MERGED: CPP-NPA-NDF Discussions (Issues, Updates, etc.)

[FK]

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leftist ideology is now better understood than yesterday... when being a leftist is automatically being associated of being a communist.

[arnoldsa]

^^

@brian_d


Although I really have no idea kung unsa jud ang tumong sa Akbayan, but I think they are more into having a Socialist society.

Socialist in the sense that the means of production is nationalized but "private property" is still guaranteed. So you might be working in a factory or business owned by the government but yet you can still use your salary to buy more things that you desire like cars, movie tickers, tshirts, etc..etc. In such a system, we can expect VECO, PAL, Oil Companies, and other big companies to be owned by the gov't.

Unlike in Communism wherein the means of production is nationalized and then also, there is no private property.

Socialism I think is between capitalism and communism.

However the leftist movement in this country is deeply divided. With the CPP NPA on one side headed by Ma. Jose Sison and the faction termed as "rejectionist" (Etta's group is one of them). Thier differences?

The CPP-NPA believes that true change can only happen through armed struggle that wil start in the hinterland then move its way to the city.

Si Satur Ocampo of Bayan Muna, during an interview with Dong Puno (I think it was ViewPoints), ingon siya nga dili pod siya in favor sa "Armed Struggle" mao daw nga nigawas siya sa CPP-NPA. Debate daw ilaha meaning adto nila dad-on ilahang "cause" sa Congress, pero mao ra daw gihapon, "dili daw gihapon ma-usab iyahang prinsipyo.." He didn't directly tell what his "principles" are but I think these are pretty obvious already.

[lr]

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General vows to crush reds by 2010

Cebu Daily News
Last updated 02:10pm (Mla time) 07/31/2006

Tacloban City — The all-out war policy of the national government would be pursued to the fullest until the insurgency problem is crushed, a senior military commander said

Major General Bonifacio Ramos, former commanding officer of the Army's 8th Infantry Division based in Catbalogan, Samar and newly appointed chief of the Northern Luzon Command, said he would free from communist rebels the areas under his new command.

Last Saturday, Ramos formally relinquished his post as Eastern Visayas' top Army officer to his deputy, General Randy Dauz during a ceremony held at the grounds of the 8th ID headquarters presided by new Army chief Lieutenant General Romeo Tolentino.

He assumed his new post on July 25 replacing Tolentino, who was promoted as the new Army chief when President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo named Hermogenes Esperon Jr. as the Armed Forces Chief of Staff.

Ramos said that with President Arroyo giving them a marching order coupled with a P1-billion fund, he would see to it that his vast area of jurisdiction would be free of the presence of the New People's Army.

“Your soldiers are determined to end the country's insurgency problem which is indeed one reason the total development in the countryside is stalled. We have to solve this menace once and for all for the good of our people in the countryside and of the entire country,” Ramos, reached on his mobile phone, told the Inquirer.

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i think, one should go to the root-cause of the problem of the insurgency which is poverty. even if tey'll be all wiped out, there would still be the young ones who will one day emerge should the basic problem not be addressed. in the end, it will just be a waste of the soldiers lives because they fought in the wrong battlefield.

[hala tindak jud]

mao lagi na akong gipunting sukad pa sa sugod, pero ang uban dire mga warfreak man, they dont look at sa root cause, ganahan man nuon sa usa ka brutal nga solusyon, may ta moapil sila sa ani nga gubat, cge lang raba yawyaw, kung ganahan unta sila nga mahurot ang NPA, na tabangan na nila ang 300,00 strong kuno nga pwersa laban sa 8,400 strong guerillas. Sauns.

Basta ko, ill stick to my idea, wage war against poverty. Ihatag ang tinuoray nga serbisyo sa katawhan, pagkaon dili giyera.

[istoryador]

Bayan Muna, Anak Bayan et al are progressive, left leaning parties in the Philippines. Meaning both wants the Philippines to be transformed into a truly democratic and independent country, free Imperialist control where land and wealth are equallly istributed among its citizen.

However the leftist movement in this country is deeply divided. With the CPP NPA on one side headed by Ma. Jose Sison and the faction termed as "rejectionist" (Etta's group is one of them). Thier differences?

The CPP-NPA believes that true change can only happen through armed struggle that wil start in the hinterland then move its way to the city.

The rejectionist and at least Etta's group, believe that change can happen by "working within the system", that the masses will rise up the challenge and within the electoral process a truly democratic and equitable society will happen.

Here's more from the Akbayan's website:

What gave rise to this monster-in-the making? When the former CPP-NPA started to splinter in years 1992-94, it became apparent to the broad progressive community that the faction which took over the CPP-NPA franchise had all but abandoned principled discourse and debate in relating to the broad Left community, especially its “Rejectionist” rivals. Jingoist and black propaganda attacks have become the staple fare of CPP-NPA statements when referring to all other stripes of Left thinking and Left organizations. The avowed intention of the CPP-NPA since then was to destroy politically and ideologically all rivals.

Unfortunately for the CPP-NPA, not only have the other Left groups survived; new Left forces and new social movement formations, like Akbayan, have emerged and grown stronger in recent years, making Left politics irreversibly diverse and plural and democratic. The CPP-NPA can only accept this fact with bitterness. Its virulent campaign to demonize and thus, isolate its competitors has miserably failed. Obsessed with the desire to monopolize Left politics, the CPP-NPA has begun to use armed violence against other sections of the Left.


The challenge posed by new Left forces does not fully explain the

CPP-NPA’s descent to more violence. Hidden behind its display of bravura and triumphalist rhetoric is a growing insecurity about its future. In a rare moment of candor and vulnerability, NDF spokesperson Luis Jalandoni recently admitted before foreign wires representatives that they no longer see the prospect of victory in the near future.

Violence serves another purpose and that is, to project a strength and a semblance of promise far beyond the CPP-NPAs political influence and capacity for mass mobilization and armed power. NPA operations have been directed not so much to wiping out enemy AFP forces as to terrorizing uncooperative politicians and business owners and to collect taxes and blood money from the rich and bamboozle the poor to contribute.

It is this ugly mix of survivalism and vanguardism which has brought the CPP-NPA to depths of opportunism never known before in the history of the former CPP-NPA. It has forged unholy alliances with powerful landlords and warlords against new peasant organizations and new rural social movements like in Quezon, Tarlac, Mindoro and Nueva Ecija. It has supported even the most reactionary and corrupt politicians to get money, secure freer movements within warlord enclaves, and frustrate the electoral bids of progressive candidates unwilling to do its bidding.

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Istoryador, don't have any illusions. Etta is a leftist by heart and there is no way that she will jump ship and join the administration.

Well if she wont jump to the administration, then its good news!

[arnoldsa]

i think, one should go to the root-cause of the problem of the insurgency which is poverty. even if tey'll be all wiped out, there would still be the young ones who will one day emerge should the basic problem not be addressed. in the end, it will just be a waste of the soldiers lives because they fought in the wrong battlefield.

I agree bro but the problem is that the communist themselves are also waging a war. We all know that for them, "armed struggle" is the only solution no matter what happens.

If the government would not wage a war, it would just be tantamount to allowing itself to be destroyed by the rebels. It would mean "deceiving" the people and abandoning its duty to protect the state by allowing democracy to be destroyed by the rebels with the imposition of a dictatorial one-party state.

It's already a fact that even if the government will institute reforms, the CPP-NPA will still continue to wage a war because it is in its mindset to seize power at all cost so that they will be the ones who will be governing.

[arnoldsa]

2 communists rebels were caught last friday for extortion.

http://globalnation.inq7.net/cebudai...ticle_id=19055



Photo below from Sunstar. Gov. Gwen Garcia hold the .45 caliber that was seized from the two rebels. The laptop that was "extorted" from Taiheiyo Cement is also shown in the pic

[bcasabee]

Naay uban gusto all out war vs NPA...
Naay uban gusto all out war vs poverty........

Para walay lalis dunganon nalang......

All out war vs NPA and all out war versus poverty.....pwede raman di ba?

[budmendz]

Kamo tanan dire ba... ayaw dayon mo ug tuo kung unsay mga salida ni Eta karon kay sa politics god, "everybody patigayon na - kinsa tong maayong laki maoy matigayon ug una"... labi na ug hapit na ang election. So, ug mao nay himoon ni Eta (ayaw lang rambola ang spelling kay basin lod-on ka)... karon, iyaha sad na nga discarte kay modagan pa god na cya sa sunod nga eleksyon. Nagtoo mo nga ang naa ra sa gobyerno maoy maayong mo drama? Ayaw mo pagtoo nga bugo na si Eta... hinuno-a, bright girl kana. Ug sa mga tagalog pa... Kanya, kanyang descarte lang yan dre...

[baron]

^It's very possible to implement these two programs simultaneously since there would not be any conflict to fight these rebels and fight poverty at the same time.

Right now, the military is pursuing its utmost efforts to wipe out the Abu Sayyaff group in Sulu.