no you got it wrong. He said I am the beginning not that he has a beginning. yeah that's my type of argument. I'm not bending it, im giving it to you loud and clear.
sure i heard you. I know exactly what you mean. but you fail to see one reality, the engine contain lots of information and laws that points to a mind.i only said he/it created the engine not created intelligent life directly as you would like to argue.
now you say your god has a mind, so he must have a brain, to support that he must have a skull, and a body, and have all necessary senses, he feel angry, jealous, envy, he can love, sounds like a human.
but wait he is in spirit form how can a spirit have those attributes when when there is no physical body to hold it? there your logic falls apart.
sure my God has a mind. ah this is where you fail. Mind and brain is different. try this exercise...close your eyes...observe your thoughts...you just shut down your eyes...but your thought is still working...can you sense the observer?...the one observing the thoughts? that's the mind i'm talking about. now this illustration is on the human level.
ah so you believe in spirit? As i've said God is a person but not human. Yes he has emotion because he is a person but unlike human emotion it is not subject to illusion and human frailty.
you always equate person to a human being w/c i say yes it is true that humans are person or persons can be human but God is a person and not human. Philosophy can validate this claim w/c is,to remind you,person refers to attributes not biology therefore my usage of this term and definition is legal meaning it is valid. I can use the word person to refer to attributes. So forcing the issue that person is equal to human(biological) is futile. although I am not restraining you from using it but the pursue of such manipulation can lead to logical fallacy, misrepresentation.
yeah god is the programmer and a programmer is a person. I did? I got the illustration perfectly. you didn't mention any SIMi was merely trying to state that, god is the programmer and you are the SIM (in human context). but when you present your argument you said the SIM is the god because his the one doing the cooking lol thats totally mixed up. you should have a pancake![]()
lol. relax man. a pancake with butter and honey is perfect bu you need intelligence to make it really good.
sure i got it bro but again you left out the other argument read again my statement.read again my argument, god created/designed the engine, not created life directly so simple.
I have read it many years ago. It was an experiment and a failure...read Louis Pasteur. He smashed this theory to the ground.so ironic you ask for proof but you cant provide any proof yourself lol
now you are presented proof but you bend it to fit your liking.
its not observable because you are finite, but you see evidence all over the place.
if you actually read the article you would come across the
Miller?Urey experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
yea sure, this is a discussion and we exchange ideas right? no?im sure your going to inject your simplistic views/argument again so dont bother.
it's a different government man. lol! maybe there is work but not like what we have here. yeah yeah..earth is a corrupted version of heaven.lol a government i dont like that, it means you'll be paying taxes ahahahah
and you'll need to work, damn heaven sounds like earth.
I see, so define nothingness.i'm not buddhist but i like some of there teachings
those proofs were already disproven.I never discounted changes, what i am pushing is hose changes happened because of interaction of informations in dna,and dna has information and instructions that points to an intelligent Mind.Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Miller?Urey experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
just read there are lots of proof, do your research, become a scientist do experiments, observe your surroundings its changing its not flat/dull(like you would argue that god created things as is, with his 'intelligence') new species are developing, new viruses, some species dies, is your personal god creating all of them, right now with his hands? no, its development, its mutation, evolution, chemical reactions, genetics, its the engine of god at work; science.
off topic man ni my friend.the world was not created in 7 days, we did not magically appear out from clay or what ever. we developed gradually, through time in a series of changes/development.
human intelligence is imperfect my friend God's is perfect. Look around the universe is governed by laws and instructions, physics can attest to that. take ffor example the earth, it is not too near the sun or else it will burn no too far or else we all be in darkness. Then look at its composition, the water,oxygen,heat,gases...all in the right amount to sustain and create life. Now that requires intelligence. Impersonal god? nah...its DUMB.i would personally think god is a genius if i equate him as human no question to that, of course he is intelligent if he was human/person, but his not, there is no proof. you can only apply intelligence to the context of humans. because we invent that word, we try to make sense of our surroundings, so we make things and terms.
but to equate god as a person or as an intelligent being, is to put him into a limited interface of a human, like you and me, intelligence is acquired through learning and mistakes..
simplistic ra kaau imong view my friend, you reason like a child
but that is ok, because you are asking.
sigi mo ad2 sa ko work. ask lang questions eheh, i'll try to explain them.
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knowledge is acquired through learning and mistakes not intelligence, you must learn proper context. hehe!
oi, hahaha..mora ko og bata...simplisic...haha..ok..salamat, don't get PERSONAL remember youre an energy and energy has no emotions.
sige friend adto sa ko bangko.
wait salagi ang proof oi....gahuwat ko.
you did not understand... you always equate god with God. read carefully my statement: gods will attain perfection here to UNITE with God and not to become God... a part can never become the whole
it is like a family as a unit... you send out all the members of the family to school, become professionals, become successful financially then that family mag reunion dayon then makita unsa ka nindot ug successful ang family... this is just an example, don't take it literally... basin ipareha napud na nimo nga ikaw mahimong imong pamilya
acquiring good karmas is just the first step to perfection, there are still more things to be done
again, you equate god with God and a part with the whole, ikaw ra ang galisod lisod, actually kita ra gyung duha naglisod lisod ani hehehe
i just realized what is your point on having this thread because you are a christian. just don't equate god with God and your religion will not be affected.![]()
You seem to be looking for answers of your unusual question. I believe that you are an intelligent guy and I don't believe why until now you haven't known the meaning of God or are you just pretending to be ignorant about it. First, there are a lot of books then friends, priest, pastor, theologians and taadaaahh, the Internet. The Istoryans here aren't helpful too when they try to answer your question. I can't answer your question either because I am in no authority and I have no knowledge or wisdom to satisfy you. But I can refer you to a man who have such authority and the wisdom of God to answer all your questions. He is the only man on this earth whom you can ask and the word of God (the Bible) will answer right away. If you don't believe me, try this website:
Questions & Answers - Members Church of God International (MCGI) - Official Web Site
I don't know of a person whom you ask a question, the Bible answers you back through this man. He don't rely on his opinion in answering you but by the word of God in the Bible. I am not his follower but I can't help to think that there is no other man who really understands the Bible by heart and never shy away from any questions of any kind.
I hope I'm giving you the right direction for your question or any questions you had in mind in matters of faith and religion.
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