if dubai was able to do it, and now libya, why can't we?

[FranZeno]

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Awa mga brad, mao jud ni ang problima sa pilipinas

1. Corrupt leaders
2. Overpopulated
3. Lack of resources
4. Bad climate (sigig bagyo, og init kaau. mangamatay ang crops)
5. Uneducated populance
6. Almost no exports

maski ma eliminate pa nimo ang mga corrupt leaders, daghan gihapon ka problima. you cant do anything about the climate, nya mga tao sigig pa daghan, nya walay income. lisod kaau na i change. its in our nature. ambot lang sd unsaon ni pag solve. i doubt noynoy can, or anyone for that matter

Then how did China become a 1st world country?

They are overpopulated, they have the same climate as the Phil..almost the same situation as the Phil in your list. The only difference is they know how to innovate, they know how to use their inflated population into pure manpower in fast producing.

The Phil doesn't know how to innovate, we don't know how to adapt. For every ~30 typhoons/yr na m.sud, the govt still didn't move fast, they know the causes of floods but they're not doing anything to prevent it, we're are just getting ready for it. You can't always fight a disease with curative meds, you prevent it beforehand. Mas dako og gasto kung diha na nimo tambalan kung naa nay damage.

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We can start with ourselves, easier said really. But do you think the other MILLIONS of Filipinos know that? How do you make those MILLIONS know that they should start with themselves? IMO, it starts with a good leader to set as an example. It's still the bottomline. Just think of this country as a big company, there's no one else in the company that can synchronize/coordinate with all departments, it will still be the CEO and its board (Govt) that runs a good company (country).

take a note of these:
- disciplinado kaayu ang mga tao sa JAPAN,
- they follow LAWS, and are afraid and gor big respect to the authorities!
- they follow even the simplest traffic rules
- kugihan mo asenso sa work and sa negosyo
- They mind there own business, dli cla tsismoso
- DILI cla manghilabot sa Politics
matud pa nila "let the politician handle politics"..
Abi ninyu dli gubot ang politics sa Japan or S.Korea? nganong asenso man kaayu cla?
Private TECH companies focus on their business, students focused on their studies,
workers focused on their job, jobless looks for job or starts their own business.
-wise cla mo gunit ug kwarta, ang mga pinoy? ambot nalang "they spent more than they earned"
example: kinsay empleyado dri na mo earn ug 20k-30k na sweldo na bago lang nipalt ug PSP,PS3 or even DLSR? unsaon man na nninyu inyung gipalit 5 years from now naa pa ba nay gamit, specially kng naa na pd bagong version mogawas?

You have a point here, but:

1. How can a jobless find a job if there are no job vacancies? (Look at nurses!)
2. How will a private company do its own job if manghimasok ang govt once it sees the company is doing great?
3. How can students focus on their studies if you have 100 classmates inside your room?

Only the govt can remedy that.

"If I can't have it, neither should you." That's crab mentality right? I admit ana man jud ta, but who is the BIGGEST CRAB here? It's still those corrupt govt leaders. The govt shows a much finer definition of crab mentality, they pull eachother down.

Paxenxa na for bashing the govt here. But, really, that's reality, we can only do our best as good citizens and I hope our leaders can be the same. They're the ones driving this huge truck, I can only sit, behave and pay my fares as a passenger. I can do my job as a good citizen, I can pay my taxes, I can support this country. But how about those other millions? Most esp our leaders? Can they make a much tighter bill against corruption? No, because they know they'll be at a disadvantage, so they make a bill with loopholes.

[sHenZee03]

MAytag mahitabo ang republic of cebu, run by bisdaks for bisdaks

If this was FB, I'd like this post. ^_^

[Bangkilan]

Awa mga brad, mao jud ni ang problima sa pilipinas

1. Corrupt leaders

if we have corrupt leaders

then our government must

Re.install service f_ck 2

to f_ck all of those.

*but this is hard enaf our system is trojan itself*

[rodsky]

hahaha oh hindi naman umangal ang mga tao dito nagbigay lang nga mga sagot na may tamang basehan baket di ka na nasagot? hahaha

Kasi natulog na ako.

You guys are blowing up the topic to something larger than the original context. The trick is, STICK to the topic, and in the topic title, I can clearly see that we're NOT comparing the Philippines, to South Korea, Japan, or Taiwan--we're comparing the Philippines to Libya and Dubai. So (stretching my fingers), again, what do Libya and UAE have, that the Philippines doesn't have (and to those who pointed this out, yes, we do have oil but we don't have the necessary infrastructure--both political and physical--to harness it)?

If you guys really want to discuss the problems of the Philippines in earnest, and compare it with such countries as China, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan, then why not start a thread saying:

if china, taiwan, japan, sokor was able to do it, why can't we?

In that kind of a thread, most of what you have said in this thread might actually hold water and I'll have to agree to your points. But again, hindi eh--this thread has a DIFFERENT point.

I rest my case. Ang hirap makipag-usap sa duling kasi akala nya dalawang tao ang kausap nya.

Arrogant man, I don't think you know the situation in Dubai .. If their wealth relies on oil, wala unta mga Pinoy nga gipapa-uli pag recession..

Yet another individual that strays from the topic title. Let's take a rather rough analogy shall we?

If gi-lay off ang usa ka maid kay nagkipag-talik sa iyang amo (and nasuko si Dona mao nga gi-fire/gi-sibak si Inday), it doesn't necessary imply nga wala nay ma-sweldo ang mga amo nya sa iyaha.

Pardon me for using such a rough analogy, pero it seems by your remark na ganyan na lang ka simple ang mundo (i.e. wala nang oil, pauwiin na ang mga Filipino), when in fact the inherent complexities of the world markets and how they affect each other could be a better reason why Filipinos from Dubai were laid off.

Again, alisin ang kitid. Kaya lang naman ako arrogant kasi maraming makitid.

-RODION

[peewee_toot]

get rid of the crabs that's been eating our brains...

[eslowrak]

Ngano man ang mga pinoy kon adto sa laing nasud mo follow man sa law nya ug ari na sa ato abusado man ug hambugero pa labi pa ug bag-ong abot gikan gawas.

[FranZeno]

Kasi natulog na ako.

You guys are blowing up the topic to something larger than the original context. The trick is, STICK to the topic, and in the topic title, I can clearly see that we're NOT comparing the Philippines, to South Korea, Japan, or Taiwan--we're comparing the Philippines to Libya and Dubai. So (stretching my fingers), again, what do Libya and UAE have, that the Philippines doesn't have (and to those who pointed this out, yes, we do have oil but we don't have the necessary infrastructure--both political and physical--to harness it)?

If you guys really want to discuss the problems of the Philippines in earnest, and compare it with such countries as China, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan, then why not start a thread saying:

if china, taiwan, japan, sokor was able to do it, why can't we?

In that kind of a thread, most of what you have said in this thread might actually hold water and I'll have to agree to your points. But again, hindi eh--this thread has a DIFFERENT point.

I rest my case. Ang hirap makipag-usap sa duling kasi akala nya dalawang tao ang kausap nya.



Yet another individual that strays from the topic title. Let's take a rather rough analogy shall we?

If gi-lay off ang usa ka maid kay nagkipag-talik sa iyang amo (and nasuko si Dona mao nga gi-fire/gi-sibak si Inday), it doesn't necessary imply nga wala nay ma-sweldo ang mga amo nya sa iyaha.

Pardon me for using such a rough analogy, pero it seems by your remark na ganyan na lang ka simple ang mundo (i.e. wala nang oil, pauwiin na ang mga Filipino), when in fact the inherent complexities of the world markets and how they affect each other could be a better reason why Filipinos from Dubai were laid off.

Again, alisin ang kitid. Kaya lang naman ako arrogant kasi maraming makitid.

-RODION

Paki.create nalang ani na discussion to a thread "if china, taiwan, japan, sokor was able to do it, why can't we?" para way lalis. And move all these posts to that thread.

[RMK711]

Kasi natulog na ako.

You guys are blowing up the topic to something larger than the original context. The trick is, STICK to the topic, and in the topic title, I can clearly see that we're NOT comparing the Philippines, to South Korea, Japan, or Taiwan--we're comparing the Philippines to Libya and Dubai. So (stretching my fingers), again, what do Libya and UAE have, that the Philippines doesn't have (and to those who pointed this out, yes, we do have oil but we don't have the necessary infrastructure--both political and physical--to harness it)?

If you guys really want to discuss the problems of the Philippines in earnest, and compare it with such countries as China, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan, then why not start a thread saying:

if china, taiwan, japan, sokor was able to do it, why can't we?

In that kind of a thread, most of what you have said in this thread might actually hold water and I'll have to agree to your points. But again, hindi eh--this thread has a DIFFERENT point.

I rest my case. Ang hirap makipag-usap sa duling kasi akala nya dalawang tao ang kausap nya.



Yet another individual that strays from the topic title. Let's take a rather rough analogy shall we?

If gi-lay off ang usa ka maid kay nagkipag-talik sa iyang amo (and nasuko si Dona mao nga gi-fire/gi-sibak si Inday), it doesn't necessary imply nga wala nay ma-sweldo ang mga amo nya sa iyaha.

Pardon me for using such a rough analogy, pero it seems by your remark na ganyan na lang ka simple ang mundo (i.e. wala nang oil, pauwiin na ang mga Filipino), when in fact the inherent complexities of the world markets and how they affect each other could be a better reason why Filipinos from Dubai were laid off.

Again, alisin ang kitid. Kaya lang naman ako arrogant kasi maraming makitid.

-RODION

Do you even know what proportion of Dubai's economy comes from oil nowadays?

More of their wealth is generated by tourism from other Arab countries than from oil. Finance is also a much larger contributor to their economy than oil. All these things did not materialize from black gold, but from leadership.

Also by the way, again, Philippines has oil. And yet we have the most expensive prices at the pump in Asia. Go figure. I guess oil is not the saint you were expecting, face it.

[peewee_toot]

Ngano man ang mga pinoy kon adto sa laing nasud mo follow man sa law nya ug ari na sa ato abusado man ug hambugero pa labi pa ug bag-ong abot gikan gawas.

ky nagsalig mn sir nga ang pinas ky lu-ag ra kaayu. dili preha sa laing nasud nga grabe ka strikto...

[rodsky]

When you brought up oil as part of the discussion, you immediately opened your post up to responses regarding oil as the primary reason why those countries are rich.

I'm not even willing to discuss issues on a country's "richness" or "poorness" because that's relative. We haven't even established the fact that Libya is now "rich"--is it? And from who's perspective?

As part of the attack on that analogy, it's not necessary to bring other countries into the topic but it helps strengthen the counter-argument, though simply pointing out the fact that Dubai is a diversified as opposed to a strictly oil-based economy would have been enough.

Show me hard data (i.e. a simple bar graph) that its UAE's "diversified economy" rather than crude oil is directly esponsible for its economic power and maybe I'll believe you.

Libya also has been poor for a very long time, it was only after thawing of relations with the U.S. and after their leader handed over some power to his much more capable and open-minded son that the economy started to improve.

Again, the last few lines of the statement indicate a "massaging" of the argument to put the weight of reasons (on why a country's economy fails or booms) on a country's leadership/governance rather than the plain fact that a country's wealth in petroleum products (coupled with the West's "addiction" to petroleum) is too obvious a reason to be ignored.

I would suggest you research more on the countries you are talking about before attempting to defend your point forever by telling other people to stick to the topic just because they are talking about the insignificance of OIL. You brought oil into the discussion, and people are discussing it. What do you want?? I'm assuming your a mod here so you should know this is just common sense...

What I want is for people to stop using posts/threads such as this as a means to vent out their ire against current leadership--there are other avenues (perhaps even more effective than forum posts) to do it.

You people have an axe to grind, I don't.

ADDENDUM:

Read this article...
Dubai's oil discovery and Dubai's debt - Reuters -

...and tell me if I'm wrong if I conclude this:

a. Even though Dubai is "diversified", oil still tips the scales in "helping" it crawl of out the debt hole
b. Even though it's supposedly "rich" as what most of you here say, it's deep in debt, which put it in recession. I highly doubt if the oil (lack or abundance thereof) did that.
c. Oil is still the foundation of its wealth. A good analogy is, person A is the scion of a wealthy chinoy businessman (who already owns several businesses built up from earlier generations of businesses), who puts up his own business. Person B on the other hand is a totally "self-made" man, who puts up his own business (his dad was a farmer). If both of these guy's businesses were suffering under a recession, who do you think would suffer more? Person A or Person B? As Dubai can always run back to oil, Person A can always run back to dad.

-RODION