Is RP deserving to be called a Nation of cheaters?

[omad]

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but in such case where your good friend is doing something illegal, engage in corruption or cheating in any form: I'm not sure if I can go as far as being a whistle blower, a snitch.. I'm not sure if I can do either of that... I'll cross the bridge when I get there..

[raddiboy]

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net...royo.told.html

Just read yesterdays Sunstar-Cebu, at the last part you will see a lawyers quote..
I'll post it anyway..

Cheryl Daytec, a sister-in-law and the lawyer of the recent graduate Lilian Yangot, castigated the regulation commission for initially denying there was a leak. She also demanded that Rosero resign.

"I think the impact is not only on the nursing profession but on all the professions in the Philippines and the entire Philippine society," Daytec said.

"I think it brings to the fore the fact that this nation is a nation of cheats."
She urged President Arroyo, whose office oversees the regulations commission, to take "decisive steps" to resolve the controversy.

"That's what the outside world is waiting for-an honest and sincere demonstration of the policy against fraud," she said. (AP)

[iloveyou4ever]

now it comes to former president joseph estrada.... dili man nga hing tuo ta ni chavet kay limpyo sya...but kay pareho man sila ni FPJE nga hugaw... hing pyaet lang gyud si chavet... :P

oppps butt in lang ko gamay!.... pero mas maau siguro ang title...

RP a nation of political cheaters... tuo gyud ko ani.. wala bisan kinsa nila wala nang daya... but....

That would be the most appropriate title. Dapat "RP: Nation of Political Cheaters" or RP: Nation of Political Corrupt". I guess the reason why most of the Filipinos are cheaters its because of our environment. Kay mga cheaters man tanan dire (politicians, students, teachers, liers (lawyers), judge etc etc) thats why even ang mga dili cheaters na carry over na sila because of our environment. WE cannot DENY the truth.

Imagine lang inig election, when money talks everybody's listen. So even unsa pa ka corrupt sa public official basta naa 500 pesos, VOTE lang japon. Nya doctoron pa ang resulta sa local election. Tsk tsk tsk.

[lindsay]

this is too bad kay maangin lang ang tarong.

my american friend here is a flight attendant who used to live in guam kay iya hubby na station sa military didto. her flights at the that time are fom guam to manila. daghan kaayo sya horrific stories in regards sa mga pinay na iyang ka trabaho. i was actually kind of embarassed but she said she also met a lot who were so nice and honest. in other words not the whole world thinks that all filipinos are cheaters.

another guy that i was talking at work yesterday had a different story. we were talking about the little league baseball series and out of nowhere he ask me where i'm from and i told him from the philippines. then he said to me oh yeah, the philippines won the international liitle series in the early 90's but they were stripped off the title because they cheated....huh! (me turned red and don't know what to say)...apparently the players ages were doctored, they were so much older than they were supposed to. my comment to him was really, i don't have any idea..... faet....

[pandisal]

don't worry lindsay... kay tanang nasod naa man gyud nang ma sakpan nang cheat from politics to sports... US bitaw bag'o ra gi strip ug championship sa cycling si Floyd Landis' kay agi sa steroids... the well known defeat of Al Gore ni President Bush... daug gud unta si Al Gore sa Popular vote... pero gi pildi siya sa gitawag nilang "Electoral College"... ka dako ana nga cheating.. lol :P IMHO though....

this is too bad kay maangin lang ang tarong.

my american friend here is a flight attendant who used to live in guam kay iya hubby na station sa military didto. her flights at the that time are fom guam to manila. daghan kaayo sya horrific stories in regards sa mga pinay na iyang ka trabaho. i was actually kind of embarassed but she said she also met a lot who were so nice and honest. in other words not the whole world thinks that all filipinos are cheaters.

another guy that i was talking at work yesterday had a different story. we were talking about the little league baseball series and out of nowhere he ask me where i'm from and i told him from the philippines. then he said to me oh yeah, the philippines won the international liitle series in the early 90's but they were stripped off the title because they cheated....huh! (me turned red and don't know what to say)...apparently the players ages were doctored, they were so much older than they were supposed to. my comment to him was really, i don't have any idea..... faet....

[istoryador]

don't worry lindsay... kay tanang nasod naa man gyud nang ma sakpan nang cheat from politics to sports... US bitaw bag'o ra gi strip ug championship sa cycling si Floyd Landis' kay agi sa steroids... the well known defeat of Al Gore ni President Bush... daug gud unta si Al Gore sa Popular vote... pero gi pildi siya sa gitawag nilang "Electoral College"... ka dako ana nga cheating.. lol :P IMHO though....

About that Bush and Gore episode, it was not cheating. Blame the electoral system in the US. Even if you have more popular votes you lose because what counts is the vote of the electoral college in each state. Yeah there is cheating in other countries because cheating is universal.

But the point is, our reputation as cheaters is way above the rest.

[herzabarJR]

don't worry lindsay... kay tanang nasod naa man gyud nang ma sakpan nang cheat from politics to sports... US bitaw bag'o ra gi strip ug championship sa cycling si Floyd Landis' kay agi sa steroids... the well known defeat of Al Gore ni President Bush... daug gud unta si Al Gore sa Popular vote... pero gi pildi siya sa gitawag nilang "Electoral College"... ka dako ana nga cheating.. lol :P IMHO though....

Better learn about these things before you spew something from your behind. Popular vote does not matter in the US election but the Electoral College... Its not cheating, it has always been that way even since before the Philippines got its independence...
Why do they tend to sway to the Electoral College?? I will share with you the Philippine experience, funny how we keep on saying IMPERIAL MANILA? How MANILA tends to DICTATE the outcome of National Elections when it comes to Presidents and Senators?(Gloria Arroyo was an exception maybe because of Garci?hehehe, but we wonder why dumbfuks like Erap get to be president) If I have my way, we should have an Electoral College.... Lito Osmena brought this up as an alternative to Federalism although he is the MAIN PROPONENT of FEDERALISM... I doubt you know more about these things than Lito....

Now to make things clear for you, if the US does not adhere to ELECTORAL COLLEGE, then CALIFORNIA with a huge population will dictate who will be prez.. Do you think the US is wrong by sticking to Electoral College? Well the US right now has the LARGEST ECONOMY in the WORLD and said to be the engine that runs the WORLD economy, not to mention it is the only Superpower.... Well the Philippines does not follow this concept, yet most people in the world does not even know this country exist... So maybe this is one of the few "things" the US is doing right....

[pandisal]

so harsh word you got there... hurt to my behind... ouch....

yes.. it was my opinion.. it was a principle that people voted for someone... and the other won instead because of the way the election is held... and beside this is widely debated... and my opinion (humbled that is)
that this is a way of potician to cheat were they just focus of those small area were they can gain more electoral college vote rather than letting the whole people on the country understand what theyre compaining for... so if your saying that I don't understand what I'm talking about... well I bow for you coz your more intelligent than me... sorry boss... <sarcasm off>

Better learn about these things before you spew something from your behind. Popular vote does not matter in the US election but the Electoral College... Its not cheating, it has always been that way even since before the Philippines got its independence...
Why do they tend to sway to the Electoral College?? I will share with you the Philippine experience, funny how we keep on saying IMPERIAL MANILA? How MANILA tends to DICTATE the outcome of National Elections when it comes to Presidents and Senators?(Gloria Arroyo was an exception maybe because of Garci?hehehe, but we wonder why dumbfuks like Erap get to be president) If I have my way, we should have an Electoral College.... Lito Osmena brought this up as an alternative to Federalism although he is the MAIN PROPONENT of FEDERALISM... I doubt you know more about these things than Lito....

Now to make things clear for you, if the US does not adhere to ELECTORAL COLLEGE, then CALIFORNIA with a huge population will dictate who will be prez.. Do you think the US is wrong by sticking to Electoral College? Well the US right now has the LARGEST ECONOMY in the WORLD and said to be the engine that runs the WORLD economy, not to mention it is the only Superpower.... Well the Philippines does not follow this concept, yet most people in the world does not even know this country exist... So maybe this is one of the few "things" the US is doing right....

[herzabarJR]

and my opinion (humbled that is)
that this is a way of potician to cheat were they just focus of those small area were they can gain more electoral college vote rather than letting the whole people on the country understand what theyre compaining for... me... sorry boss... <sarcasm off> : sorry boss

So in your "humble" opinion if a politician (US based, national elections) focus on a small area that is cheating Oh how can that be Buddy if that is cheating, then ALL ELECTIONS in the US have been cheated... That has always been that way since the US was born... focusing in particular areas is a STRATEGY... It is not cheating because both protagonist knows this (the Democrats and Republicans)...For California is a DEMOCRAT STRONGHOLD... They have always been against the IDEALS of conservatism or other words the Republican platform, its based on principle... Most Filipinos would Never Understand this because we(not all) sell our votes, most of us lack principle and we are like bamboos...
In a National Election, Republicans will never, never win a NATIONAL ELECTION in CALIFORNIA(Reagan was an exception).. Thats why Bush never bothered to have a "serious" campaign in that state...and in the DEMOCRAT side Gore never even bothered to campaign in Texas because its a given they will LOSE.... and in the same manner Bush did not really have a "serious" campaign in Texas and Gore likewise in California because they know it is already a given that they WILL WIN.... Thats why REAL CAMPAIGNS are fought in BATTLEGROUND STATES or SWING VOTE STATES..... Now tell me both protagonists know about this, they BUILD THEIR STRATEGY around this PRINCIPLE... NOW HOW CAN THAT BE CHEATING
With regards to debates on Electoral College, there has been no real debate about this... You think this is a flaw? Sadly for you buddy, most Americans believe THIS IS THE BEST WAY in a country that practice Federalism.
Their FOREFATHERS (Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc.), which MOST AMERICANS are so proud about, beleive this is the best way too.. Now if there is a REAL DEBATE in doing away with Electoral College, NAME 1 US CONGRESSMAN or SENATOR who passed a BILL doing so I can tell you NONE.... You know why? Because its POLITICAL SUICIDE.....
You think again ELECTORAL COLLEGE is a FLAW Lets talk about our SET UP... AGAIN why is there IMPERIAL MANILA? When was the LAST TIME the Philippines had a president that did not live in the Northern Region of the country? When was the last time we had a CEBUANO, a BOHOLANO as PRESIDENT Gloria Arroyo is a Cebuano? Think again...
Lets see... THE US practices Electoral College, the Philippines do not... In the US there is Political Stability, prosperity, the Philippines has TRAGEDY... Now lets see who is doing right or wrong...
We could not even fix our own ELECTORAL process which SADLY has BECOME a joke, now we are talking about other country's electoral system.... Lets start on our own backyard buddy...

[pandisal]

Sure "buddy"... whatever... (didn't read all your post... wall of text)

oh yah... US voters are open.. you forgot the current governator of california.. is a big republican!....


oh yah.. just read this link about the eletoral college [ google power :mrgreen: ] :


http://www.fairvote.org/op_eds/electoral_college.htm



oh btw, it was just my example/opinion ... mura naman nimo gi dib2x preh.. kalma lang!

So in your "humble" opinion if a politician (US based, national elections) focus on a small area that is cheating Oh how can that be Buddy if that is cheating, then ALL ELECTIONS in the US have been cheated... That has always been that way since the US was born... focusing in particular areas is a STRATEGY... It is not cheating because both protagonist knows this (the Democrats and Republicans)...For California is a DEMOCRAT STRONGHOLD... They have always been against the IDEALS of conservatism or other words the Republican platform, its based on principle... Most Filipinos would Never Understand this because we(not all) sell our votes, most of us lack principle and we are like bamboos...
In a National Election, Republicans will never, never win a NATIONAL ELECTION in CALIFORNIA(Reagan was an exception).. Thats why Bush never bothered to have a "serious" campaign in that state...and in the DEMOCRAT side Gore never even bothered to campaign in Texas because its a given they will LOSE.... and in the same manner Bush did not really have a "serious" campaign in Texas and Gore likewise in California because they know it is already a given that they WILL WIN.... Thats why REAL CAMPAIGNS are fought in BATTLEGROUND STATES or SWING VOTE STATES..... Now tell me both protagonists know about this, they BUILD THEIR STRATEGY around this PRINCIPLE... NOW HOW CAN THAT BE CHEATING
With regards to debates on Electoral College, there has been no real debate about this... You think this is a flaw? Sadly for you buddy, most Americans believe THIS IS THE BEST WAY in a country that practice Federalism.
Their FOREFATHERS (Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc.), which MOST AMERICANS are so proud about, beleive this is the best way too.. Now if there is a REAL DEBATE in doing away with Electoral College, NAME 1 US CONGRESSMAN or SENATOR who passed a BILL doing so I can tell you NONE.... You know why? Because its POLITICAL SUICIDE.....
You think again ELECTORAL COLLEGE is a FLAW Lets talk about our SET UP... AGAIN why is there IMPERIAL MANILA? When was the LAST TIME the Philippines had a president that did not live in the Northern Region of the country? When was the last time we had a CEBUANO, a BOHOLANO as PRESIDENT Gloria Arroyo is a Cebuano? Think again...
Lets see... THE US practices Electoral College, the Philippines do not... In the US there is Political Stability, prosperity, the Philippines has TRAGEDY... Now lets see who is doing right or wrong...
We could not even fix our own ELECTORAL process which SADLY has BECOME a joke, now we are talking about other country's electoral system.... Lets start on our own backyard buddy...