THE POPE underfire!!!

[dacs]

Now, if a muslim imam had said "Show me just what JESUS brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached", I'm sure you would get your panties all ruffled up over it, without even acknowledging the fact that the Vatican has done just that, spread the faith by the sword... How do you think it reached your shores...?

How did it reach the shores of the Philippines? Was the sword used at the first instant it reached the shores of the Philippines?

[tackielarla]

How did it reach the shores of the Philippines? Was the sword used at the first instant it reached the shores of the Philippines?

Point is, Jesus NEVER said anything to preach Christianity by the sword. And that's a fact. Mohammed DID preach to spread Islam by the sword. Check the Bible and the Q'ran and you will see the differences...

[dacs]

Desert Father: Watch your posts. You are in violation of RULE#1. The rule that stresses unity regardless of religion and race.
Are you mocking Baptists? Let me tell you, I AM BAPTIST. DO NOT EVER SAY"Those are your Bible quoting American Baptist friends!" because not all Americans are. And mind you, WE DO NOT QUOTE THE BIBLE. WE LIVE BY IT.

So stop your black propaganda against Muslims because they are our brothers as well! If you can't stand the itch of posting against ISLAM and the Muslims, then DO NOT DO IT HERE.

To the people active in this thread, be reminded that I am keeping things as civil as possible.

Just an observation.

Why is it that, when something Catholic (i.e., pope, views) is attacked, you are silent? Does the rule really apply to every post or poster?

[dacs]

Point is, Jesus NEVER said anything to preach Christianity by the sword. And that's a fact. Mohammed DID preach to spread Islam by the sword. Check the Bible and the Q'ran and you will see the differences...

Hey!

I am asking for proof. Let the proof be provided. Let it be that I may be provided a proof I could verify. This forum insisted on every poster providing links whenever necessary. I believe this is necessary.

Proof, please.

[Freeza]

you cant see any hatred here but reaching out and understanding

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe...lam/index.html

[Freeza]

i wonder what would happen if the POPE is radicalize like their radical clerics and ayatolahs who preach hatred and violence

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060922/...ian_executions

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215117,00.html

[GlassMoon]

Just an observation.

Why is it that, when something Catholic (i.e., pope, views) is attacked, you are silent? Does the rule really apply to every post or poster?

Isn't it your duty to protect your faith? I was just doing my part. My silence DOES NOT mean I am not moderating and being a moderator does not make me the protector of the Christian faith in this forum. And yes, ALL rules do apply to every post, member and moderator alike. It is up to you if you want to report any issue to the right people or not (it would be greatly appreciated if you'd do the former). It also just so happens that we can't moderate each and every post that members make and every thread there is on the day.

Regarding the thread, I have read the speech the Pope made and that certain statement did not, in any way, insult Islam. Every intelligent person listening to or reading the speech, no matter what his faith is, knows that that was a quoted statement. The Pope didn't have to apologize nor does he need to explain things. But him being a great church leader, made himself humble, apologized for a statement that was not intended to do harm, and for that I salute him.

[weedmeister2]

How did it reach the shores of the Philippines? Was the sword used at the first instant it reached the shores of the Philippines?

The cross was used AT THE FIRST INSTANCE, but resistance to worshipping the cross LED TO THE SWORD being used...

Read up on your history books, this is the reason why MAGELLAN was killed by LAPULAPU, because magellan was forcing the natives to succumb to christianity. LAPULAPU resisted, so magellan wanted to show him who was boss, but magellan ended up being killed...

As the Italian navigator Antonio Pigafetta (who acompanied magellan and made a detailed journal of their trip) wrote:

"After dinner they all returned wearing their actons, and with the two kings they went to the middle of the summit of the highest mountain on the island, and set up the CROSS. And the Captain told them that they were true friends to them, because the CROSS was there, and that they could greatly rejoice therefore. And he asked them which was the best port for revictualing. They replied that there were three of them. Ceylon (Leyte), Zubu (Cebu), and Calaghan (the district of Caraca on Mindanao), but that Zubu was the largest and had the most trade. And they offered to give them pilots who would show them the correct route. The Captain General thanked them, and decided to go there, as his unhappy fate would have it. When the CROSS was set up everyone said a Pater Noster. And an Ave Maria, and they worshipped it. And the kings did likewise. Afterwards they went down into the cultivated fields" (Diary of Pigafetta, p. 46)


Lapulapu refused to worship the cross, hence the battle of mactan...


After this, the Spaniards focused on Luzon, as Mindanao was hard to colonize due to the Muslims, but the Visayas also scared them because of the PINTADOS who were fierce warriors and had tattoos all over their bodies...


I think this clearly proves that Christanity in the Philippines was enforced with the sword, as in many other examples around the world... It may not have been a mandate in the bible, but it was mandated by the VATICAN...

[istoryador]

The cross was used AT THE FIRST INSTANCE, but resistance to worshipping the cross LED TO THE SWORD being used...

Read up on your history books, this is the reason why MAGELLAN was killed by LAPULAPU, because magellan was forcing the natives to succumb to christianity. LAPULAPU resisted, so magellan wanted to show him who was boss, but magellan ended up being killed...

As the Italian navigator Antonio Pigafetta (who acompanied magellan and made a detailed journal of their trip) wrote:

"After dinner they all returned wearing their actons, and with the two kings they went to the middle of the summit of the highest mountain on the island, and set up the CROSS. And the Captain told them that they were true friends to them, because the CROSS was there, and that they could greatly rejoice therefore. And he asked them which was the best port for revictualing. They replied that there were three of them. Ceylon (Leyte), Zubu (Cebu), and Calaghan (the district of Caraca on Mindanao), but that Zubu was the largest and had the most trade. And they offered to give them pilots who would show them the correct route. The Captain General thanked them, and decided to go there, as his unhappy fate would have it. When the CROSS was set up everyone said a Pater Noster. And an Ave Maria, and they worshipped it. And the kings did likewise. Afterwards they went down into the cultivated fields" (Diary of Pigafetta, p. 46)


Lapulapu refused to worship the cross, hence the battle of mactan...


After this, the Spaniards focused on Luzon, as Mindanao was hard to colonize due to the Muslims, but the Visayas also scared them because of the PINTADOS who were fierce warriors and had tattoos all over their bodies...


I think this clearly proves that Christanity in the Philippines was enforced with the sword, as in many other examples around the world... It may not have been a mandate in the bible, but it was mandated by the VATICAN...

You misunderstood history. Its true that when the Spaniards came they brought along missionaries. Its just sad that the conversion took place at the same time when Spanish soldiers are trying to impose their authority on the natives.

Queen Isabella of Spain is quite a devout Catholic and her faith move her to do something to bring Christ to this part of the world.

Now you should distinguish was the way Catholicism was spread by the Philippines sanctioned by the Pope or is it sanction by the Spanish crown.

YOur crude attempt to connect the Pope with the atrocities of the Spaniards is a , PURE SPECULATION, MALICIOUS MISINFORMATION, and a GROSS DECEPTION!

Islam itself sanctioned the use of the sword to spread the faith but for Catholicism it is not the case. The Vatican did not in any way sanctioned the use of force to compel people to embrace Christianity. Give me an encyclical that authorizes that method of conversion and I will immediately renounce my being Catholic.

[Juan Miguel]

Again, what can we expect from somebody who stood at attention and saluted "Heil Hitler" in his youth. :mrgreen:

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