MERGED: The Arab Spring

[Romeojin]

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you need to make research little sis before claiming such...

"The Libyan economy depends primarily upon revenues from the oil sector, which constitute practically all export earnings and about one-quarter of gross domestic product (GDP). The discovery of the oil and natural gas reserves in the country in 1959 led to the transformation of Libya's economy from a poor country to (then) Africa's richest. The World Bank defines Libya as an 'Upper Middle Income Economy', along with only seven other African countries.[162] In the early 1980s, Libya was one of the wealthiest countries in the world; its GDP per capita was higher than that of developed countries such as Italy, Singapore, South Korea, Spain and New Zealand."

so funny ang imong research... 1980's pa man diay imong data

2010 GDP per capita in $

Singapore 42,653Italy 33,828New Zealand 31,588
Spain 29,875
Korea, South 20,165
Libya 12,062

basin imong theory 1980s gihapon UK and France are much interested in Libya

[noy.juan]

you need to make research little sis before claiming such...

"The Libyan economy depends primarily upon revenues from the oil sector, which constitute practically all export earnings and about one-quarter of gross domestic product (GDP). The discovery of the oil and natural gas reserves in the country in 1959 led to the transformation of Libya's economy from a poor country to (then) Africa's richest. The World Bank defines Libya as an 'Upper Middle Income Economy', along with only seven other African countries.[162] In the early 1980s, Libya was one of the wealthiest countries in the world; its GDP per capita was higher than that of developed countries such as Italy, Singapore, South Korea, Spain and New Zealand."

wikipedia?, geez... find something better... you need sukang pinakurat if you use wikipedia as reference... personal experience while working on wikipedia NOT GOOD...

this forum should have What-If-Fantasy section, under humor section...

[reptoid]

Libya has recovered agressively since the time of Gadaffi's regime. although he acted like a dictator in his current term but he was the one that ended the king's and prince's type of government. Libya is even richer than Singapore by almost twice its GDP.

The Middle-East is a large area comprising several nations which has rarely seen peace from the time of the crusades to the discovery of oil. Throw tribalism, a myriad different versions of Islam and extreme inequality into the mix and what you end up with is one big perpetual crisis.

You are of course referring to Libya where there is currently a grass-roots call for democracy which is sweeping the entire region. The main reason for the West being involved is that they are trying to stop Gadhafi (who has pretty much confirmed suspicions about mental-health issues) from massacring most of his citizens in order to stay at the top. The Arabs should be sorting this out themselves, but truth be known most of the Arab Nations are ruled by monsters, they're just a bit more subtle than Gadhafi.

[nightzlayer]

The United States Monday sent mixed messages about its objectives in Libya, as President Barack Obama said Moamer Kadhafi must go, but vowed US forces would stick to a narrower UN mandate.

"Our military action is in support of an international mandate from the Security Council that specifically focuses on the humanitarian threat posed by Colonel Kadhafi to his people," Obama told a press conference in Chile.

The missile and air strikes launched at the weekend were "in support of UN Security Resolution 1973, that specifically talks about humanitarian efforts, and we are going to make sure that we stick to that mandate."

But Obama stressed it was "US policy that Kadhafi needs to go" accusing the veteran leader who has ruled the north African country for more than four decades of murdering civilians as he tries to quell an opposition uprising.

The US administration has come under pressure for not spelling out its war aims in Libya, even though Obama -- the nation's commander-in-chief -- has insisted there will be no US boots on the ground.

Observers have fretted that the end-game has not been clearly defined and the US military -- stretched by the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan -- does not have the capacity to take on another potentially drawn-out war.

There has also been growing international criticism about the strikes launched by US, British and French forces on Libyan air defense systems as they seek to give the rebels cover and impose a no-fly zone on Kadhafi's forces.

But Obama told lawmakers in a letter: "United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster."

And the top US military officer, Admiral Mike Mullen, said in a message on the social network Twitter, the objective of the mission in Libya "remains limited; prevent Kadhafi's ability to harm his own people and enforce a no-fly zone."

UN Security Council resolution 1973 -- the fruit of intense diplomacy to avoid Russian and Chinese vetoes while winning Arab support -- allows for "all necessary means" to support the limited aim of protecting civilians.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Libya would be "better off" without Kadhafi in charge, although he added "that is a matter for the Libyans themselves to decide."

"And I think, given the opportunity and the absence of repression, they may well do that," he told the Russian news agency Interfax at the start of a two-day trip to Russia.

"But I think it is a mistake for us to set that as a goal of our military operation," he said, according to a transcript.

The United States is leading the military operations in Libya involving a wide coalition of partners, including the French and the British, but says it is eager to hand over command as soon as possible.

This could happen within days rather than weeks, Obama said Monday, adding he believed NATO would play a role in coordinating the next phase of action, even as the alliance struggles to overcome divisions.

"How quickly this transfer takes place will be determined by the recommendations of our commanding officers that the mission has been completed -- the first phase of the mission has been completed," he said.

"Our initial focus is taking out Libyan air defenses so that a no-fly zone can operate effectively and aircraft and pilots of the coalition are not threatened when they're maintaining the no-fly zone," Obama said.

"The second aspect of this is making sure that the humanitarian aspects of the mission can be met."

Obama also assured top US lawmakers that the military strikes on Kadhafi's "lawless" regime were in the US national interest, amid some criticism that the United States was moving outside of its purview.

"Left unaddressed, the growing instability in Libya could ignite wider instability in the Middle East, with dangerous consequences to the national security interests of the United States," Obama said in a letter to Republican House Speaker John Boehner and Senate President Pro Tempore Daniel Inouye.

He vowed the US strikes on Libyan air defenses and military airfields "will be limited in their nature, duration, and scope."

But the administration left no doubt about the final goal, even if the methods for achieving it remain as yet undefined.

"We're trying to convince Colonel Kadhafi and his regime, and his associates, that they need to step down from power," said State Department spokesman Mark Toner. "That remains our ultimate goal here."

[raphz]

wikipedia?, geez... find something better... you need sukang pinakurat if you use wikipedia as reference... personal experience while working on wikipedia NOT GOOD...

this forum should have What-If-Fantasy section, under humor section...

GDP per capita for singapore is way much more than libya. i have seen a site that is confusing and misleading but only 1 site so far as per my research. but for my research from CIA (central intelligence agency) which i considered it the most reliable source and induxmundi.com and other sites that have consistent results.

CIA results

Libya:
2010 GDP per capita = $13,800 (2010 est.)
GDP purchasing power parity = $89.03 billion (2010 est.)

Singapore:
2010 GDP per capita = $57,200 (2010 est.)
GDP purchasing power parity = $292.4 billion (2010 est.)

Libya was richer than singapore during the 1980's but currently the result above shows the difference.
I do think we are to do research on reliable sources and with the most consistent results.
btw, the wikipedia site has more or less same results with other reliable sources. =)

[Visual C#]

Gareb, I think that's what people look for in a government, isn't it? If it is stable politically and economically, regardless of what their people think, the country can be described as 'stable'. Usually, if the people are not feeling well, if they are oppressed, if the wealth is unequally distributed, or if general economic conditions are unstable, then the country is unstable as a whole.


As to whether these stable countries can serve as a 'model' for other countries, now that remains to be debatable. Each country has a specific history, demography, and geography that makes it impossible, for example, to simply 'follow the Singapore model here in the Philippines'. The same thing goes for Arab countries, too.

On a related note, here is some excellent analysis from Stratfor about the recent Arab revolutions, and what they truly mean:

Libya, the West and the Narrative of Democracy | STRATFOR

[cebu_doki]

a fruit vendor guy from a little town of tunisia started the arab street revolution from cnn see link :

The Tunisian fruit seller who kickstarted Arab uprising - CNN.com

[godwhacker]

a fruit vendor guy from a little town of tunisia started the arab street revolution from cnn see link :

The Tunisian fruit seller who kickstarted Arab uprising - CNN.com

he's actually got a degree - few people may not be aware. This is what my arab friend told me. He resorted to peddle stuffs on the streets because he can't find a job. Even so, he was still put at a disadvantaged adding more to his own misery that prompted him to end his life. The rest is history and what happened next is what is the current phenomenon -uprising, copy and paste style.

[godwhacker]

nop,
read news more detail and more unbiased and backtrack a few months (maybe start with the egypt uprising first) then you will understand...

Partly right and partly wrong. It didn't start with Egypt. It started with Tunisia (ancient history = cartage). Then Egypt, copy and paste. Then other Arab countries started heating up- Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Yemen, Sultanate of Oman and Libya in the background which later went on foreground, again- copy and paste. And all of them seems to have a positive effect on the local people. This was not started by the US but as of now the US is merely "riding" on the current sentiment. Where the oil is, America will intervene. Wa gani oil, hands off ang America.

1. Bahrain, sa daghan pa ug oil maingon nato nga manghilabot ang tate labi na kay naa diha ang ilang navy naka station. Karon wa na kaayo'y oil ang Bahrain, di na kaayo mo apil apil ang America.

2. Libya, daghan ang oil sa Libya, ug makuha nila ang Libya by kicking out their pain in the ass, Khadaffy, it will be an unexpected prize in addition to Iraq. Even France was participating in the strikes together with US and its partner during the Iraq war -the UK, because it learned a very painful lesson on that experience which until to this day they realized they should have done.

3. During the Iraq war, France did not take active participation because they have the bigger stakes in their oil business relationships with the Iraqi government and they wanted to keep it intact. Pagka pilde sa Iraq ug nawa si Sadam, it was America and Great Britain sharing the spoils of the war -particularly OIL. France was sidelined.

4. Karon gubat sa LIbya and sakay sakay nalang ang France para tulo sila magbahin unya sa spoils ug makuha nila ang LIbya. this is everybody's knowledge in the Arab land bisan pa man naa karon ang ilang uprising. Ask an ordinary arab man and he will tell you that where the oil is, America will go there to fight and get it.

5. Now they have talked about the so called chemical weapons of Libya, gubat sa Iraq ang pasangil weapons of mass destruction but it was a fluke. walay weapons of mass destruction because the ultimate goal of course was -OIL.

[noy.juan]

GDP per capita for singapore is way much more than libya. i have seen a site that is confusing and misleading but only 1 site so far as per my research. but for my research from CIA (central intelligence agency) which i considered it the most reliable source and induxmundi.com and other sites that have consistent results.

CIA results

Libya:
2010 GDP per capita = $13,800 (2010 est.)
GDP purchasing power parity = $89.03 billion (2010 est.)

Singapore:
2010 GDP per capita = $57,200 (2010 est.)
GDP purchasing power parity = $292.4 billion (2010 est.)

Libya was richer than singapore during the 1980's but currently the result above shows the difference.
I do think we are to do research on reliable sources and with the most consistent results.
btw, the wikipedia site has more or less same results with other reliable sources. =)

dude, you obviously dont know how wikipedia works, i do, ive been dealing with them on regular basis.... well thats you!!!

we always have a saying... take wikipedia with sukang-pinakurat...