove ANY of that then ANY FORM spaceflight would not possible...but it is.

IT IS NOT theoretical--it is fact--because if it's theoretical, all the space probes that have been sent out would not have followed the rules of Newtonian Physics, but they did. So you are wrong again--it has been tested.

List of some probes sent on trajectories that would go outside the solar system:

1. Pioneer 10
2. Pioneer 11
3. Voyager 1
4. Voyager 2
5. New Horizons (currently enroute to Pluto and the Kuiper Belt)

So you're basically saying Doc, that all these probes are also fake. *shakes head*

Additionally, the Russians sent dozens of missions to the moon, 20 were done successfully:

Soviet Missions to the Moon

Sa ato pa, gi-fake pod sa mga Russians ning ilahang missions kay dili man kaha mag work ang imong "gravity-gravity" issue with these probes too! Ha

Remember, Newtonian Physics affects EVERYTHING in space, from a mote of dust, to the size of Supergiant stars--nothing is exempt.

-RODION

[THE SKULLS]

you are comparing planets, moon and sun to the lander module?

He must set an example. This could be one.

the heavenly bodies mentioned are big enough that they have their own gravititional pull,
that mutual gravitational pull keeps them in orbit.
don't tell me that the module has their own gravitational pull?

grabe ka kusgan jud ang module. naa nay gravitational field of it's own tingali.

the constant horizontal speed you are talking about is only theoretical, in the real world, eventually you will run out of fuel and your speed will reduce to a stop.

they have the procedures done Doc para mo compensate sa initial velocity driven to make the module slower. Grabe kadako ug fuel load tingali ang module. Then maayo kaayo mo-drive ug momaneho ang mga astronaut.

einstein weight analogy is just a proposal.
there really is no way of testing it.

aw, dili pa diay na accepted theory Doc? Abi nako ug ginagamit na jud na for practical applications.

ako gi-back read, ngita ko adto post ni rodsky about kadtong routing sa module towards the moon.

[THE SKULLS]

List of some probes sent on trajectories that would go outside the solar system:

1. Pioneer 10
2. Pioneer 11
3. Voyager 1
4. Voyager 2
5. New Horizons (currently enroute to Pluto and the Kuiper Belt)

So you're basically saying Doc, that all these probes are also fake. *shakes head*

-RODION

who said that these unmanned probes are faked? do you have that in your mind before saying this?

[rodsky]

who said that these unmanned probes are faked? do you have that in your mind before saying this?

It's called inference, a rule of logic. Even if one didn't say it, one would basically assume:

C = A + B

D = A + B

therefore C must equal to D

By that statement, one is basically saying that one believe that the probes weren't faked. Okay. But then, if the probes aren't faked, what makes you think the Lunar Module was faked?

Listen, the mass of the Russian ZOND probe (a modified Soyuz) is almost equal to the Lunar Module, and that probe was able to reach and orbit the moon...so Doc, if nag work ang ZOND, what's keeping the Lunar Module from working around the lunar orbit too? Tungod lang kay naay TAWO ang LM? Now people can see your bias between two spacecraft of nearly the SAME MASS, pero you feel dili tinuod ang isa tungod lang kay naay tawo sa sulod. *shakes head*

-RODION