Loose Change 2nd Edition - 9/11 Conspiracy Documentary

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I understand where you're coming from bai... its just that these are people who have no motives whatsoever and are just curious as to what really happened on 911. Now, how come the govt cant come up with facts, statistics or studies showing that you can really make those calls from up there at that speed... How come there were never any other instances in history of hijacked, or off-course, or troubled planes that made cellphone calls from the air...

How did you know that these PEOPLE has no MOTIVES ? Are you even sure about their EXISTENCE at all ?

- Didnt the HIJACKERS according to the HOSTAGES told them to make a last phone call to their loved ones ?

how come all these amazing, one-off, unique, unexplainable, record-breaking feats HAPPENED WITHIN THREE HOURS?

These are not FEATS that happened in 3 hours , the CONSPIRACY THEORIST amde look like one .

- so many calls from airplanes went through (usually impossible at that speed and altitude)

It is very contradicting when we say USUALLY and IMPOSSIBLE bai , as ive said dont close the doors of the POSSIBILITIES .

- skyscrapers burned to the ground for the first time in history (duha pa gyud)

Because for the 1st in HISTORY also did the HIJACKERS/TERRORIST utilized a plane to ram into the towers .

- first time the US could not defend itself on its soil against HUGE, SLOW planes

Because the ATTACK on HUGE and SLOW planes happened also once in the history of any US tragdey caused by terrorist .

- first time the US shipped off EVIDENCE to a major crime in a hurry

And which is that ? The DEBRIS ?

- first time 8 black boxes disappeared simultaneously

And it concludes that gi taguan sa secret service kay di man pwede gamiton ang reasoning na nasunog kay INDESTRUCTIBLE man ang blackboxes .

- first time steel "burned" by fuel was still molten 6 weeks after

And these are researches of " RESEARCHERS " , and the possibilities again ?

- first time paper passports were not burned in a building where steel melted

Even a dog survived while explosions where occuring .

- first time terrorists who flew a plane into a building SURVIVED! http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

And who was that ? The HIJACKERS ? bai any websites , links and articles you posted are obvious that existed to be nothing more than an ANTI BUSH campaign connecting events that are too good to be true .

On the post above you make , 911truth.org is nothing but as to what the header of the main page presents , A CAMPAIGN to EXPOSE the TRUTH . Have we asked ourselves who are these people ? Just because they are doctors and lawyers makes it a day .

[Spec-V]

@SPEC-V.where's the plane? =)

I already posted that is something related to this topic before...oh well...

I am not suppose to respond or to divulge anything coz its been awhile & people move on, but this will be the last reply for me on this topic & I will rest my case.

I was there; I saw the plane my dear sir before it Hit the Pentagon...while I was driving towards @ my main office @ Jefferson Davies Hi-Way.

I dont think that was Hollywood special effects...or if it was...then..Hot damn! It sure did Punked me (sarcasm)

[Spec-V]

yeah great, a US government site... do you really think they were gonna say "We blew them up!" hehehe

so my dear sir, who will be the best person/organization to counter such accusations?

The Tooth Fairy? The Easter Bunny? KGB? Massad? MI-6? The Yeti? The Loochness? or The Masons?

[weedmeister2]

How did you know that these PEOPLE has no MOTIVES ? Are you even sure about their EXISTENCE at all ?

Well, right now, thats the best we have as the US govt doesnt seem to be able to prove that calls can be made from planes 30,000 feet up flying at 500kms per hour...

- Didnt the HIJACKERS according to the HOSTAGES told them to make a last phone call to their loved ones ?

Does it make it possible just because terrorists wished it?

These are not FEATS that happened in 3 hours , the CONSPIRACY THEORIST amde look like one .

They happened for the FIRST and LAST time, all in three hours...

It is very contradicting when we say USUALLY and IMPOSSIBLE bai , as ive said dont close the doors of the POSSIBILITIES .

hehehe, okay, lemme put it at a probability of 0.006%

Because for the 1st in HISTORY also did the HIJACKERS/TERRORIST utilized a plane to ram into the towers .

The Empire State Bldg was hit by a B-25 Bomber in 1945, which started a huge fire. Tell me, how can a building built in 1930 withstand a bomber crash and ensuing fire, while a building built in the 70's could not...?



Plus, if your theory about the wtc going down because of the plane hit is true, then the wtc should have been destroyed at the moment of impact, which created the most stress for its structure... Remember, the WTC was built to withstand airplane hits.

Because the ATTACK on HUGE and SLOW planes happened also once in the history of any US tragdey caused by terrorist .

Hahahaha, you of all people should know that there was a STAND DOWN order.


"This is America, the most advanced military technologically capable country in the world, and it is just impossible to believe that they could have been that incompetent." - Michael Meacher, UK MP.


NORAD was unusually prepared on 9/11, because it was conducting a week-long semiannual exercise called Vigilant Guardian.

COLONEL ROBERT MARR, US AIR FORCE: We had the fighters with a little more gas on board. A few more weapons on board. We had 14 aircraft on alert, seven sites, two aircraft at each site.

That's a ratio of 3.5 'hot' fighter jets per hijacked airliner.

The map below details the 9/11 planes' flightpaths and some of the military bases in those areas. The flights went through some of the most heavily militarized parts of the country.


[img width=500 height=432]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911_map_small.jpg[/img]



This map shows Andrews AFB is roughly 11 miles from the Pentagon:

[img width=500 height=320]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/andrewsmap.gif[/img]

This page from the Andrews AFB web site (removed 9/12) shows the base had F-16 fighter jets which could have intercepted Flight 77.
http://web.archive.org/web/200103062.../wg_units.html

Instead, F-16s were scrambled from Langley AFB which is 120 miles south of the Pentagon at 9:30 a.m.

At first, the planes were directed toward New York at top speed, and probably reached 600 m.p.h. within two minutes, General Haugen said [obviously they were on a go-slow]. Then, flying in formation, they were vectored toward the west and given a new flight target: Reagan National Airport. [New York Times]

So, it was known that Flight 77 was hijacked and heading toward Washington at 9:30 a.m., but instead of the above jets being sent to defend the heart of the US government and military the fighters were initially despatched to New York.

The plane's descent over Washington was tracked on radar...

Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. [CBS News]

...and at 09:38 the Pentagon was hit:

"We heard what sounded like a missile, then we heard a loud boom," said Tom Seibert, 33, a network engineer at the Pentagon. "We were sitting there and watching this thing from New York, and I said, you know, the next best target would be us. And five minutes later, boom." [Guardian]

The plane was flown with incredible precision by a pilot who could barely fly a Cessna, and it hit the newly renovated Pentagon wedge.


Question: How was a plane which was known to be hostile able to have an unimpeded 48 minute joyride around US airspace before slamming into the heart of the US military?

Answer: Stand down.


There was a young man who came in and said to the vice president "The plane is 50 miles out" [from Washington], "The plane is 30 miles out", and when it got down to "The plane is 10 miles out" the young man also said to the vice president "Do the orders still stand?", and the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?" http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...milton_win.wmv


It is obvious the above orders did not involve defending Washington.

And which is that ? The DEBRIS ?

Have you ever watched those specials on discovery channel about how they pick up ALL the DEBRIS from a plane crash, even if its on a mountain side just so they can piece the plane together again like a puzzle, or how they protect the crime scene, like on CSI, or how they collect the minutest of evidence, ESPECIALLY DEBRIS, when there is a BOMBING, as it could tell them exactly what explosives were used, and by who...? Thats is because in a crime scene, especially an INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST DISASTER, (especially if thousands died) they would want to know everything....

I guess that was just my imagination... The US would NEVER do that in real life.

And it concludes that gi taguan sa secret service kay di man pwede gamiton ang reasoning na nasunog kay INDESTRUCTIBLE man ang blackboxes .

There were reports of the blackboxes being found...

http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?...rder=0&thold=0
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/e...lackboxes.html

Events that would damage the recorders sufficiently to make them unreadable are extremely rare. NTSB spokesperson Ted Lopatkiewicz said that he couldn't recall a domestic case before 9/11/01 in which the recorders were not recovered. The recorders are designed to survive the kinds of impacts that happened at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

The FAA has placed durability requirements on the recorders and their casings to survive severe impact and fire

The storage medium of each recorder is located in a protective capsule, which must be able to withstand an impact of 3,400 Gs (3,400 times the force of gravity). Additionally, each must also survive flames at 2,000 F for up to 30 minutes, and submersion in 20,000 feet of saltwater for 30 days. Typically, to increase their chances of survival, the recorders are located in the tail section of the aircraft, which usually sustains the least impact in a crash.

And these are researches of " RESEARCHERS " , and the possibilities again ?

how about a picture then...? 6 weeks into clearing the debris... metal is still molten... can fuel fires really do this...?

Even a dog survived while explosions where occuring .

hmmm, funny you mentioned that... EXPLOSIONS? you mean the demolition charges? seems you're slowly moving to the conspiracy theorists side... :mrgreen:

And who was that ? The HIJACKERS ? bai any websites , links and articles you posted are obvious that existed to be nothing more than an ANTI BUSH campaign connecting events that are too good to be true .

The UK's guardian unlimited? http://www.guardian.co.uk/september1...601550,00.html

WorldNetDaily: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33059

I dont think you can say that these sites are all ANTI BUSH... also, that would be a very convenient excuse to dismiss everything i say here, since I myself am anti-bush....

On the post above you make , 911truth.org is nothing but as to what the header of the main page presents , A CAMPAIGN to EXPOSE the TRUTH . Have we asked ourselves who are these people ? Just because they are doctors and lawyers makes it a day .

hey, i think exposing the truth is a noble act bro... heheeheehehe

[tolstoi]

I already posted that is something related to this topic before...oh well...

I am not suppose to respond or to divulge anything coz its been awhile & people move on, but this will be the last reply for me on this topic & I will rest my case.

I was there; I saw the plane my dear sir before it Hit the Pentagon...while I was driving towards @ my main office @ Jefferson Davies Hi-Way.

I dont think that was Hollywood special effects...or if it was...then..Hot damn! It sure did Punked me (sarcasm)

and so does a handful of witnesses were saying..some even describe the plane's window =)

JOHN L-E-A-R knows best bai =)

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OK. Please know this. I have been a pilot for almost 50 years. No airman has more FAA certificates than I do. I had over 19,000 hours when I retired in 2001, 16,000 in large jets. I have participated in many crash investigations.
I have built airplanes, I have flown them, I have instructed in them, I have raced them and I have crashed them. The hypothesis that the wings and tail and fuel from a Boeing 757 disintegrated from the high kinectic energy of impact is pure, unadulterated, unmitigated B.S.

[tolstoi]

hhmmm..so the wings and tail disintegrated on impact

and all that was left was this neat piece of metal?..or maybe just for props =)

[img width=500 height=385]http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/757-americanlogo.jpg[/img]

[weedmeister2]

@ Tolstoi: looks like some guys with shears and a few beers worked on that sheet before they planted it there... hehehe

not even any soot or dirt on it... cleanest piece of debris i've seen... hehehe basta "stateside", limpyo gyud... hehehe

[weedmeister2]

[img width=500 height=325]http://www.teamlaw.org/images/Penthitista.jpg[/img]

(see the full image at http://www.teamlaw.org/images/Penthitista.jpg )

Notice, this is a copy of a United States Army photograph downloaded from their website a couple of days after the event. Notice the hole in the building circled in red. That is the only hole in the building after the attack! The green line is a radius line; it is copied and transposed next to a short firefighter showing the radius of this hole is about six and one half feet. Then notice the beautiful lawn absent any debris from any wreckage from any kind of aircraft. Now ask yourself how a 44 foot tall Boeing 757 could fit through a 13 foot hole in the wall and not break a single window around the hole in the Pentagon. The answer is plain—it’s impossible. The story the world was told is obviously false. There are more photographs on our site that prove this point further and there are links to two well done video presentations that address the obvious facts and cover-ups. This photo makes people take a second look at the situation and notice the impossibility of the story coming from Mr. Bush. Today, he was allegedly campaigning in Pennsylvania with the main message that we are going to make the terrorists pay for the events of that infamous day. We can only hope that is true, considering that he is the head of the only source that could have caused the damage shown above, the United States Government itself.


http://www.teamlaw.org/TLNewsletter.htm

[weedmeister2]

@spec-v: even if you saw the plane hovering around, IT DID NOT DISAPPEAR INTO A 13 FT HOLE IN THE WALL...


unless david blaine or david copperfield was around...

[weedmeister2]

[img width=500 height=278]http://911review.org/images/pentagon/01749vp_2.jpg[/img]

The above picture shows a "mid burn" photo. If the plane, or even just the wings had "evaporated" or somehow burned up, then, they would be visible. Surely these massive wings would not burn in a few seconds.

Also keep in mind the placement of the generator to the right, which is over 10ft tall. Wouldn't the plane's wing or engine have hit it...?



Apart from this, after hitting so much resistance as the reinforced wall of the pentagon, and continuous concrete floor, where is the "backblow"? The planes which hit the WTC both had a large backblow of debris.
There is virtually NO debris on the lawn of the Pentagon.

Look at the HUGE backblow: