Marvel versus DC

[Blackbeard]

it was an example... iron man is like batman.. smart... it will be more sa battle of the smart fighter..

and it depends in the end, if Batman gets prep or not. if he does, he'll win since he's the best preparation character in fiction. if not, then Iron Man likely wins.

that how i would imagine what will happen if superman tries that move

nah, the Hulk would get wounded if Superman focus fires. unless there's a comic book out there I missed where the Hulk was thrown into the sun and survived.

batman has access to kryptonite

and Superman can lop his head off. Superman's shown a much better resistance to kryptonite these days that a small piece of it won't be enough.

that was not the issue you said "hulk can't change direction in mid air" then i proved you wrong (proof of this.. you are pointing the issue na hulk can't fly which was not the original issue)

but he can't change direction in mid air.

ako nalng ipa klaru kay di man ka maka conceptualize... by the time maka duol na si hulk ni superman (or vice versa)..he's not frozen or anything.. they'll just throw each fist at each other..

downplaying Superman's ice breathe. it's instant, Hulk or anyone will get frozen the instant his breathe touches them. Hulk will break free sure, but Superman will be able to act before that happens. if you didn't know, Superman is really really fast.

READ!!!!! my post.. IF SUPERMAN TRIES THAT WOULD BE THE RESULT

Superman wasn't trying to throw him. Superman wasn't even serious in that image going from his dialogue.

Superman has been hit by slower opponents

Superman holds back against weaker opponents to avoid killing them. without the plot to protect those slower characters, they would be down the instant Superman laid eyes on them.

i could say the same for you

nah, I know what I'm tlaking about.

chicken run...

wut?

OH,i though you know... and you say we don't research.. tsk tsk tsk..

riiiight. you keep saying you know something I don't and just keep it to yourself, lol yeah I believe ya. if you do know, why not say it? or are you afraid that you might actually be wrong? lol that's pretty funny. might as well stfu if you weren't sure.

fail attempts already.. there's a way... look deeper..

anything else?

will be waiting

I already did in that link to KMC. there are scans taken from comic books in those threads for the purpose of reference.

does not matter

yeah, Rogue does not matter. she looses quite easily.

because of speed wonder woman has been hit by slower goons (de javu much with this phrase?)

same reason as Superman. convenience of plot and holding back.

that's a tough...

I know.

from my experience if mo init gud ang thread as in.. you know the mods usually locks it up.. i want to hear options from other pips too.. about the whole DC vs Marvel thing pud..

aww, they're pretty boring.

by the way, abi nako balik ta uno? kapoy nabaya ning tagas na post ui lol.

[Blackbeard]

@Blackbeard

KMC? a forum like Istorya.net? hmmmmm... hehehehe.... wala lang natawa lang ako i thought it was a DC site... can you differentiate forum like KMC or Istorya from Wikipedia and DC Site and Marvel site?... Google is the number 1 Search Engine on the planet (reality not in the comics), would Google make Wikipedia known and almost number 1 in all topics being searched sa Internet if dili sya reliable? think about it...

they post scans taken from the comic books in those threads. so they're tantamount to being "official" on the basis that the scans are from DC comic books there's also Marvel there if you look around.

ive seen photos of Wonder Woman, she is definitely strong no doubt about that but Rogue doesnt possess superhuman strength only but she has absorbing powers that could be deadly to some mutants or even cosmic beings. and you cant deny the fact na sa series ng Justice League sa tv na medyo naay flaw sab si Wonder Woman, even weak villains can harm (lightly or strongly) her even without powers, how much more mutants with one of a kind power?

yes. comic Wonder Woman stomp Rogue's face into the ground Gambit wouldn't want anything to do with her anymore.

i guess you forgot to read this:

"by the way, wer did u get na si Rogue mo absorb lang ug mutant powers? kani ako ni nabasahan - certain extraordinarily powerful beings have proven resistant to Rogue's power, and she may only share part of their memories and power, as was the case when Rogue once attempted to absorb power from the alien Magus... Magus is a cosmic being. she may not absorb entire memories and power but she may only have share part, and again, Wonder Woman is not a god, gift from god is different from a god, hope you get that?"

well, since I'm getting tired of arguing this point, and you can never give me any proof that Rogue can absorb magic, I'm just going to go and reply with "Wonder Woman outright destroys her becuase she's faster, stronger blah blah blah" to every post about her absorption powers.

yes, Diana was trained in Amazon, and as we know sya ang pinaka the best sa ila tanan, but have u forgotten my post about superhuman combat abilities of Sunfire?

Kani lang jud ako point bro, if Superman versus Wonder Woman of course Wonder Woman has a chance coz of strength, durability, speed, endurance, she has it, if Wonder Woman versus Rogue well same powers - strength, durability, endurance, speed (speed of light) BUT BUT BUT does Superman have power and memory absorption? sumbagay lang match match jud but naa man gud lain power si Rogue mao didto ko sa iyang side, simple as that. dont just say sumbag lang K.O. na si Rogue because it will NEVER happen, kc pag ganun daghan unta namatay na mga Justice League heroines and villains kay Wonder Woman alone, right? and if kusgan lang na character nakalaban ni Rogue daghan na sab and she is nearly indestructible, di lng si Wonder Woman ang kusgan daghan pa, take note of that....

Wonder Woman is stronger, faster, tougher, more skilled than the Rogue though. Rogue is strong in her own right, but there is always someone above you and in this case that's Wonder Woman. sheesh, go check the link and look at the scans and see how wrong you are.

damages? how about YOU saying it was all wrong about Spectre in Wikipedia, so you think it wont damage their character?

what, I damaged his character by saying Wikipedia is wrong? lol
what I'm saying is, and this was the point I argued against was, Spectre can himself act independently of the Presence. and he can, while Wiki said otherwise, amirite?

because in Day of Vengeance, when he was seduced by Eclipso lol, he went out and started destroying one god after another and beating the crap out of the good guys. it was only until the balance of the Universe was broken did the Presence actually gave a damn what the heck he was doing.

One of Superman's weaknesses is magic, should I elaborate more?

Son of Odin and Gaea (Earth goddess)... a lot of magics involved that you could never imagine...did u read my post about God Blast (which taps into Thor's life force and has driven back a weakened Galactus) and Thermo-blast (which has challenged Ego the Living Planet) moon lang? compared ni Galactus and Ego - living planet think about it... Thor even have energy projection and absorption and matter manipulation. And Anti-Force

Thermo- Blast - Thor has the ability to produce a Universe shaking thermo-blast capable of decimating even entire planets and beings as powerful as Ego the living planet.

Anti-Force - Thor is capable of producing an indescribably powerful blast known as the Anti-Force which is capable of annihilating entire planets. This blast is so powerful that with just a single emission, Thor was capable of putting down and seemingly killing the powerful entity known as Mangog himself.

aside from those majestic powers, Thor is Master Combatant (trained in Asgard - place of gods) kana bilib man jud kag hundred of years na training, dili lng Amazon ha BUT Asgard daghan mga gods nagpuyo, and Thor is Master Tactician.

the thing is, Thor's current magic levels won't be enough. sure he can hurt Superman with it, but more than likely Superman will dodge it and he will be forced to fight hand to hand, and while he may be slightly better trained Superman is stronger, tougher and faster. if he was Rune King Thor or Odinforce Thor he'd just destroy Superman, unfortunately for him he's lost all of that power.

and again, you are so impressed with gods helping Diana, how about Thor - thunder god - the son of Odin and Earth goddess?

where did I say the gods would help Diana again? all I ever said was her powers were from the gods and absorbing it might not be a good idea.

its funny how a great character, Amazon princess, superb strength, master combatant, etc na isahan sa usa ka tao? again, TAO LANG... and now si Rogue iyang kontra with a speed of light nakuha niya kay Ms.Marvel? hmmmm...

yes, that's called plot induced stupidity. for the sake of story, all fictional characters tend to do stupid things.

i have been working with the Internet and if Wikipedia is outdated and unreliable, well, it could have some damage to Google try to read sa taas nalang kay magbalik balik ko.

outdated, lacking and unreliable. I should know, I read frickin comics ffs.

it wasnt my intention, honestly. BUT if you are right give me proofs like links in a reliable site (DC site, lets forget about Wiki nalang, DC site ta dayun) proving that I was wrong all along.

DC and Marvel for that matter hardly provide any thing other than a basic rundown of their characters' powers. while a good source for the casual fan, if you don't read comics you'll be pretty much left in the dark and looking like a fool if you get into these internet vs battles. hence, KMC as well as a number of other sites(though KMC is the most reliable), has provided some comic book pages for reference.

[Blackbeard]

well, I'll concede the point of her absorbing magic

bottom panel.

that still doesn't help her chances since Wonder Woman has the advantage in speed, strength etc. even if Rogue is fully naked(yeah!), Wonder Woman can just kick her or use her weapons/equipment against her. no skin to skin contact(though it'd be nice to see it happen, if you get my drift hehe).

[Blackbeard]

Hulk getting cut by a sword from his son(yes Hulk has a kid lol but it's a tragic story)

Spoiler! 

so, contrary to what you guys think the Hulk can be hurt/wounded even. and this is still Hulk in his World War Hulk levels, Skaar his son is much weaker than him.

Superman on the other hand..

Spoiler! 

tanks this:

crushed between New Genesis and Apokolips.

and he can throw punches that can destroy dwarf planets and that's just him holding back. he gets serious later, but Konvict is one tough cookie.

bonus feat for Wonder Woman related to the Superman pic

Spoiler! 

she knocks the wind right out of him. doing that to a guy who can take Superman's planet busting punches. Rogue definitely gets one shotted.

[P-Chan]

and it depends in the end, if Batman gets prep or not. if he does, he'll win since he's the best preparation character in fiction. if not, then Iron Man likely wins.

this is what i'm talking about batman.. he fights, analyze, think tactics then attack again...

nah, the Hulk would get wounded if Superman focus fires. unless there's a comic book out there I missed where the Hulk was thrown into the sun and survived.

Fantastic Four #435 (2006); World War Hulk #2 (2007); Incredible Hulk Annual 1997

[QUOTE=Blackbeard;8663843]and Superman can lop his head off. Superman's shown a much better resistance to kryptonite these days that a small piece of it won't be enough. [/qutoe]

lately I don't see DC villains using kryptonite, I don't know about lex, but i'm sure batman keeps a "just in case" supply

but he can't change direction in mid air.

actually he can with a subtle thunder clap


[QUOTE=Blackbeard;8663843]downplaying Superman's ice breathe. it's instant, Hulk or anyone will get frozen the instant his breathe touches them. Hulk will break free sure, but Superman will be able to act before that happens. if you didn't know, Superman is really really fast. [QUOTE=Blackbeard;8663843]

Just before Juggernaut joined the X-men Iceman fought him and tried to freeze him and Juggernaut just busted right through it. If he could do that in his weakened state I imagine Hulk could as well...

p.s. I understand now the ice breath in superman vs. wonder woman (but seriously now.. how could he hit a girl?)

Superman wasn't trying to throw him. Superman wasn't even serious in that image going from his dialogue.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.. NAKA SABAOT KO.. わかる..

sabta daw ni IF MO GRAB SI SUPERMAN NI HULK MOST LIKELY INGON ANI ANG RESULT

any more of this stupid $#!t means you fail...

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nah, I know what I'm tlaking about.

you don't sound like you know..

wut?

that's no fun

[QUOTE=Blackbeard;8663843]riiiight. you keep saying you know something I don't and just keep it to yourself, lol yeah I believe ya. if you do know, why not say it? or are you afraid that you might actually be wrong? lol that's pretty funny. might as well stfu if you weren't sure.

anything else?[/qutoe]

HAHA! I know something about superman that you don't know.. (it's a sure hit against the hulk.. obviously I won't tell duh... )

I already did in that link to KMC. there are scans taken from comic books in those threads for the purpose of reference.

found it at Wonder Woman #229 <-- she gains more strength goes berserk but funny how easy it was to bring her back..

same reason as Superman. convenience of plot and holding back.

he's always holding back (i've seen him "snap" though.. i have to admit.. pretty tough without kryptonite gg tingali ang DC)

by the way, abi nako balik ta uno? kapoy nabaya ning tagas na post ui lol.

shall we? if so sa.on man pud ni natoh?

[P-Chan]

Hulk getting cut by a sword from his son(yes Hulk has a kid lol but it's a tragic story)

Spoiler! 

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wolverine cutted his eyeballs out... no biggie.. if you read the comics you can find a way to eliminate the hulk..

so, contrary to what you guys think the Hulk can be hurt/wounded even. and this is still Hulk in his World War Hulk levels, Skaar his son is much weaker than him

no one ever believed that the hulk can't bleed or be hurt.. he has been hurt/wounded countless times... everyone knows that.. I think it's the other way around.. never seen superman get hurt/wounded.. only on rare "occasions"..



^^ and I suppose to think that's ketchup coming out of superman?

[ohohoy]

naa si superman, hahaha..

[Blackbeard]

this is what i'm talking about batman.. he fights, analyze, think tactics then attack again...

and Iron Man also does the same.

for Batman to win or stand a chance, either he gets prep or the fight takes place in a city. if not then IM will kick his butt.

Fantastic Four #435 (2006); World War Hulk #2 (2007); Incredible Hulk Annual 1997

you're going to have to post the scan. but then Wolverine can hurt him, so lol. it wouldn't matter. heh even Cap has KO'd him at one point or another.

lately I don't see DC villains using kryptonite, I don't know about lex, but i'm sure batman keeps a "just in case" supply

pointlessly. unless he has a mountain sized kryptonite, which he doesn't.

actually he can with a subtle thunder clap

and he can shift multiple directions? 2 or 3 or 4 or more times? and it seems like it's not a trick he can use more than once on an enemy since they would be aware of it.

Just before Juggernaut joined the X-men Iceman fought him and tried to freeze him and Juggernaut just busted right through it. If he could do that in his weakened state I imagine Hulk could as well...

well, I didn't say Hulk can't break out of it. I said Superman would hurl him to the next galaxy before he breaks free.

p.s. I understand now the ice breath in superman vs. wonder woman (but seriously now.. how could he hit a girl?)

heh, I thought you guys were ignoring the scans I was positing.
well, he was "controlled" by Maxwell Lord(which took him many years to do) into thinking that Wonder Woman was Doomsday, and that she killed Lois.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.. NAKA SABAOT KO.. わかる..

sabta daw ni IF MO GRAB SI SUPERMAN NI HULK MOST LIKELY INGON ANI ANG RESULT

any more of this stupid $#!t means you fail...

I'm not the one flaming here.

like I've been saying, if Superman is serious and grabs the Hulk that won't be the result. but in the image you posted, he wasn't. he just wanted to stop the man from ruining a barbecue lol.

and sorry, don't speak moon though lol at flaming me in Japanese.

you don't sound like you know..

nah, I do.

that's no fun

wut?

HAHA! I know something about superman that you don't know.. (it's a sure hit against the hulk.. obviously I won't tell duh... )

lol duh, because you don't know. sorry that tactic won't work.

found it at Wonder Woman #229 <-- she gains more strength goes berserk but funny how easy it was to bring her back..

she didn't go berserk. what are you talking about?

she put down Rama(who was powered by the forces of Chaos) and stopped using the Godwave before it took control of her.

he's always holding back (i've seen him "snap" though.. i have to admit.. pretty tough without kryptonite gg tingali ang DC)

nah, there are beings higher than him that can put him down if he goes rogue.

shall we? if so sa.on man pud ni natoh?

ask gatsby, this thread was his oh so brilliant idea.

[Blackbeard]

wolverine cutted his eyeballs out... no biggie.. if you read the comics you can find a way to eliminate the hulk..

lol I wasn't going to bring Wolverine up. well, if someone like Wolverine can hurt him(and he has stabbed him not just in the eyes), then Superman can easily handle this. concession accepted.

no one ever believed that the hulk can't bleed or be hurt.. he has been hurt/wounded countless times... everyone knows that.. I think it's the other way around.. never seen superman get hurt/wounded.. only on rare "occasions"..

yes, well Superman body is so tough it can withstand energies that can wipe half the galaxy so obviously seeing him in a bad state is quite rare.

^^ and I suppose to think that's ketchup coming out of superman?

Doomsday being one of those few strong enough that can actually hurt Superman.

Death of Superman was a stupid comic book.

[gatsby]

@Blackbeard

nice photos about Rogue... nice line also :

"the punch nearly finished me, Rogue strength is awesome..." see? another proof, she even fought with Gladiator - a cosmic being, the leader of Imperial Guards...

now for sure you know how strong Rogue is... Wonder Woman fighting Superman? well, Rogue just fought with Thor also... now, if ingun ana ka weak si Rogue dugay unta sya na down but still she fought with those guys from Avengers. she didn't win (i believe) but she prove herself that she is strong and has powers that no other character nor DC or Marvel has... sumbagun ni Wonder Woman si Rogue ma KO na daun KO na unta pud mga weaker villains and heroines, hahahaha.... magic? well, Magus is more than a magic, he is a cosmic being (again and again)...

what, I damaged his character by saying Wikipedia is wrong? lol
what I'm saying is, and this was the point I argued against was, Spectre can himself act independently of the Presence. and he can, while Wiki said otherwise, amirite?

yes it did destroy or damaged the character because YOU said the information WIKI has is wrong, so obviously theyre (WIKI) killing or damaging Spectre's character for giving wrong information, right? why did DC not care about it? maybe because WIKI is right... WIKI is all around the web, DC should have corrected the information since they DIDNT, they agree what is written in WIKI...

Wonder Woman is stronger, faster, tougher, more skilled than the Rogue though. Rogue is strong in her own right, but there is always someone above you and in this case that's Wonder Woman. sheesh, go check the link and look at the scans and see how wrong you are.

both are strong, Rogue has the strength of Ms. Marvel, speed of light, fighting skills from Sunfire AND the absorbing power which is her advantage over Wonder Woman. Scans? how about Justice League, i always watch that show on TV, dont tell me Justice League series on TV is WRONG also? hmmmmm... magkatawa lang ko sa imong reason na Rogue can't touch Diana when a lot of weaker villains touched her even controlled her. ingun pa gani ka

Rogue won't be able to touch Diana. Rogue isn't fast enough to tag someone who can move at speeds faster than the speed of light.

well Rogue moves at the speed of light, she got it from ms.Marvel.... if ganun no one can touch Diana sa Justice LEague even simple humans in a battle pero ur wrong. hehe... you even said hypsesonic lang speed ni Ms. Marvel? youre wrong because she has a light speed travel and the ability to exist in the vacuum of space were also possible...

mao bitaw ingun ko nimo daghan kog sources and i weigh all the sources like sa comics very powerful but sa TV dili, sa WIKI medium lang, if DC has a site like Marvel has, it would be great, so you really has to balance it. i guess di man cguro mo sugot ang DC ipasalida ang Justice League if dili na mao ilang powers, right? DONT take 1 source only...

yes, that's called plot induced stupidity. for the sake of story, all fictional characters tend to do stupid things.

thats why - DONT take 1 source only... coz i know Wonder Woman is strong, if sa TV lng nko i base, ana ka stupid si Wonder Woman, ana ka weak si Wonder Woman, hope you get my point about getting different sources...

the thing is, Thor's current magic levels won't be enough. sure he can hurt Superman with it, but more than likely Superman will dodge it and he will be forced to fight hand to hand, and while he may be slightly better trained Superman is stronger, tougher and faster. if he was Rune King Thor or Odinforce Thor he'd just destroy Superman, unfortunately for him he's lost all of that power.

with all the powers i have stated still not enough? the God blast? the Thermo-blast that can even challenge Ego the living planet? hahahaha... the son of Odin and Earth's goddess Gaea? the Thunder God doesnt have enough powers to defeat a kryptonian? na naay weaknessess like kryptonite and magic? hmmmmm... over ka na Superman ha, namatay man gani ka, hehehehehe....

outdated, lacking and unreliable. I should know, I read frickin comics ffs.

well, go change, edit, revise WIKI because you are more updated and reliable than them... no offense ha... pero WIKI is all over the web, most of the time number 1 sa Google when you search topics, they wont be number 1 just for nothing... just being compared to a forum? a fanmade site? yes they have scans from a comic, but which is more updated, which is recently taken, comics ba or Justice League sa TV? now tell me who is outdated here? but im not saying to set aside the comics because i do to have comics and based my sources there but again, we have to WEIGH all the sources and NOT just 1. hope im clear.

DC and Marvel for that matter hardly provide any thing other than a basic rundown of their characters' powers. while a good source for the casual fan, if you don't read comics you'll be pretty much left in the dark and looking like a fool if you get into these internet vs battles. hence, KMC as well as a number of other sites(though KMC is the most reliable), has provided some comic book pages for reference.

so you mean, we will set aside TV and Internet and based all information sa comics alone?