My Personal View: Time as an Extended Dimension

[rippler]

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I agree sir rod, that blackholes aren't holes but supermassive objects within the nucleus of the blackhole, with gravity so massive not even light could escape its hold and so it should look like a dent, I've seen demonstrations of this on space documentaries. You are also right again to say that the word 'true' for Science is not even recommended, so I should reword it to 'accurate'. Thanks for the answer though.

[neshem]

How do you exactly define the "real" world? You cannot escape the fact that your concept of the "real" world is alas, still dictated by numbers--go ahead, look around you--it's all numbers. Thus, using some other yardstick to measure time other than "graphing paper" will make your measurement of time more "unreal" than you could have possibly foreseen.

As to Deja Vu, my own personal theories of what it is as a child has been confirmed by some findings in research:

-RODION

i dont know the exact word to be use to express well that view of mine
m pertaining real world as a view from daily lives.and yes its bound with numbers, science.
while m using "graphing paper" as expression na i dont have resources or even enough skill to define time relativistic. thats why i use (my view sa time dili sa "graphing paper" but sa real world.) its OT


according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, massive objects can create distortions in space and time. so near a blackhole this distortions become so strong that time may behave in an unexpected ways. i can grasp the space distortion as rodsky describe it as dent in our 3d universe, how about the time.. anyone can describe it clearly unsa mahitabo sa time? will it runs slow?why? will it freeze?

with the dejavu thingy..mao na jud na widely accepted theory/finding? the only question in my mind na gusto nko mahibal an kay why man atong bata pko active kaayo na mahitabo, karon kay wala naman.

[rodsky]

....become so strong that time may behave in an unexpected ways...

Please cite the source where you got this.

If you mean "Space-Time Distortion By Black Holes" such as mentioned in this article...

First Oberservation of Space-Time Distortion By Black Holes

Then do note the following things...

"The effect is incredibly small, about one part in a few trillion, which means that you have to look at something very massive, or build an instrument that is incredibly sensitive and put it in orbit."

And also...

(New signs of a space-time shift - Technology & science - Space - msnbc.com)
"Cui explained that travelers passing close to a black hole would feel as if “nothing happened.” But a distant observer would see the travelers being dragged around the black hole."

As to Deja Vu, there is not yet any "widely-accepted" conclusion--the stuff I posted are the closest psychological equivalents we have right now of the phenomenon. Since there is no proof coming in from the astrophysical or quantum side of things that explains Deja Vu, we have to come to the (current) conclusion that the origins are purely psychological, based on existing data.

-RODION

[neshem]

by the way pardon for trying to define time in terms of human philosophical consciousness. wrong thread ^^

thanks fritzd for sharing/answer, i agree the time needed for black holes to lose their mass takes very long time. but ask lang ko sa formula given, g factor na pod ba na it continues to devour materials around it, so its "growing" in mass. or ang computation kay sa black hole na wala nagkaon?

[neshem]

Please cite the source where you got this.

If you mean "Space-Time Distortion By Black Holes" such as mentioned in this article...

First Oberservation of Space-Time Distortion By Black Holes

Then do note the following things...

"The effect is incredibly small, about one part in a few trillion, which means that you have to look at something very massive, or build an instrument that is incredibly sensitive and put it in orbit."

And also...

(New signs of a space-time shift - Technology & science - Space - msnbc.com)
"Cui explained that travelers passing close to a black hole would feel as if “nothing happened.” But a distant observer would see the travelers being dragged around the black hole."

As to Deja Vu, there is not yet any "widely-accepted" conclusion--the stuff I posted are the closest psychological equivalents we have right now of the phenomenon. Since there is no proof coming in from the astrophysical or quantum side of things that explains Deja Vu, we have to come to the (current) conclusion that the origins are purely psychological, based on existing data.

-RODION

i need to view my history now asa to nko nabasahan. hehe later.

"The effect is incredibly small, about one part in a few trillion, which means that you have to look at something very massive, or build an instrument that is incredibly sensitive and put it in orbit."

unsa gina mean niya ang space og time or time alone? if both space and time distortion kay small, then sa mga graphics lagi g provide nila kay klaro ang dent.

"Cui explained that travelers passing close to a black hole would feel as if “nothing happened.” But a distant observer would see the travelers being dragged around the black hole."

yes this is the principle of relativity, but unsa diay mahitabo, example ang traveler kay na dragged na sa black hole makita sa distant observer na ma "stretch" ang traveler, mao pod ba na ma feel exactly sa traveler?

[rodsky]

unsa gina mean niya ang space og time or time alone? if both space and time distortion kay small, then sa mga graphics lagi g provide nila kay klaro ang dent.

I'm really glad you brought this up, kay I've been meaning to talk about this topic for a while, but to begin this topic, I want to ask you something...

...what's wrong with this picture?



and no, if you think it's the presence of Pluto, that's not it...there's something else wrong with this picture, which makes it difficult for someone like me to teach REAL astronomy to kids. And that wrong thing, is related to what you said about graphics.

-RODION

[neshem]

OT : paxncya if mawala wala ko usahay rodsky ha..naa ko sa duty. hehe

about the picture..is it the radiation of the sun? perception na mas "taas" ang glow sa radiation sa with respect to my position as a viewer..?

[rodsky]

OT : paxncya if mawala wala ko usahay rodsky ha..naa ko sa duty. hehe

about the picture..is it the radiation of the sun? perception na mas "taas" ang glow sa radiation sa with respect to my position as a viewer..?

Nope. The answer is very simple, yet this "crime" has been committed for over 50 years by book and encyclopaedia publishers, and now, even internet websites.

What's wrong then?

Kids think this is how the solar system looks like. WRONG. If this is how the solar system looks like, then you won't need a telescope to see all the planets in the solar system. The only reason why this is the way the solar system has been drawn in textbooks, schoolbooks and encyclopaedias is simple--you cannot draw a proportional solar system on a piece of paper, or on the page of a book, because you'd need an electron microscope to see the planets.

You cannot draw the solar system on a piece of paper...the planets are too small and too far apart. But people in general do not know or grasp this...because they have seen these graphics and pictures from textbooks and books since they were children, and this they assume this is how the solar system looks like.

Refer to my discussion on a solar system the size of downtown Cebu City, on how big the earth is, and how far it is away from the sun, if the sun was only a meter in diameter, and placed at the Cebu Capitol flagpole. The earth will be marble-sized and it will be somewhere near UNO or Jollibee at Boulevard.

https://www.istorya.net/forums/scienc...t=proportional



Same with many science diagrams, pictures and graphics...since dili man siya pansinon if dili exaggerated ang drawing, the artists are instructed to exaggerate it...for me this is bad practice because sometimes we grow up thinking that ing-ani dyud ang makit-an, due to what we saw in books etc.

-RODION

[neshem]

ahh ok..its the proportion. thanks for that..

rodsky heres where i read the "strong"

HubbleSite: Black Holes: Gravity's Relentless Pull interactive
wala mi direct sa page.. click, up close, question and expirement, under expirement drop a clock into a black hole.

and timing sa imo g explain about the wrong model of our solar system..can be seen/feel in this voyage.

HubbleSite: Black Holes: Gravity's Relentless Pull interactive

click "the voyage" and select destination..

[rippler]

Excellent links neshem! I would like to share too this video I was referring to earlier: The Super String Theory and M Theory