conspiracy theories

[pinoy_09]

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kani lang sa nga link:

YouTube - 9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt. 1

BE SURE TO WATCH ALL PARTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF WHO'S SPREADING THE LIES

[Soul Doctor]

obvious ko wa kasabot pancaking? better check unsay pancaking doc before ka moingon ana.

sa video na imo g provide, if ur a keen observant kita ka sa demolition ang abog gkan sa debris tungod sa explosive dungan og gawas sa mga kilid? then observe ang collapse sa tower doc..u can see gkan sa point sa impact sa plane nigawas ang abog hangtod paubos..

squib og pancaking kay lahi man doc. ^^ i check gani ang duha.

did u know nga before pa mi collapse nakakita na ang mga uban tao sa 1st floor og mga fire man og nihagsa na elevator og mibuto? asa man hollow na part sa building? staircase og elevator..pero xmpre mas paspas ang jet fuel makanaog paubos sa space sa agianan sa elevator.

sa demolition, kinhanglan nimo dunganon or almost dungan paboto.. while sa imo video gipakita, paisa isa na puff sa dust sa point pa gyud na duol na na collapse..ring a bell?

samot na ka nga wala kasabot unsay squibs ug unsay purpose sa squibs.

dapat ang squibs mag-una, dili modungan.
kay mao nay purpose niya.
para mo give way sa controlled collapse sa structure.

tan-aw na lang gud sa video.
naa didto giexplain unsa ang pancaking.
wala man gud ka motan-aw.

[neshem]

hahaha,
that is your proof?

kung pancaking pa to. ang walls ray mawala ug
makita nimo ang layers sa floor nga magpile-up, floor by floor.

u think naay mihagsa nga jumbo plane nasulod sa tunga sa building, ang wall ray mawala?mabilin ang tunga sa building? di kaha mahugno og una ang sulod sa building doc?

anyway tulog sko kay work pa taud2..

[neshem]

hahaha, engineer ka bay?
chemical engineer ko bay.

adto jud moagi ang fuel sa agianan sa elevator?

1.) and it takes time to melt a steel frame with mere fuel combustion.

dili tawn na papel ang steel frame nga momelt or burn in seconds brod.

and if ang basement steel frames ra an nalanay nitakilid unta ang building.

gatakilid ba ang building?

hehe ana diay na mag share og idea.. ok.. yes engineer pod ko. chemical engineer pod. kung dili diay engineer dili unta pwede maka share idea?
anyway wa nko gigamit na para maka basehan maka share idea, ako ra gitubag imo pangutana.

if ur a chemical engineer, sa question nimo miagi nganong white man ang smoke and u said its incomplete combustion? aw black smoke ang incomplete combustion doc.

naa na pod ka sa melting the steel..i dont know if gbasa nimo ako previous reply, i said dili matunaw ang steel ato lang na temp, mobawog ra.. u can check in ur perry's chemical handbook sa melting point sa steel. ayaw lang ko wala man koy handbook.

[neshem]

samot na ka nga wala kasabot unsay squibs ug unsay purpose sa squibs.

dapat ang squibs mag-una, dili modungan.
kay mao nay purpose niya.
para mo give way sa controlled collapse sa structure.

tan-aw na lang gud sa video.
naa didto giexplain unsa ang pancaking.
wala man gud ka motan-aw.

doc ang squib nga dungan akong giingon is dili pareho sa imo video na paisa isa sa lain lain na point, tan awa gud 1st part sa imo video sa demolition unsa nahitabo.

gi explain btaw ang pancaking bro didto bro..giapil ang mga fator like ang weight sa jumbo plane og ang kainit?
as ive ask u.. logical ba na ang wall ray mohagsa dayon ang tunga nga naa didto nasunod ang plane magpabilin na nagtindog?

[Soul Doctor]

kani lang sa nga link:

YouTube - 9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt. 1

BE SURE TO WATCH ALL PARTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF WHO'S SPREADING THE LIES

ive seen it.

and the way i see it.

based on what they are wearing.

glasses and coat and tie vs shirt and sweaters.

as a salesman myself (i used to sell books and encyclopedias back in my younger days).

the tie and glasses is a tool for liars to convince their audience, because it makes them look credible.

look at those salesmen on the streets.

but on the other hand, those producers of loose change are not using those techniques used by salesmen.
they answer the questions straight and as honestly as possible unlike the other two.

since the whole conversation doesnt tell us anything about who is telling the truth.
id rely on actions and gestures.

and on the intro of the clip.
a reporter is describing the scene of the alleged crashed area..
so did the reporter lied in national television at that time?
when he said all the things he is describing.

why dont you watch part 2 of that same video.
better yet, watch the whole series.

[pinoy_09]

ive seen it.

and the way i see it.

based on what they are wearing.

glasses and coat and tie vs shirt and sweaters.

as a salesman myself (i used to sell books and encyclopedias back in my younger days).

the tie and glasses is a tool for liars to convince their audience, because it makes them look credible.

look at those salesmen on the streets.

but on the other hand, those producers of loose change are not using those techniques used by salesmen.
they answer the questions straight and as honestly as possible unlike the other two.

since the whole conversation doesnt tell us anything about who is telling the truth.
id rely on actions and gestures.

and on the intro of the clip.
a reporter is describing the scene of the alleged crashed area..
so did the reporter lied in national television at that time?
when he said all the things he is describing.

why dont you watch part 2 of that same video.
better yet, watch the whole series.

i agree with you on the whole outfit thing, but in this case, i don't think it's got anything to do with what these Popular Mechanics guys were wearing.

have you read "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts."? seriously, i suggest you read it. because i've read it, and i compared it to the claims presented in the Loose Change video.

or maybe you're just relying on these old youtube videos to defend your claim... lol.

[Soul Doctor]

hehe ana diay na mag share og idea.. ok.. yes engineer pod ko. chemical engineer pod. kung dili diay engineer dili unta pwede maka share idea?
anyway wa nko gigamit na para maka basehan maka share idea, ako ra gitubag imo pangutana.

if ur a chemical engineer, sa question nimo miagi nganong white man ang smoke and u said its incomplete combustion? aw black smoke ang incomplete combustion doc.

naa na pod ka sa melting the steel..i dont know if gbasa nimo ako previous reply, i said dili matunaw ang steel ato lang na temp, mobawog ra.. u can check in ur perry's chemical handbook sa melting point sa steel. ayaw lang ko wala man koy handbook.

perrys handbook pa jud. mao nay bible namo.
melting point depende sa type sa steel.

pero ang melting point is just one of the component.
time is the other component.

melting happens if a material is exposed to its melting point at a specific lenght of time.

steel is not a wax candle.

example a welding torch hitting a piece of steel.
first the steel turns red and later it melts.
the metal doesn't melt right away.
but you keep forgetting the fact that the steelframe in the building were packed and covered with concrete.
and concrete are not combustible but resists fire or heat as well.

[Soul Doctor]

i agree with you on the whole outfit thing, but in this case, i don't think it's got anything to do with what these Popular Mechanics guys were wearing.

have you read "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts."? seriously, i suggest you read it. because i've read it, and i compared it to the claims presented in the Loose Change video.

or maybe you're just relying on these old youtube videos to defend your claim... lol.

well i have to tell you. im a busy man.
i ran 2 businesses and the only convenient thing for me to do is watch instead of read.
so i watch. you read.
but dont believe everything you read.
i would not either.

reading is like eating fish.
take only what is good and spit out what is not good.
take in the truth and spit out the lies.
dont take them all up.
these books are written to make money.

reading is much inaccurate compared to watching.
because you read with your biases.

what is described as a beautiful woman, i could be thinking of my mother and you could be thinking of a supermodel. my point is. its better to watch videos than to read.
at the least we will be seeing the same thing.

[Soul Doctor]

i agree with you on the whole outfit thing, but in this case, i don't think it's got anything to do with what these Popular Mechanics guys were wearing.

have you read "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts."? seriously, i suggest you read it. because i've read it, and i compared it to the claims presented in the Loose Change video.

or maybe you're just relying on these old youtube videos to defend your claim... lol.

surely i would not rely on the words written by people.
i have to see it to believe.

pictures and videos dont lie, unless they are edited to deceive the audience.
and authentic videos are the best evidence you can present as evidence in any court.