I AM God and Everything is God?

[Count of Monte Cristo]

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so that means life cannot exist without a creator..

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." -Voltaire

[treize]

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." -Voltaire

That's an IF.. and you really believe in this kind of statement?

[jeremiahjay]

You're a God and I'm not...And I just thought that you would know..

I was never a god and so is everybody else...there is only one God and the God in my bible...

[Sinyalan]

god's engine won't work w/o intelligent personal being.

the article in your link does not support your philosophy. The Mycoplasma bacteria they used is already alive, meaning there was already life. they had only modify life not create.

It's a synthetic life (Man-made), someone intelligent is working behind the manipulation therefore proving my point that life cannot be created w/o an intelligent being.

it points to a personal God. that's what your link has proven.

Intelligent personal being? now, you're creating new words!

Life created without an intelligent being? Do you have proof of this claim?

[silent-kill]

no you got it wrong. He said I am the beginning not that he has a beginning. yeah that's my type of argument. I'm not bending it, im giving it to you loud and clear.

what ever dude

sure i heard you. I know exactly what you mean. but you fail to see one reality, the engine contain lots of information and laws that points to a mind.

sure my God has a mind. ah this is where you fail. Mind and brain is different. try this exercise...close your eyes...observe your thoughts...you just shut down your eyes...but your thought is still working...can you sense the observer?...the one observing the thoughts? that's the mind i'm talking about. now this illustration is on the human level.

ok, give an example on who has a mind but doesn't have a brain.
when you close your eyes its just your brain functioning.
can you separate the brain from the mind? not possible!

ah so you believe in spirit? As i've said God is a person but not human. Yes he has emotion because he is a person but unlike human emotion it is not subject to illusion and human frailty.

now you are assuming that i believe spirits because i mention it read it again.

you always equate person to a human being w/c i say yes it is true that humans are person or persons can be human but God is a person and not human. Philosophy can validate this claim w/c is,to remind you,person refers to attributes not biology therefore my usage of this term and definition is legal meaning it is valid. I can use the word person to refer to attributes. So forcing the issue that person is equal to human(biological) is futile. although I am not restraining you from using it but the pursue of such manipulation can lead to logical fallacy, misrepresentation.

yeah do i dont make the dictionary, so go figure. what you really mean is that your god is a conscious-being its that simple. is an alien a person? no lol its an alien

yeah god is the programmer and a programmer is a person. I did? I got the illustration perfectly. you didn't mention any SIM lol. relax man. a pancake with butter and honey is perfect bu you need intelligence to make it really good.

read again dude, you know what a sim is? you know what i mean when i say 'virtual universe?'

I have read it many years ago. It was an experiment and a failure...read Louis Pasteur. He smashed this theory to the ground.

well, unless you can provide proof to this then its just another thing that you cant prove.

you know why? because, Louis Pasteur lived December 27, 1822 – September 28, 1895
the experiment was conducted 1952 that is like 57 years after his death.


yea sure, this is a discussion and we exchange ideas right? no?

it's a different government man. lol! maybe there is work but not like what we have here. yeah yeah..earth is a corrupted version of heaven.

well that still sucks

I see, so define nothingness.

well i guess i have to use your technique its kinda out of topic (yea i know i asked you that question)

those proofs were already disproven.I never discounted changes, what i am pushing is hose changes happened because of interaction of informations in dna,and dna has information and instructions that points to an intelligent Mind.

prove it, give me links

human intelligence is imperfect my friend God's is perfect. Look around the universe is governed by laws and instructions, physics can attest to that. take ffor example the earth, it is not too near the sun or else it will burn no too far or else we all be in darkness. Then look at its composition, the water,oxygen,heat,gases...all in the right amount to sustain and create life. Now that requires intelligence. Impersonal god? nah...its DUMB.

did you define perfect already if not can you define it?
can you test your claims about the conscious/personal god?
can you pray really really really hard, so that you can fly, if it works let me know, that would be the most awesome personal god.

knowledge is acquired through learning and mistakes not intelligence, you must learn proper context. hehe!

LOL

oi, hahaha..mora ko og bata...simplisic...haha..ok..salamat, don't get PERSONAL remember youre an energy and energy has no emotions.

yeah you are a energy too, vibrating energy in fact, ask your physics teacher.
everything is interconnected, but you view it in a very simple way that you disregard the layer of abstractions that is why you cant understand.

[saitohkiyohiru]

Hmmm..great to see that you guys are doing a great job of complicating things. Lupad na man bisan asa ang discussion. Naa pa mga energy2x ug unsa pa. Great battle of words and reasoning. Neither side seems to be faltering. So the battle is decided by who ever doesn't give up. But then again that makes neither sides correct nor incorrect at the same time. This is an act of God. Some will agree and some will dispute me. Bu no matter what happens, I am right.

[Soul Doctor]

I see. Im with you.

Im a Christian,this bothers me cos remember in the bible when Adam and Eve were tempted by the Devil/Snake, the bribe was...You can be like God. The Devil himself when he started the rebellion he said... I want to be like El Elyon(God almighty)...he was aiming for the throne he wanted to be God.

So this philosophy I AM God is nothing really but the first bribe of Satan and until now he is offering it to the sons of Adam.

I am surprised you believe in satan, and adam and eve.

if you believe they are real then i would not want to discuss anything with you.

[McVos]

ok, give an example on who has a mind but doesn't have a brain.
when you close your eyes its just your brain functioning.
can you separate the brain from the mind? not possible!

that's because your thinking in physical terms. there are cases of clinically dead people who told stories about glorious places they've seen after they regained their consciousness miraculously.

before this part goes off topic, let me remind that the Mind I was referring o in our previous discussion is God's. God is Spirit.

now you are assuming that i believe spirits because i mention it read it again.

read it again, there was a question mark.

yeah do i dont make the dictionary, so go figure. what you really mean is that your god is a conscious-being its that simple. is an alien a person? no lol its an alien

I got it figured bro. Yeah My God is a conscious being and a person. don't left that out.

read again dude, you know what a sim is? you know what i mean when i say 'virtual universe?'

ow read again your post before your post on SIM analogy. you never mentioned SIM. come on be honest bro.

well, unless you can provide proof to this then its just another thing that you cant prove.

ow it was I who ask for proof didn't I? all you gave is a link? Is link a proof? Do you know that in a discussion/debate it's wrong to give links when you are ask to give a proof? I want you to explain to me your position, just because the link say "abiogenesis" means, that it would qualify as the infallible truth, explain it to me, let's see if you have understood the facts behind abiogenesis is. tha's how it works. if you keep on doing that you violate another logical fallacy w/c is Appealing to Authority.

in case you don't know what that means read this...An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:

Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
Person A makes claim C about subject S.
Therefore, C is true.

you know why? because, Louis Pasteur lived December 27, 1822 – September 28, 1895
the experiment was conducted 1952 that is like 57 years after his death.

ow just give me your facts,explain it. remember... appealing to authority?

yea sure, this is a discussion and we exchange ideas right? no?

yeah and where is your explanation?

well that still sucks

ow another fallacy. hehehe...oo many violations eh? In yor previous posts you also did...Ad hominem...here is an example: I figured that you couldn't possibly get it right, so I ignored your comment. hahahaha.

well i guess i have to use your technique its kinda out of topic (yea i know i asked you that question)

well you started it, did you not? hehe.

prove it, give me links

ever wonder why i don't give links? that's because I don't want to violate the rules of argument, Appealing to Authority?

did you define perfect already if not can you define it?
can you test your claims about the conscious/personal god?
can you pray really really really hard, so that you can fly, if it works let me know, that would be the most awesome personal god.

Perfect means whole,sinless,holy. ow no, violation again.

LOL

yeah LOL!

yeah you are a energy too, vibrating energy in fact, ask your physics teacher.
everything is interconnected, but you view it in a very simple way that you disregard the layer of abstractions that is why you cant understand.

you got it wrong man. I am made up of energy not that I am energy. I just showed you that is impossible o make a pancake w/o a personal being working behind.

[McVos]

you did not understand... you always equate god with God. read carefully my statement: gods will attain perfection here to UNITE with God and not to become God... a part can never become the whole

it is like a family as a unit... you send out all the members of the family to school, become professionals, become successful financially then that family mag reunion dayon then makita unsa ka nindot ug successful ang family... this is just an example, don't take it literally... basin ipareha napud na nimo nga ikaw mahimong imong pamilya

acquiring good karmas is just the first step to perfection, there are still more things to be done

ah you should have told me earlier. I thought you are one of those people whose goal is to become God. They said they were God before then got amnesia broke into pieces and must do certain practices acquire good karmas to reach perfection-GOD.

I have no question regarding your belief in connection to the subject that I want to discuss if that's what you mean then so be it but it doesn't mean that I am for it.

again, you equate god with God and a part with the whole, ikaw ra ang galisod lisod, actually kita ra gyung duha naglisod lisod ani hehehe

i just realized what is your point on having this thread because you are a christian. just don't equate god with God and your religion will not be affected.

no no my Religion is not affected at all hehe. I only want to get into a discussion.

I am surprised you believe in satan, and adam and eve.

if you believe they are real then i would not want to discuss anything with you.

well I am surprised that you don't believe in them.

if you don't believe they are real ... then...i would not want to discuss anything with you.

[McVos]

Guys I think this will be my last post and he moderator can close this thread if they want to.. I have two reasons.

1. Silent-kill has violated a lot of rules, his logical fallacy is amazing,no offense bro. I cannot go on with that because it defeats the purpose of reaching a clear understanding of the subject that i have proposed to discuss with anyone. and I think he has no or lack of knowledge in regards to how argument is supposed to be played. Commonly there are two main parties involve. One on the affirmative side and the other is on the negative side. the affirmative's role is to affirm the truthfulness of the subject in this case I am God or Everything is God. on the other side the negative's part is to attack the structure on which the argument of the affirmative stands and both should stay w/in the premise of the given subject. but what is happening now instead is the affirmative is routing his argument outside the premise and starts questioning the position of the negative(god is personal) w/c is not part of the subject- "I am God and Everything is God".

Bro. study first. no offense.


2. The gang has arrived...i am a busy man. i have time but most of it is spent outside istorya.net. There are too many of you asking questions and yet so little time i can allocate for itsorya.net.


im not avoiding your questions, you know well that i can answer 'em. Remember this always...Jesus died for your sins...come to him and he will forgive you of your sins.