MERGED: Vigilantism and related issues

[M@rv|n]

kanus-a kaha ni nila tirahon c teddy noh?

[mannyamador]

My only stand is that media tries to sensationalized it.

And I have REPEATEDLY asked you to PROVE this claim in the case cited previously. You have given ZERO evidence to back up this claim. None whatsoever. Now you're trying to change the subject, running away like a kicked dog.

who is irrational and stupid enough to believe in one source that is not even considered a reliable source?

Well, YOU consider your UNFOUNDED (no evidence) personal opinions as reliable. That is truly stupid.

Didnt I ask you to go approach your MEDIA FRIENDS

Been thee, done that. They deny there was any collaboration to falsify the story I quoted above. You just got proven wrong again.

I did said they control and what to report basing from the reports of UNVERIFIABLE stories also.

Wrong again, as usual. The story was verified by Sun Star when they called the city jail. You do know what a telephone is, don't you? You can call the City Jail yourself and ask about the old man (Raganas, I think) who was shot while making a tombstone. The City Jail told the Sun Star that the man had no previous record. You should get the facts straight befoe making such stupid claims.

Try thinking. It helps keep one from looking stupid.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

And I have REPEATEDLY asked you to PROVE this claim in the case cited previously. You have given ZERO evidence to back up this claim. None whatsoever. Now you're trying to change the subject, running away like a kicked dog.

I just gave you one proof of a story they put out . Remember DUMPIT ? How many citings do you need ? 2 or maybe 3 ? LOLZ .

Well, YOU consider your UNFOUNDED (no evidence) personal opinions as reliable. That is truly stupid.

Reality check is ... SPECULATING is what is stupid specially when you consider it as ACCURATE . Marami ang namatay sa maling akala ... in english , MANY DIED BECAUSE of I THOUGHT ... LMFAO !! Hahahaha ....

Been thee, done that. They deny there was any collaboration to falsify the story I quoted above. You just got proven wrong again.

Oh really ? Yes its indeed funny as to what your chosen emoticon says .... do you expect me to believe in you ? YOU ARE NOT CREDIBLE also Mr MANNY BOY just like me . PERIOD ... no buts and ifs .

Wrong again, as usual. The story was verified by Sun Star when they called the city jail. You do know what a telephone is, don't you? You can call the City Jail yourself and ask about the old man (Raganas, I think) who was shot while making a tombstone. The City Jail told the Sun Star that the man had no previous record. You should get the facts straight befoe making such stupid claims.

The fact is in general ... YOU dont have to be an EX CONVICT to be a CHRONIC CRIMINAL . I am not referring to Mr Raganas . So what if he hasnt been to jail but he is a known CRIMINAL ... have you proven already that he is not if thats the case ? I am not speculating but I am putting Mr Raganas ( RIP ) in the scenario for you to ponder .Yes I know what is a telephone .... too bad I rarely use it because I rely on my pager este cellphone . Wannabe my textmate Mr Manny Boy ?

Try thinking. It helps keep one from looking stupid.

Id rather be STUPID than thinking I am INTELLIGENT but has no COMMONSENSE at all .

[omad]

any recent news re killings linked to this so called "vigilantes"?

in my POV, the media right off the bat, branded this group doing the killings of those "chronic" criminal elements as "vigilantes" (please note the quotations). maybe because of the rash of similar type killings, they (media) intentionally or unintentionally forgot to put the " " (quotations) likely because it was more convenient on their part when reporting such news. all I'm saying is, maybe it evolved from "vigilantes"/ "so-called vigilantes" to just vigilantes because the public accepted the tag those media types branded those guys. to make my comment short, those group of guys killing ex-convicts, known criminals and petty thieves who had a long history of coming in and out of jails (like checking in and out of hotels) were branded as such --"vigilantes" -- by the media. nobody even knows who, what, where they are, except them.

as far as their real identities go, your guess is as good as mine. :mrgreen:

[mannyamador]

I just gave you one proof of a story they put out . Remember DUMPIT?

Did you even read the question? I asked to prove collaboration to falsify IN THE CASE CITED (the killing of Raganas). Showing other cases is irrelevant. You have to prove they faked THE STORY IN QUESTION.

Good grief! This is very basic logic. Where did you learn your logic? In Disneyland?

The fact is in general ... YOU dont have to be an EX CONVICT to be a CHRONIC CRIMINAL.

An alleged chronic criminal must be PROVEN to be a chronic criminal first! That's what courts are for. But you have ZERO evidence that this poor man was a chrionic crimo\inal. You are already condeming him without any evidence. What stupidity and injustice!

I am not referring to Mr Raganas . So what if he hasnt been to jail but he is a known CRIMINAL ... have you proven already that he is not if thats the case ?

Raganas wasn't even accused of any crime! And even if he was, he's innocent until proven guilty! Can';t you even grasp that very basic pricinple of justice? Your thinking is already *****ic!

Id rather be STUPID than thinking I am INTELLIGENT but has no COMMONSENSE at all .

BOTH cases apply to you then!

[tolstoi]

out of the 160 + vigilante style killings, only Raganas don't have a jail record..maybe he was executed by another group not related to the death squad..just a speculation though

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Meanwhile, the police is looking into the angle that the killing of the latest victim could be drug-related.

The tombstone maker Benjamin Raganas, 42, was shot dead by two men on a motorcycle last Tuesday near the gate of Carreta cemetery along Gen. Maxilom Ave.

He was the 165th victim of summary executions that started on Dec. 22, 2004.

No record

Monilar said his relatives confirmed that Raganas was a drug user but he had no police record.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb...ve.police.html

[tolstoi]

sniff..sniff.

most petty crooks are drug addicts

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Did you even read the question? I asked to prove collaboration to falsify IN THE CASE CITED (the killing of Raganas). Showing other cases is irrelevant. You have to prove they faked THE STORY IN QUESTION.

Why would I prove that they faked the story ? Dont drag me again to your stinky hole . Why dont you PROVE to me that Mr RAGANAS is a law abiding citizen in the case if it was really a VIGILANTE hit . Nobody knew who was behind it either so branding the hit as vigilantes style is OK but remember that there is a fine line between VIGILANTE STYLE and VIGILANTE HIT ( if ever they existed ) . Pa good grief good grief ka pa lolz .

Good grief! This is very basic logic. Where did you learn your logic? In Disneyland?

From your logic Mr Manny Boy . All things are reciprocal .

An alleged chronic criminal must be PROVEN to be a chronic criminal first!

LOLZ !! Now what a logic of yours in action !! DOnt even use the word ALLEGED because obviously it will go side by side that it needs to be proven but you dont have to ve CONVICTED to be a such , yes you are not guilty until proven but it does not justify anything just because you havent been to jail or to court yet being a CHRONIC CRIMINAL . You want me to name names of who are chornic criminals in Cebu who never taste what JAIL LIFE is ?? ... now, now dont get too excited .

That's what courts are for. But you have ZERO evidence that this poor man was a chrionic crimo\inal. You are already condeming him without any evidence. What stupidity and injustice!

Read again Mr INTELLIGENT .... read again , " I WASNT REFERRING to MR RAGANAS " ( I did put him in the scenario to make you ponder because the MEDIA havent proven either also if he is a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN . I guess you are the one CONDEMING me of saying such harsh words to a person I dont even know . What stupidity and injustice you are providing in the table there MR HOTSHOT .

Raganas wasn't even accused of any crime! And even if he was, he's innocent until proven guilty! Can';t you even grasp that very basic pricinple of justice? Your thinking is already *****ic!

Ooops ... you did it again ! Unleashing your dogs of war .... ADJECTIVES GALORE . Read my reply above and the last post I made and read it 3 times so it will embed in your head .

BOTH cases apply to you then!

No you are funny ... you are all SPECULATIONS and ACCUSATIONS . Bad cheetah mr Manny Boy . read more so youll learn more , INTENDIES ??

I am talking to a TALKING WALL .... I am slowly losing interest in TALKING to someone who is afterall a TALKING WALL . Sirang plaka ka na mr Manny Boy ... mucho OFF TOPIC because you failed to shove it down my throat and you refuse to pick up in the floor what I said and instead step on it . You havent even replied to me regrading REALISTIC SUGGESTIONS you can provide to lessen crime so criminals will have other alternative of being criminals thus not becoming CHRONIC CRIMINALS and the existence of Vigilantes will be gone forever . Nothing yet ... nada , zero , betlog etc ... pa good grief good grief pa ka ... para kang korek lolz !

[mannyamador]

Why would I prove that they faked the story?

Because you have alleged that the story is not reliable due to media collaboration. If you make an idiotic, baseless accusation, it is your responsibility to prove it. or didn't they teach you how to think at home?

Why dont you PROVE to me that Mr RAGANAS is a law abiding citizen in the case if it was really a VIGILANTE hit.

Because under the law, he is INNOCENT until proven guilty. There is NO NEED TO PROVE INNOCENCE. Can't you even grasp that most basic rule of law and democracy? Good grief, how dumb can someone be?

" I WASNT REFERRING to MR RAGANAS "

The case was all about Raganas. You were just trying to change the subject because you were trapped like a smelly rat.

I am talking to a TALKING WALL

But you are NOT talking INTELLIGENTLY. You keep repeating the same KNUCKLE-DRAGGING MISTAKES, and several of us have pointed it out to you repeatedly!. Still, you can't seem to get simple logic to stick in that vacuous area between your ears. It must echo a lot in there.

[jugs_06]

OT:

first off, i apologize to both of you guys.. pardon me if i say this:

both of you are not having a DISCUSSION anymore.. you're both throwing insulting comments to each other..

that's why iv decided to back out in the first place, cz i know the DISCUSSION is going NOWHERE..

suggestion lang (wla sa nanghilabot ko).. guys stop calling names.. OFF-TOPIC naman na inyoha..