god's engine = science, chemistry, mathematics, physics etc etc..
read this, scientist made artificial life.
Scientists create artificial life in laboratory - Times Online
i will reply to your last response when i get back home
god's engine = science, chemistry, mathematics, physics etc etc..
read this, scientist made artificial life.
Scientists create artificial life in laboratory - Times Online
i will reply to your last response when i get back home
yes the universe as we know it has a beginning, but the form it was in before that is still unknown to science but it doesn't mean it was created, the energy could have existed ever since, then the big bang happen, thus created the 'universe' as we know it.
imagine god as a programmer a creative programmer, is he going to create things by defining all the attributes and all the possible combination if he wanted to create a virtual universe? of course not, he will probably create an engine, to create itself including life or the inhabitants of his virtual universe. now wouldn't you consider that life created by god? of course you would, because he created/designed the engine. the engine i am talking about here is chemistry science mathematics, physics etc etc.what? god does not need to directly create but he created the engine of life so that it can create itself? wait a minute, your statement now is contradicting the previous things you said. so after all god is not just an energy but also a CREATOR of LIFE. your belief says that God is energy and everything is energy therefore the engine w/c your god had created is also god therefore it's still god who created life... one more point that I also want to give attention to is about this Engine w/c you say can generate life, if this engine is able to generate life, what or who is this engine? i never heard that before.
there is already a layer of abstraction here my friend, let me put it this way,no your mom and dad did not create you. it was balls of energy that created you, everything is energy, right, and energy is god and god is impersonal,so why use words that connotes personal connection like mom and dad? nobody calls you mom or dad if they are not related to you in PERSONALLY.
when you try to cook a pan cake from scratch, would it require you to re-create the universe, the earth and all the ingredient needed to create the pan cake? of course not, because its already there. you just use the 'abstracted' objects like flour oil eggs, etc etc. to make it.
my mon and dad is related to me because they are persons (human) god is not human so he cannot be a person, and i already said that i am made by my mom and dad through s3x lol
read:ah chemical evolution. now since you want to bring science into play,so its time that I shuld ask for proof. where is your proof for chemical evolution? mutation does not add complexity and information to any dna instead informations are loss during mutation therefore a simple dna found in the lower species of life has no chance of acquiring information needed to create a more complex creature.
Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
of course evolution would come-in, in the later stage, and it would take every long for your finite life to observe it. but because you dont believe in this, so there is no point explaining evolution to you.
your god is really like a person (human) because he needs a place to live in lol.Yes God is a person, a perfect one. He lives in a place w/c we Christian call heaven. Is he contained in heaven? it depends on what you mean by being contain. Can he not transcend heaven because he is contained in it? the answer is no. Is he contained in heaven because he choose to live there? Yes.
i got a question about heaven is there some sort of government in heaven? like st. Peter, and the angel have ranks, on who gets to be the commanding officer? etc etc is there some hierarchy, does god have favorites?
yeah it could also be the spaghetti monster (by replacing the god word), who created space and dimensions.let's be creative for a moment. imagine there was no space yet, no dimensions, no creation, no direction, no places, and the only one that exist is an entity we shall call God. This God is a person meaning he can love,feel,think etc. and He has a freewill. This God is also an active personal force so he decided to create an object of his love. so he started his creation but where can he put the objects? there was no space. So God by his power created spaces,dimensions including heaven to placed his objects. so there goes the answer to your spaces and dimensions.
how do you describe nothingness?
its more like which is greater the earth or the inhabitant not really the house, that would make more sense.which do you think is greater,the house or the man inside? let's use some common sense here.![]()
ok that is your view my friend i respect thatI have also stated my reason why its illogical to equate a depraved human condition to someone who is perfect. A person doesn't necessarily be a human being.
I have a different view, when sin entered everything went crazy and eventually everything will go to destruction. Why is god not helping? because we pulled the plug away from Him. Imagine this, if only everyone wuld go to their knees and pray and believes in Him, I mean everyone, wud not God come to saved us? of course he will. but unfortunately we pulled the plug, now its not being selfish. He only gives us what we deserve that is, we want him away from us.
how do you explain the dinosaurs and the early for of man that has been discovered?I don't believe in Darwinian Evolution.
how do you explain the different specie, that are related but not really the same.
ok i respect that, but if you are curious then please read the link i gave youI still believe that a personal god makes more sense until you can bring me a proof that mindless,emotionless,passive,chemicals can create intelligent life.
i dont have any yet, i wont say he/she is a beautiful energy because there is already an abstraction in place he/she is human unless transform back to its basic form (energy). would you call your car what a beautiful piece of metal? even though you know it was made out of metal?do you have a child? when you first saw him/her did you say...oh what a beautiful energy? nah, you don't say that. you even give a child a name. and you are careful with your actions because you don't the child to get hurt emotionally,mentally,physically....why is that? because he is a person. when you hit a impersonal energy with a bat it doesnt say ouch or cry...hehe.
do you have anymore questions?
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god's engine won't work w/o intelligent personal being.
the article in your link does not support your philosophy. The Mycoplasma bacteria they used is already alive, meaning there was already life. they had only modify life not create.
It's a synthetic life (Man-made), someone intelligent is working behind the manipulation therefore proving my point that life cannot be created w/o an intelligent being.
it points to a personal God. that's what your link has proven.
the universe(your god) has a beginning therefore something or someone have created it. your god was created, that presents a big problem.
great! this illustration proves my point again, you are liking god to a programmer,hey wait a minute...a programmer is a person, use something were a person is not involve. Your god is impersonal right? a personal being has intelligence that enables him to give instructions. your engine my friend is surrounded by informations and we all know that it comes from a mind, impersonal energy is mindless. this illustration im afraid invalidates your philosophy.imagine god as a programmer a creative programmer, is he going to create things by defining all the attributes and all the possible combination if he wanted to create a virtual universe? of course not, he will probably create an engine, to create itself including life or the inhabitants of his virtual universe. now wouldn't you consider that life created by god? of course you would, because he created/designed the engine. the engine i am talking about here is chemistry science mathematics, physics etc etc.
but who would stir the ingredients? it cannot stir itself. you need intelligence to create a pancake. you may have all the ingredients you need but if you put too much or too little the result im sure wuld be disastrous. You need someone to measure the right amount of sugar,egg,water,etc. to have the right pancake and you need someone to look after the heat too or else it will burn , and that my friend needs INTELLIGENCE. mindless impersonal god has none.there is already a layer of abstraction here my friend, let me put it this way,
when you try to cook a pan cake from scratch, would it require you to re-create the universe, the earth and all the ingredient needed to create the pan cake? of course not, because its already there. you just use the 'abstracted' objects like flour oil eggs, etc etc. to make it.
my mon and dad is related to me because they are persons (human) god is not human so he cannot be a person, and i already said that i am made by my mom and dad through s3x lol
again just like the first, your illustration supports my point.
no you were created by balls of energy, is it hard for you to accept your own philosophy? lol. God is a peson, this is philosophy my friend and in that field person means attributes not human. God is not human but a person as shown in your own illustration.
abiogenesis is not observable, i can't believe that youre still using this as argument. Evolutionists tho not all but majority of them have abandoned this theory already because it is weak. oh please Im asking for proof...give me one...no excuses please...i want proof. maybe you can't because there's none.read:
Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
of course evolution would come-in, in the later stage, and it would take every long for your finite life to observe it. but because you dont believe in this, so there is no point explaining evolution to you.
you can say that, God after all can do that, he can live anywhere. but unlike human he is not subject to any human frailties.your god is really like a person (human) because he needs a place to live in lol.
i got a question about heaven is there some sort of government in heaven? like st. Peter, and the angel have ranks, on who gets to be the commanding officer? etc etc is there some hierarchy, does god have favorites?
government maybe. favorites? here on earth?yes.
hahahaha...maybe the spag is the God, if he can create such things then who knows.yeah it could also be the spaghetti monster (by replacing the god word), who created space and dimensions.
how do you describe nothingness?
im not a buddhist. are you?
thanks..its more like which is greater the earth or the inhabitant not really the house, that would make more sense.
ok that is your view my friend i respect that
off topic naman ni friend.how do you explain the dinosaurs and the early for of man that has been discovered?
how do you explain the different specie, that are related but not really the same.
thank you!ok i respect that, but if you are curious then please read the link i gave you
exactly my point. yah i got a lot of questions.i dont have any yet, i wont say he/she is a beautiful energy because there is already an abstraction in place he/she is human unless transform back to its basic form (energy). would you call your car what a beautiful piece of metal? even though you know it was made out of metal?
do you have anymore questions?
hey where is my proof?
so weird you try to bend things
oh wait your god said "i am the alpha and the omega" omfg your god has a beginning lol thats your type of argument.
i only said he/it created the engine not created intelligent life directly as you would like to argue.great! this illustration proves my point again, you are liking god to a programmer,hey wait a minute...a programmer is a person, use something were a person is not involve. Your god is impersonal right? a personal being has intelligence that enables him to give instructions. your engine my friend is surrounded by informations and we all know that it comes from a mind, impersonal energy is mindless. this illustration im afraid invalidates your philosophy.
now you say your god has a mind, so he must have a brain, to support that he must have a skull, and a body, and have all necessary senses, he feel angry, jealous, envy, he can love, sounds like a human.
but wait he is in spirit form how can a spirit have those attributes when there is no physical body to hold it? there your logic falls apart.
i was merely trying to state that, god is the programmer and you are the SIM (in human context). but when you present your argument you said the SIM is the god because his the one doing the cooking lol thats totally mixed up. you should have a pancakebut who would stir the ingredients? it cannot stir itself. you need intelligence to create a pancake. you may have all the ingredients you need but if you put too much or too little the result im sure wuld be disastrous. You need someone to measure the right amount of sugar,egg,water,etc. to have the right pancake and you need someone to look after the heat too or else it will burn , and that my friend needs INTELLIGENCE. mindless impersonal god has none.
read again my argument, god created/designed the engine, not created life directly so simple.again just like the first, your illustration supports my point.
no you were created by balls of energy, is it hard for you to accept your own philosophy? lol. God is a peson, this is philosophy my friend and in that field person means attributes not human. God is not human but a person as shown in your own illustration.![]()
so ironic you ask for proof but you cant provide any proof yourself lolabiogenesis is not observable, i can't believe that youre still using this as argument. Evolutionists tho not all but majority of them have abandoned this theory already because it is weak. oh please Im asking for proof...give me one...no excuses please...i want proof. maybe you can't because there's none.
now you are presented proof but you bend it to fit your liking.
its not observable because you are finite, but you see evidence all over the place.
if you actually read the article you would come across the
Miller?Urey experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
im sure your going to inject your simplistic views/argument again so dont bother.
lol a government i dont like that, it means you'll be paying taxes ahahahahyou can say that, God after all can do that, he can live anywhere. but unlike human he is not subject to any human frailties.
government maybe. favorites? here on earth?yes.
and you'll need to work, damn heaven sounds like earth.
i'm not buddhist but i like some of there teachingshahahaha...maybe the spag is the God, if he can create such things then who knows.
im not a buddhist. are you?
Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaexactly my point. yah i got a lot of questions.
hey where is my proof?
Miller?Urey experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
just read there are lots of proof, do your research, become a scientist do experiments, observe your surroundings its changing its not flat/dull(like you would argue that god created things as is, with his 'intelligence') new species are developing, new viruses, some species dies, is your personal god creating all of them, right now with his hands? no, its development, its mutation, evolution, chemical reactions, genetics, its the engine of god at work; science.
the world was not created in 7 days, we did not magically appear out from clay or what ever. we developed gradually, through time in a series of changes/development.
i would personally think god is a genius if i equate him as human no question to that, of course he is intelligent if he was human/person, but his not, there is no proof. you can only apply intelligence to the context of humans. because we invent that word, we try to make sense of our surroundings, so we make things and terms.
but to equate god as a person or as an intelligent being, is to put him into a limited interface of a human, like you and me, intelligence is acquired through learning and mistakes..
simplistic ra kaau imong view my friend, you reason like a child
but that is ok, because you are asking.
sigi mo ad2 sa ko work. ask lang questions eheh, i'll try to explain them.
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Last edited by silent-kill; 09-16-2010 at 08:31 AM.
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