Why pop-control is not the Solution to Poverty

[masakiton]

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Easy for you to say.

Technically dli man overpopulated ang Philippines if basehan tong number of people/km of land, or something ingon ana nga equation. But wala'y mopuyo sa bukid, and instead naa na sila tanan sa cities.

ka daghanan sa mga suok nga parts sa pilipinas naa pud baya mga schools
ang ka daghanan sa students pud sa bukid kai willing mo lakaw ug pila ka oras aron lang maka eskwela.

naa naman jud ang infrastructure.. ipa improve nalang unta sa atong government

kung walai ganahan mo puyo sa bukid ... dapat dili naka kita ug taw sa ato ka bukiran
mo lugsong sila sa city para maka hatag sila ug maayong kinabuhi sa mga na bilin sa probinsya
.. naka daut lang.. kasagaran sa ila edcational background is not enough to para ma qualified sila sa trabaho nga medyo dako2x ug sweldo


1. daghan anak = mag lisod pa eskwela ang parents
2. wala proper education = lisod maka trabaho
3. lisod maka trabaho = minus ug income
4. kung walai trabaho = dili kaayo stressed ang body and mind = mag himo ug bata
back to #1

[FranZeno]

In an ideal scenario we can do all solutions mentioned above. But you have to work within our financial constraints and be realistic.

We can dream up all sorts of solutions to bring us to utopia but we have to consider the current state of our country and the limited financial resources available.

Also, its not just congress's job to think up of bills / laws to pass. Its primarily the people's lobbying for bills that motions the lawmakers to pass these bills being the voice of the people.

The very mindset nga "leave it to the congressmen" is the reason why these people in congress abuse their position. That is whats wrong with this country. People should hold their representatives accountable for decisions they make as congressmen are essentially our representatives in government.

People have to recognize that they have the power to influence their congressman's voting behavior. Mao gyud na' ang pinaka important thing to know. Knowing this makes congressmen the voice of the people and not just a bunch of politicians with their own agenda and only after pork barrel.

Bro, I've been reading your posts and even halfway through I found that you are barking at your own tree.

Here:

You were saying that we should be the one's to think og bill and "suggest" it to our officials:

Spoiler! 

In an ideal scenario we can do all solutions mentioned above. But you have to work within our financial constraints and be realistic.

We can dream up all sorts of solutions to bring us to utopia but we have to consider the current state of our country and the limited financial resources available.

Also, its not just congress's job to think up of bills / laws to pass. Its primarily the people's lobbying for bills that motions the lawmakers to pass these bills being the voice of the people.

The very mindset nga "leave it to the congressmen" is the reason why these people in congress abuse their position. That is whats wrong with this country. People should hold their representatives accountable for decisions they make as congressmen are essentially our representatives in government.

People have to recognize that they have the power to influence their congressman's voting behavior. Mao gyud na' ang pinaka important thing to know. Knowing this makes congressmen the voice of the people and not just a bunch of politicians with their own agenda and only after pork barrel.

Let's say we did as you said, "suggest", but then surely this is what happens:

Spoiler! 

You also assume that tarong atong tanan government officials. For me, the problem is a lack of true representation sa congress. Otherwise, we would have passed the reproductive health bill and freedom of information act already.

We cannot blame ourselves here, we voted for the officials because of the [false] promises, but then again, it's just their way of buying our votes.

We make the diagnosis, like you said, we are the laboratories and we give the result to the doctors (that's the govt), now it's up to the doctors to prescribe the right medication, they can always decide to cure it symptomatically and wait for the disease to disappear itself, or go straight to curing the cause itself.

Have you ever heard of writing a letter to your local official.... people in more developed countries do it... and their representatives listen to them... dili ra dapat sa election kutob atong mindset kay sa election ra sad kutob mag tarong mga politicians.

This is what utopia is, government officials listening to what the people has to say (or rather just listening to what their party members order them to do and forget about the people).

Now, don't you think of all millions of Filipinos out there, not even 1 already suggested/submitted what they want for the country, what laws/bills are needed to be passed. There has to be at least 5 people per congressman who does submit it to them, it reaches them, then what happens?


In short bro, ngtuyok2 ra ka...well, anyway, ikaw bro, unsa mn imo m.suggest na bill to the congressmen to answer overpopulation?

[RMK711]

What's your point emow? Is rural to urban migration only something that happens in the Philippines? It happens everywhere, but not every country is overpopulated. Overpopulation is simple, you are trying to make a simple topic complicated. It means there are more people than a country can presently provide for. It doesn't matter what the cause is, corruption, bad governance, wrong system etc. We are overpopulated because our government, for whatever reason, is unable to provide for everyone. That's it. It doesn't matter where those people live. This congestion you are talking about is funny, because then by your definition, every big city is congested which is just not true.

Overpopulation is not about potential, it's not about what the country, theoretically, can support. Sure, if we had the best government, with the smartest people, who never make mistakes, then it's possible the Philippines can support even 1 billion people. But let's deal with reality, not fantasy. Our government is not the best, they aren't very smart, and they make lots of mistakes. That's what we work with. So if you only realized that and live in the real world, you might get what overpopulation really is. A simple concept. It means too many people.

[FranZeno]

IMO, it's not overpopulation, it's over-congestion.

Just make more schools, make more hospitals, make more jobs, make more housing projects/shelters. Simple.

Do I think it's easy? Yes. If the government just knows which to prioritize, because I don't know how they do the budgetting, but the solutions are just those above.

Again, IMO. =)

[vipvip68]

can you please answer me these question:

WHY WOULD PEOPLE CHOSE TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY ??

The reason people choose to live in the city is to seek better education, healthcare and employment opportunities.

Mindset of overpopulation as person/sqm is an old school view as most cities are already building vertically to negate the land area restriction. I would determine overpopulation as average income per capita per congressional district as it takes into account the population with respect to the earning potential of each individual.

[RMK711]

IMO, it's not overpopulation, it's over-congestion.

Just make more schools, make more hospitals, make more jobs, make more housing projects/shelters. Simple.

Do I think it's easy? Yes. If the government just knows which to prioritize, because I don't know how they do the budgetting, but the solutions are just those above.

Again, IMO. =)

Throughout all the history of the Philippines as a democracy have we ever had a government that knows how to prioritize? I think we need to work with what we have, that is a rotten system and government that is broken and won't be repaired even after several generations. In the meantime, this thing you call overcongestion is overpopulation.

Make more schools, hospitals, more jobs. Where are you gonna get the money for all that? What country do you think you're living in, Switzerland

[masakiton]

The reason people choose to live in the city is to seek better education, healthcare and employment opportunities.

to seek better education = kasagaran kai ang bread winner man mo langyaw i bilin ang pamilya sa probinsya

live in the city is to seek better healthcare = kasgaran taga probinsya dili man maka afford. for example sa vicente sotto hospital.. igo ra mo adto sa syudad para mag pa tambal ug pa check up.. mo uli ra pud dayon

to seek better employment opportunities = murag kini man ang main reason. ka daghanan pud kai dili kaayo properly educated mao nang mag lisod pangita trabaho. kasgaran pud kai maka uyab/minyo ug taga probinsya pud nga naningpad sa sydad (almost the same educational background).

give a man a fish and he will live for a day, teach a man to fish and he will live for the rest of his life

[masakiton]

Make more schools, hospitals, more jobs. Where are you gonna get the money for all that? What country do you think you're living in, Switzerland

education is a long term investment jud.. pero when theres a will theres a way
ang future sa pilipinas naka salalay sa mga government officials nga gibutaran sa kadaghanan

[boom_box]

God created man.
Man created condoms.
Therefore…

[RMK711]

education is a long term investment jud.. pero when theres a will theres a way
ang future sa pilipinas naka salalay sa mga government officials nga gibutaran sa kadaghanan

What I'm suggesting is that instead of making more schools, roads, housing for a population that keeps soaring, we could instead invest more in the schools we already have.

What's the use of building more substandard schools with undertrained teachers, classrooms with leaking roofs and books with spelling errors. This whole idea that we can just spend our way out of overpopulation is just stupid. Overpopulation is a simple problem with a simple solution. Overpopulated? Cut down population growth. How hard is that for people to understand?