conspiracy theories

[Soul Doctor]

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Seriously? Or just trying to avoid the discussion? A rather lame way to walk away from a simple point.




The escape velocity from earth is 7.1 km/s, which is what the SIVB stack (the part of the spacecraft consisting of the SIVB (stage 3) plus the LM, plus the CSM.) needed to achieve to get to the moon. But since it was already in LEO (low earth orbit), it just needed a delta-v of 3.05 to 3.25 km/s (10,000 to 10,600 ft/s) to free itself from LEO. This entire portion is called the Translunar Injection phase of the mission:

Trans Lunar Injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ergo, the CSM+LM stack needed only to slow down by a factor of 3.05 to 3.25 km/s to establish lunar orbit, once it's within the gravitational influence of the moon. This is easily achieved by the service propulsion system of the CSM (Apollo Command/Service Module - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) which can produce a thrust of about 20,500 pounds-force (91,000 N). Ergo, slowing down for LOI (lunar orbit insertion) is a non-issue for the CSM+LM stack.



Then, why insist on the Apollo Hoax theories if you yourself indicate you like to talk more on 911?



I'm not into 9/11 stuff, you can disprove it all you want, but please, before making statements like "...and even even a direct hit from a Boeing 747..." please do paste links and/or cite sources. It makes your statements more credible.

-RODION

because as i have said before, the hoax were perpetuated by the same group of people.
the jfk assassination, the moon landing and 911 are all connected and the same people are responsible for those deceptions.

[rodsky]

sorry i cant do links. but you can look it up yourself.
just type van allen belt radiation.

although i copied a line from there for your convenience.

The Hubble Space Telescope, among other satellites, often has its sensors turned off when passing through regions of intense radiation. An object satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminum will receive about 2500 rem (25 Sv) per year.

Funny that you quoted that...because RIGHT AFTER that line, here is what it says:


Proponents of the Apollo Moon Landing Hoax have argued that space travel to the moon is impossible because the Van Allen radiation would kill or incapacitate an astronaut who made the trip. Van Allen himself, still alive and living in Iowa City, has dismissed these ideas.

In practice, Apollo astronauts who travelled to the moon spent very little time in the belts and received a harmless dose. Nevertheless NASA deliberately timed Apollo launches, and used lunar transfer orbits that only skirted the edge of the belt over the equator to minimise the radiation. Astronauts who visited the moon probably have a slightly higher risk of cancer during their lifetimes, but still remain unlikely to become ill because of it.

Sa ato pa, and I'll predict what you will say, gibayran siguro or gi-threaten si Van Allen mismo, to say that
"the radiation in the belts will not harm astronauts". *shakes head*

because as i have said before, the hoax were perpetuated by the same group of people.
the jfk assassination, the moon landing and 911 are all connected and the same people are responsible for those deceptions.

Really? This small group of people (these so-called "conspirators" you're referring to) were able to dictate their whims on over 500,000 contract workers, from different companies (i.e. Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, Marshall, and Grumman, plus other smaller contractors like Hamilton Standard and ILC Dover) and were able to successfully convince ALL the employees of these companies, all 500,000 of them, to LIE and DECEIVE the public that the moon landings really happened?

-RODION

[Soul Doctor]

Funny that you quoted that...because RIGHT AFTER that line, here is what it says:


Proponents of the Apollo Moon Landing Hoax have argued that space travel to the moon is impossible because the Van Allen radiation would kill or incapacitate an astronaut who made the trip. Van Allen himself, still alive and living in Iowa City, has dismissed these ideas.

In practice, Apollo astronauts who travelled to the moon spent very little time in the belts and received a harmless dose. Nevertheless NASA deliberately timed Apollo launches, and used lunar transfer orbits that only skirted the edge of the belt over the equator to minimise the radiation. Astronauts who visited the moon probably have a slightly higher risk of cancer during their lifetimes, but still remain unlikely to become ill because of it.

Sa ato pa, and I'll predict what you will say, gibayran siguro or gi-threaten si Van Allen mismo, to say that
"the radiation in the belts will not harm astronauts". *shakes head*



Really? This small group of people (these so-called "conspirators" you're referring to) were able to dictate their whims on over 500,000 contract workers, from different companies (i.e. Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, Marshall, and Grumman, plus other smaller contractors like Hamilton Standard and ILC Dover) and were able to successfully convince ALL the employees of these companies, all 500,000 of them, to LIE and DECEIVE the public that the moon landings really happened?

-RODION

yeah but some astronauts who died have strong objections about it.
probably why they were silenced.

the way i see it.
the whole moonwalk was filmed in advance.
and the astronauts were send to orbit around earth for 8 days while showing the moon landing film.
after that the return to earth for a landing.

thats my theory.

[Soul Doctor]

Funny that you quoted that...because RIGHT AFTER that line, here is what it says:


Proponents of the Apollo Moon Landing Hoax have argued that space travel to the moon is impossible because the Van Allen radiation would kill or incapacitate an astronaut who made the trip. Van Allen himself, still alive and living in Iowa City, has dismissed these ideas.

In practice, Apollo astronauts who travelled to the moon spent very little time in the belts and received a harmless dose. Nevertheless NASA deliberately timed Apollo launches, and used lunar transfer orbits that only skirted the edge of the belt over the equator to minimise the radiation. Astronauts who visited the moon probably have a slightly higher risk of cancer during their lifetimes, but still remain unlikely to become ill because of it.

Sa ato pa, and I'll predict what you will say, gibayran siguro or gi-threaten si Van Allen mismo, to say that
"the radiation in the belts will not harm astronauts". *shakes head*



Really? This small group of people (these so-called "conspirators" you're referring to) were able to dictate their whims on over 500,000 contract workers, from different companies (i.e. Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, Marshall, and Grumman, plus other smaller contractors like Hamilton Standard and ILC Dover) and were able to successfully convince ALL the employees of these companies, all 500,000 of them, to LIE and DECEIVE the public that the moon landings really happened?

-RODION

the nasa were fully departmentalized.
no one knows what the other was doing. from research to design.
all information are confidential.
thats how you do it.

[Soul Doctor]

Funny that you quoted that...because RIGHT AFTER that line, here is what it says:


Proponents of the Apollo Moon Landing Hoax have argued that space travel to the moon is impossible because the Van Allen radiation would kill or incapacitate an astronaut who made the trip. Van Allen himself, still alive and living in Iowa City, has dismissed these ideas.

In practice, Apollo astronauts who travelled to the moon spent very little time in the belts and received a harmless dose. Nevertheless NASA deliberately timed Apollo launches, and used lunar transfer orbits that only skirted the edge of the belt over the equator to minimise the radiation. Astronauts who visited the moon probably have a slightly higher risk of cancer during their lifetimes, but still remain unlikely to become ill because of it.

Sa ato pa, and I'll predict what you will say, gibayran siguro or gi-threaten si Van Allen mismo, to say that
"the radiation in the belts will not harm astronauts". *shakes head*



Really? This small group of people (these so-called "conspirators" you're referring to) were able to dictate their whims on over 500,000 contract workers, from different companies (i.e. Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, Marshall, and Grumman, plus other smaller contractors like Hamilton Standard and ILC Dover) and were able to successfully convince ALL the employees of these companies, all 500,000 of them, to LIE and DECEIVE the public that the moon landings really happened?

-RODION

thats logical.

if im one of the contractor.
would i say the truth?

or should i cover the truth just so i could earn my billions in contracts.

oops thats a hard question to answer for me as a contractor. hhhmmm.
what to do.
what to do.

[kit_cebu]

the nasa were fully departmentalized.
no one knows what the other was doing. from research to design.
all information are confidential.
thats how you do it.

this actually makes sense....to me that is....

though everything from concept to building to going to space were true, it might be that the moon landing part "might" be the only fake part of the whole thing.........

.

[rodsky]

yeah but some astronauts who died have strong objections about it.
probably why they were silenced.

You're accusing the government of the United States (because NASA is a government entity) of murder. A fairly strong accusation. But then again, you have a point--I can also accuse Noy-Noy of murder...my only hope is not to get sued by President Noy-Noy LOL ...the question is, are you prepared to get sued by NASA or the U.S. Government for such an accusation?

the way i see it.
the whole moonwalk was filmed in advance.
and the astronauts were send to orbit around earth for 8 days while showing the moon landing film.
after that the return to earth for a landing.

thats my theory.

My final statement to this argument.

The Apollo astronauts brought back moon rocks and moon soil.

Now, the Soviets (remember, mga kontra ni sa U.S.) actually had three unmanned sample-return missions. Luna 16, 20, and 24 successfully went to the moon, had the spacecraft scoop up dirt from the moon.

Luna 16 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Luna 20 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Luna 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So now, we know the Soviets/Russians have real lunar soil (you agree with this?). And they have confirmed (after receiving soil samples from NASA during the joint US-Soviet goodwill missions, the ASTP project), that the soil brought back by the NASA astronauts during the Apollo program were in fact, really from the moon:

"The 55-gram soil sample differed from that collected by Luna 16 in that the majority (50 to 60 %) of the rock particles in the newer sample were ancient lunar highlands anorthosite (which consists largely of feldspar) rather than the basalt of the earlier one (which contained about 1 to 2 % of anorthosite). The American Apollo 16 mission returned similar highlands material two months later. Like the Luna 16 soil, samples of the Luna 20 collection were shared with American and French scientists."

Now, what are you going to say? That the US/NASA secretly sent unmanned sample-return missions to the moon to get soil, just to prove they really went there? Ok, suppose they were able to do this...then what about the rocks? The last Apollo Mission, Apollo 17, brought back more than 200 pounds of moon rock...you mean the U.S./NASA secretly had a vehicle LARGE ENOUGH to carry back 200 pounds of moon rock remotely/robotically picked up from the moon, just to prove that astronauts were the ones to pick these up? Seriously? I mean if you have that much technology for such a complex feat, then why not just go there yourself?

Another thing I predict you will say--"Aha! The soviets had a secret pact with the conspirators to "keep the fake" by giving them lunar soil or whatever, to prove they really went there"...if you go this route, then I have to say you've been reading too many Ludlum Books.

I want to declare, that I am positive that those who believe whatever they want to believe in this thread will keep believing in whatever they believe, no matter what kind of fact or common sense you present to them. I will however, keep reacting to false/pseudoscientific claims if I find/identify them in this thead.

Another note. You say you're a Chemical Engineer. If given the opportunity to visit the both the NASA Specimen Labs and the Russian Specimen museums for a comparison of the NASA-collected regolith (the proper term for Lunar Soil) composition as compared to the Soviet-collected regolith (I assume you have the proper training and background to do soil tests for chemical composition, if there is indeed a part of the earth where this regolith can possibly exist (i.e. faked lunar soil), are you willing to do this, and is this enough to convince you that real human beings were the ones who brought back these rocks and regolith back to the earth from the moon?

-RODION

[Soul Doctor]

You're accusing the government of the United States (because NASA is a government entity) of murder. A fairly strong accusation. But then again, you have a point--I can also accuse Noy-Noy of murder...my only hope is not to get sued by President Noy-Noy LOL ...the question is, are you prepared to get sued by NASA or the U.S. Government for such an accusation?



My final statement to this argument.

The Apollo astronauts brought back moon rocks and moon soil.

Now, the Soviets (remember, mga kontra ni sa U.S.) actually had three unmanned sample-return missions. Luna 16, 20, and 24 successfully went to the moon, had the spacecraft scoop up dirt from the moon.

Luna 16 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Luna 20 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Luna 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So now, we know the Soviets/Russians have real lunar soil (you agree with this?). And they have confirmed (after receiving soil samples from NASA during the joint US-Soviet goodwill missions, the ASTP project), that the soil brought back by the NASA astronauts during the Apollo program were in fact, really from the moon:

"The 55-gram soil sample differed from that collected by Luna 16 in that the majority (50 to 60 %) of the rock particles in the newer sample were ancient lunar highlands anorthosite (which consists largely of feldspar) rather than the basalt of the earlier one (which contained about 1 to 2 % of anorthosite). The American Apollo 16 mission returned similar highlands material two months later. Like the Luna 16 soil, samples of the Luna 20 collection were shared with American and French scientists."

Now, what are you going to say? That the US/NASA secretly sent unmanned sample-return missions to the moon to get soil, just to prove they really went there? Ok, suppose they were able to do this...then what about the rocks? The last Apollo Mission, Apollo 17, brought back more than 200 pounds of moon rock...you mean the U.S./NASA secretly had a vehicle LARGE ENOUGH to carry back 200 pounds of moon rock remotely/robotically picked up from the moon, just to prove that astronauts were the ones to pick these up? Seriously? I mean if you have that much technology for such a complex feat, then why not just go there yourself?

Another thing I predict you will say--"Aha! The soviets had a secret pact with the conspirators to "keep the fake" by giving them lunar soil or whatever, to prove they really went there"...if you go this route, then I have to say you've been reading too many Ludlum Books.

I want to declare, that I am positive that those who believe whatever they want to believe in this thread will keep believing in whatever they believe, no matter what kind of fact or common sense you present to them. I will however, keep reacting to false/pseudoscientific claims if I find/identify them in this thead.

Another note. You say you're a Chemical Engineer. If given the opportunity to visit the both the NASA Specimen Labs and the Russian Specimen museums for a comparison of the NASA-collected regolith (the proper term for Lunar Soil) composition as compared to the Soviet-collected regolith (I assume you have the proper training and background to do soil tests for chemical composition, if there is indeed a part of the earth where this regolith can possibly exist (i.e. faked lunar soil), are you willing to do this, and is this enough to convince you that real human beings were the ones who brought back these rocks and regolith back to the earth from the moon?

-RODION

NO,
it doesnot say it is really from the moon.
all analyst said, and i copy paste it:

Analysis of the dark basalt material indicated a close resemblance to soil recovered by the American Apollo 12 mission.

maybe "close resemblance" is real enough for you?
but not to me.

but anyway,
if they can identify a substance then they can also produce that substance artificially.

similar compounds are almost identical throughout the solar system.

[rodsky]

NO,
it doesnot say it is really from the moon.
all analyst said, and i copy paste it:

Analysis of the dark basalt material indicated a close resemblance to soil recovered by the American Apollo 12 mission.

maybe "close resemblance" is real enough for you?
but not to me.

So, you're saying mas maayo/expert pa ka sa mga Soviet/Russian geologists in determining "resemblance". Right.

but anyway,
if they can identify a substance then they can also produce that substance artificially.

similar compounds are almost identical throughout the solar system.

Unfortunately, here is where the checkmate lies. You see, even if these compounds do exist throughout the solar system, a specific type of isotope of oxygen will be present in the rocks/soil, that will tell a trained chemist that only in conditions that exist on the lunar surface, could these isotopes have formed, and it cannot happen anywhere else, not even in a laboratory on earth.

Surface Properties of the Moon

Geological Composition
One striking difference between the Lunar surface material and that of Earth concerns the most common kinds of rocks. On the Earth, the most common rocks are sedimentary, because of atmospheric and water erosion of the surface. On the Moon there is no atmosphere to speak of and little or no water, and the most common kind of rock is igneous ("fire-formed rocks"). Geologically, the Lunar surface material has the following characteristics:
The Maria are mostly composed of dark basalts, which form from rapid cooling of molten rock from massive lava flows.

The Highlands rocks are largely Anorthosite, which is a kind of igneous rock that forms when lava cools more slowly than in the case of basalts. This implies that the rocks of the Maria and Highlands cooled at different rates from the molten state and so were formed under different conditions.

Breccias, which are fragments of different rocks compacted and welded together by meteor impacts, are found in the Maria and the Highlands, but are more common in the latter.

Lunar Soils contain glassy globules not commonly found on the Earth. These are probably formed from the heat and pressure generated by meteor impacts.

The Anorthosites that are common in the Lunar Highlands are not common on the surface of the Earth (The Adirondack Mountains and the Canadian Shield are exceptions). They form the ancient cores of continents on the Earth, but these have largely been obliterated by overlying sedimentary deposits and by plate tectonic activity.

Chemical Composition

The Lunar rocks may also be examined according to the chemicals that they contain. Such analysis indicates:
They are rich in refractory elements, which are elements such as calcium (Ca), Aluminum (Al), and Titanium (Ti) that form compounds having high melting points.

They are poor in the light elements such as hydrogen (H).

There is high abundance of elements like Silicon (Si) and Oxygen (O).

-RODION

[Soul Doctor]

OT:

deja vu.

i just remembered why my threads are being kidnapped.

i ran into this type of debate with one of the mods in the spirituality and occult channel.

hope this would not happen here.