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    Buying/Breeding show Quality Dogs

    Breeders use a number of terms to define show quality animals. Variations of the words "prospect", "potential", etc. are seen many times in advertisements - both on the internet and in newspapers. The following two definitions will help to bring some clarity to this issue.

    Definitions:

    Show Quality: This term should indicate that an animal is worthy of being shown in a Conformation ring. Breeders rarely use this term in conjunction with a young puppy.

    Show Prospect: This term should indicate that a young puppy shows potential to be shown in a conformation ring.


    How does one go about finding a show quality animal?
    Principle 1: It is an EXCEPTION rather than a rule that a good show prospect will be found in a newspaper advertisement. Responsible breeders as a rule do not advertise show quality animals through this type of advertisments. They do not need to do so because they already have show homes for the puppies or are keeping the show prospects for themselves.

    Principle 2: BEWARE...responsible breeders do not advertise "breeding stock" for sale. Not all show breeders are created equal. Some breeders may brag about the number of finished Champions they have bred over the years. Do not take this to automatically infer that these breeders are necessarily responsible. Other breeders may advertise "show prospects" or "show quality" animals but do not show themselves... RUN the other way!!!! Also, be aware that it requires more than ONE Champion in a pedigree to make a star. Champion sire means nothing if the dam is worth nothing.

    How does one become a responsible breeder?
    Patience. Anyone who truly wishes to show and become a responsible breeder needs to know that it will not happen overnight! The following advice is golden: 1. Start saving money, 2. Take the time to be patient, and 3. Study . A thorough knowledge of breed standards, canine genetics and general dog information is invaluable. Subscribe to any breed specific magazines. These are often mines of information. As these magazines are studied be careful not to become blinded by the many ads from some individuals advertising the number of Champions they have finished. Instead, study individual dogs from these and other breeders to determine if they display desirable form. Attend shows and ask questions about individual breeders. But please note... most breeders do not like to bad-mouth other breeders. Read between the lines. Sometimes what is NOT said is worth more than what is!

    Find a mentor. It is extremely helpful to find an experienced breeder who would be willing to help a novice. Locating a good show quality dog is not easy and experienced help can sometimes make all the difference in the world. A good mentor will either be willing to provide a good show quality animal from his/her own breeding stock or actively help in the pursuit of a quality animal. These individuals are willing to work with a novice, help the novice develop skills and deeper understanding of the breed and assist with general canine education. Mentor breeders are an invaluable asset. As time goes on most novices will find themselves having several mentors within the breed.

    Commitment. In an order to obtain a high quality animal the novice must demonstrate a commitment to the showing, breeding, rearing and selling of dogs. No breeder wants to sell a top quality animal to an individual who in six months decides he doesn't want to show anymore. Some novices are interested only in obtaining a dog for show purposes and have no desire to breed. In this case many breeders will still be willing to sell a dog
    that can compete within a ring but not necessarily be the pick of the litter. Occasionally a breeder may be willing to allow a novice to "wet his feet" in the show ring by showing one of the breeder-owned dogs. This allows the novice to find out about how the show world really works and helps in the basic decision of "to show or not to show".

    Show vs. Breeding. Many breeders will attest that obtaining a Championship on a dog does not always mean that it is breeding quality. In some breeds it is fairly easy to finish anything on four legs while with other breeds it is much more difficult. In addition to a Championship title all breeding animals should have been carefully evaluated by a veterinarian and pass all health clearances possible. Breeding mediocre animals is
    easy. Breeding animals of outstanding quality takes commitment. Breeders MUST be their own worst critic!

    Foundation Bitches. This is perhaps the most difficult part of becoming a breeder. An individual's first show animal may not provide a suitable foundation for a future breeding program. Foundation bitches MUST be well-bred, well-formed, and display an outstanding health history. Anything less than this is unacceptable and the future breeder will simply be setting himself up for ultimate failure. A term of "breeding up" is used when lesser quality animals are used as a foundation. It is a time-consuming, costly process. It also unnecessarily increases the dog population. Patricia Craige Trotter, noted judge, author and breeder best said it "...Breeders absolutely must have the following qualifications: knowledge of the general canine physical structure and breed-specific knowledge of that structure; knoweldge of what characteristics constitute breed type and thus
    allow a dog to perform the original function of its breed; and the objectivity to put that knowledge to work in choosing wisely." (AKC Gazette, October 1997, page 24)

    Reputations. Reputations are made, not born. The novice is in control of his own destiny. Each breeder sets up a reputation which may be either good or bad. In the first years most breeders find that people will not be beating down their doors in order to obtain a dog. It is a RARE case that novice individuals will find established breeders wanting their dogs. Many novice individuals will also find that they will have to spend their own money and time in order to obtain Championship titles on the first few litters. Some also experience the loss of "friends" as their skills increase, their show wins increase and their reputation as a fine breeder solidifies. Fine breeders are not in the business of winning popularity contests.

    It is generally regarded that the five year mark is crucial. Once past this anniversary most potential breeders survive and continue on to become established. Many novice individuals never make it past this first stage. Being polite and professional even in the face of criticism goes a long way in the establisment of a reputation as a reputable breeder. Starting out with fine animals is also of prime importance. A program that begins with the breeding of lesser quality animals is doomed almost from the start. Responsible breeders do look at pedigrees and if a dog's pedigree reflects petshop dogs or dogs from irresponsible breeders, they will not want to work with that owner.

    Being a novice is no shame. It is perhaps one of the best times as the burden of responsibility is not as great. As experience is gained so does breed responsibility. (note: this is not to imply any degree of irresponsibility. Breeders are always responsible for the dogs they produce, regardless of experience level.). Furthermore, know right now that learning never stops. Breeders should study other canine breeds as well as their own.

    Breed not for ego. The hallmark of an irresponsibile breeder is one who breeds strictly for the wins and not for the breed. These two things are not necessarily the same thing. A dog whose movement is outstanding but lacks type or breed specific traits should not be added to the breeding pool. A dog that cannot perform its purpose (i.e. hunting, herding, etc.) is, again, breeding for a win and not for the breed. Learning the difference takes time.

    Know the breed. Learn the history of the breed. Novices should know that they cannot go forward without knowing the past.

    The greatest downfall of potential breeders is their failure to study breed standard. This should be studied until it is practically memorized. The application of breed standard to individual dogs is also an indispensable tool in the establishment of a quality breeding program.


    Written by:
    Izat Italian Greyhounds
    Member of the Italian Greyhound Club of America
    Buying/Breeding show Quality Dogs

  2. #242
    i thinks this is the right thread...

    we are planning to but a beagle here sa zamboanga.the breeder sells the dog for only 8K already with papers. i guess you all know na rare lang ang nindot na dogs diri. most of the people who own quality dogs buy them from outside the city.

    i would like to ask the experienced owners of the beagle breed to share important points on how to pick the right pup.i have read a lot from the internet on the "how to pick a pup" and "knowing a quality dog breed" but i would like to know from you guys.

    thank you.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by danoote View Post
    i thinks this is the right thread...

    we are planning to but a beagle here sa zamboanga.the breeder sells the dog for only 8K already with papers. i guess you all know na rare lang ang nindot na dogs diri. most of the people who own quality dogs buy them from outside the city.

    i would like to ask the experienced owners of the beagle breed to share important points on how to pick the right pup.i have read a lot from the internet on the "how to pick a pup" and "knowing a quality dog breed" but i would like to know from you guys.

    thank you.
    this will be of help

    beagle

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    info to those who want to have a pet for the sake of thier children...basi ni sa ako experience ako gibaligya ako shih tzu pup to a couple kay ila little daughter like it so much mag sige na ug hilak, balik2x sa amo para lang jud ma palit ang pup. so ako gi baligya kay interesado jud cla, after a few months ila ipa groom sa akoa, sad to say na grabe na kaayo ang matting sa dog i have no choice but to cut the hair(opaw) na luoy ko sa dog murag naa lang cguro sa gawas sa balay kay pirte ka hugaw... pets are not toys na if di naka ganahan pede na nimo pasagdan nya mga yaya pud nag atiman murag ga atiman ug bisdak na iro na pede lang pasagdan sa gawas... hahai paeta luoya jud sa shih tzu oi... Please lang to those who are planning to have shih tzu pets these dogs needs grooming everyday bcoz of thier long hairs also treat them as part of your family.. thank you...

  5. #245
    precisely! tzus are supposed to be INDOOR pets intawn.
    sus kaluoy lang sa dog na ing-ana ang iya coat.
    kamo kuno walay atiman nga inyu panit galama-lama na lang
    unsa kaha inyo bation? tsk tsk tsk

  6. #246
    i agree with everything you said about buying and selling puppies..but i hate when you said dogs without papers are good as nothing when talking about quality(i rarely use the word hate)..wa ko maigo ky puro pure breed akng mga iro pro when buying a puppy for you to have as a pet and part of your family, pure breed dogs are an advantage in built, coat, drive, etc but there is also no harm in buying dogs without papers(as long as sakto rapd sa price), there are no quality or commonplace dogs, there are no good or bad dogs either, there are only experienced and inexperienced breeders..doesn't matter if your dog is worth 40k with papers or if you have an aspin, if not properly socialized and trained as a puppy, your golden retriever or labrador retriever will bite..awa gd nang mga aspin ga suroy2 lng sa dalan, d man gni na mamaak or mu aw-aw ug agi.an2 nimu..mas mamaak pa cguru na inyong mga chow2 nga tag 30k!!! mka pili d.i ka sa imong mga igsoun ug bati ug nawng good as nothing nlng na cla maikog ka sa mga dog lovers nga walay pili nga bisag aspin dawaton..or sa mga dog lovers nga naay mga pets na without papers, it's like saying their pets are good as nothing..maybe you are priviledged with wealth na mka afford ka but others are not..so next time, choose your words wisely..

    to those who disagree with me, wakoy labot..if you get mad because of this, so be it..this is my opinion and i'm entitled to it..they don't call this 'pet discussion' for nothing..

  7. #247
    i agree with everything you said about buying and selling puppies..but i hate when you said dogs without papers are good as nothing when talking about quality(i rarely use the word hate)..wa ko maigo ky puro pure breed akng mga iro pro when buying a puppy for you to have as a pet and part of your family, pure breed dogs are an advantage in built, coat, drive, etc but there is also no harm in buying dogs without papers(as long as sakto rapd sa price), there are no quality or commonplace dogs, there are no good or bad dogs either, there are only experienced and inexperienced breeders..doesn't matter if your dog is worth 40k with papers or if you have an aspin, if not properly socialized and trained as a puppy, your golden retriever or labrador retriever will bite..awa gd nang mga aspin ga suroy2 lng sa dalan, d man gni na mamaak or mu aw-aw ug agi.an2 nimu..mas mamaak pa cguru na inyong mga chow2 nga tag 30k!!! mka pili d.i ka sa imong mga igsoun ug bati ug nawng good as nothing nlng na cla maikog ka sa mga dog lovers nga walay pili nga bisag aspin dawaton..or sa mga dog lovers nga naay mga pets na without papers, it's like saying their pets are good as nothing..maybe you are priviledged with wealth na mka afford ka but others are not..so next time, choose your words wisely..

    to those who disagree with me, wakoy labot..if you get mad because of this, so be it..this is my opinion and i'm entitled to it..they don't call this 'pet discussion' for nothing..

  8. #248
    your view upon dogs should be like people not based on the papers they have or they don't have..after all, they are man's best friend..

  9. #249
    @ karen kasabot man mi sa imo pasabot but we are talking here about man gud those people na mopalit then e breed lng. usually man gud if for pet dogs lng they should be neutered/spayed. But daghan man gud diri bisan pangpet lng ila dogs ila e breed para maka kwarta lng dili for the betterment of the breed( guilty sad ko ana kato wla pako idea about dogs). This thread helps the newbies to select the right dog for them labi na himoon lng pet and future breeder na makahibalo cya unsa ethical way of breeding sa dogs. If u try to read the title of the thread @ karen its a tips on selling/buying and breeding dogs. Wala man mi nagtalk about anang mamaak/socialization sa imo istorya. Before unta ka react try to read the title and the content of the thread because ur just over reacting. Wala man mi nagcondemn sa mga mixed breed/aspin as long as wla gibreed but we are condeming the wrong practice of selling and breeding the dogs.

  10. #250
    "i agree with everything you said about buying and selling puppies..but i hate when you said dogs without papers are good as nothing when talking about quality"

    when u say quality @ karen this dog/puppy confronts the breed standard and they can be breed,in w/c the mixed breeds and dogs w/o papers dont belong to this term na quality. Mau btaw na ideally the pet ones are to be spayed and neutered kay for family companion ra cla or for pets lng and not for breeding. Wala man nakiglalis nmo about being a dog lover since all of us here are dogs lovers but we just want to emphasize the right way/ethical way or being a responsible dog lovers in terms of selling/buying and breeding dogs. I myself kay guilty ani nga ako mga istorya but its not an end pa naman to start all over again and to be a better dog lover/dog breeder

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