MERGED: Vigilantism and related issues

[naz]

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If you also use SIMPLE ANALYSIS .. in what way does it justify that it is INDEED a VIGILANTE ??

bitaw, it could be a hired killer doing a vigilante style killing..

what puzzles me is that, why didn't the real vigilante kill these hired killer doing a vigilante style killing

[bad donkey!]

go go go go! idol kayo nako na ang death squad! :mrgreen:

[mannyamador]

Even if I tell you how I knew it .... I am not credible LOLZ !! I cant identify the VIGILANTES because

That's exactly my point! So therefore any claim by you that the vigilantes kill only criminals or that they haven't hurt innocent bystanders is NOT credible. Same with any claim that the vigilantes have done any good. It is simply NOT credible and UNFOUNDED.

How could it be a FACT when you are doubting your own statement ?

I don't doubt my statement. YOU do. But your doubt has nothing to back it up.

Why dont you talk to your MEDIA FRIENDS and find out how they COLLABORATE then reply here again .

Kindly show me evidence that the media collaborated and faked this story. NONE? I though so! As usual: zero evidence.

Who you choose to believe in should be based on evidence and credibility. It's plain silly to believe in a source that has no credibility. It is irresponsible to believe in speculation. That is why it is important to show that the media can CORROBORATE (not collaborate; check ther dictionary for the difference) their stories. It makes the story more credible. You, on the other hand, have ZERO evidence and, to make it worse, use FAULTY LOGIC. Not only should we NOT believe anything you say, we should also point out how silly your thinking is so as to avoid anyone else from making the same mistake.

Try presenting something with evidence and sense next time.

[jugs_06]

Not credible enough ? I just told you that a lot of times already happened that the MEDIA messed up . Either to twist issues and sensationalized stories . Remember Dumpit and Alemar ? Remember Aristotole " Aris " Aves ? Remember Vigilantes and still refer them as SUSPECTED and ALLEGED ? But then they already counted numbers and puts weight on Vigilantes whoever they may be .

these kinds of news stories aren't up for things like these.. whether you believe it or NOT, the media always has concrete information to support their claim about this and that, where and when a particular thing happened.. twist issues and sensationalized stories? NEWS wouldnt' be called news if it wasn't credible in the first place..

You are starting to sound like Mr Manny AMador .... it is not a matter of who is CREDIBLE or not . It is not a matter of who you believed in . Its a matter of how do you percieve and accept the system w/o the MEDIA's role in the society . But then again ..... you say media is more credible than me ... how more credible they are with the REAL DEAL ??

am i really? maybe because it just so happened that we both think you havn't seem to grasp the simple logic about the media yet..

But then again ... when RYAN BORINAGA of The FREEMAN reports news ... do you know HER este him too ?? And the rest of the MEDIA COMMUNITY ? Do you really know them as what you are trying to portray to the testimonial of my friend ? BTW .... how could one incident be ISOLATED when for a fact .... take note for a FACT , what happened to him was a real VIGILANTE hit . Walay nadamay , ni palpak lang .

do you even know how laws of the MEDIA works? they have specific limitations for them to prove their ground.. they gather and collect all available stories and FACTS (ie vigilante killing innocent bystanders) and most of them remain neutral about it for fear of suits, etc..

You are right ... a HEADLINE alone will tell the story ....how accurate though is the big question .

let me ask you a question, what for you is the word ACCURATE? the word itself implies the need for back-up information.. not just another story coming from anyone like you..

LOL ..... that is not according to you nor anyone else but the MEDIA . Alangan man ug mo report sila ug Gi VIGILANTE STYLE ang biktima pero di myembro sa VIGILANTE SQUAD ang suspect . Lagpas kaayo balitaa .

how do you know that (lagpas kaayo balitaa)? were you actually there? or you just refuse to believe what's on the news to shield yourself of the REAL FACTS..

If you also use SIMPLE ANALYSIS .. in what way does it justify that it is INDEED a VIGILANTE ??

try to examine the similarities of the headline to that of the story.. or i challenge you to give me links to really justify your statements..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

That's exactly my point! So therefore any claim by you that the vigilantes kill only criminals or that they haven't hurt innocent bystanders is NOT credible. Same with any claim that the vigilantes have done any good. It is simply NOT credible and UNFOUNDED.

I never claimed anything to start off as what you are used to throw at me . You are accusing me now ... tsk tsk tsk . I share those ideas and opinions with a lot of people . And like I said ... your claim also that the MEDIA says so is true .... wrong because I know what you are implying that KILLING is NEVER A GOOD THING . Thats the same issue you are trting to drag me ... I am speaking for the VIGILANTES in general and not only in Cebu .Even though it is CREDIBLE and ACCURATE ... it is not for you because you disagree with me , what can I do ? NOTHING ! But at least I am not shoiving it in your throat .

I don't doubt my statement. YOU do. But your doubt has nothing to back it up.

LOLZ ... you speak of logic all the time and you cant even figure out a SARCASTIC comment and still tries to drag me into it ? LOLZ !! Speaking of backing up .... read the last sentence of my first reply .

Kindly show me evidence that the media collaborated and faked this story. NONE? I though so! As usual: zero evidence.

If I do that .. I will end up like you making the MEDIA the source of truth . You yourself knows it and why deny ? WHy does media report something but they dont have the same information relayed but the same headline ? Do you really think reporters present in a reporting situation dont collaborate with their counterparts ? Before I provide you links ... ask first your MEDIA FRIENDS .

Who you choose to believe in should be based on evidence and credibility.

I agree with that statement half way but it does not gurantee to be the TRUTH just because it has EVIDENCE and CREDIBILITY .

It's plain silly to believe in a source that has no credibility. It is irresponsible to believe in speculation. That is why it is important to show that the media can CORROBORATE (not collaborate; check ther dictionary for the difference) their stories.

Before you blabber ... make sure you are with the same page of what I meant . Yes MEDIA do COLLABORATE with other MEDIA GROUPS so their reports CORROBORATE . Intendies now Mr MANNY BOY ??

It makes the story more credible.

Since you like counting because you always like to repeat yourself , for the 2nd time Mr MANNY BOY .... CREDIBILITY does not justifyACCURACY.

You, on the other hand, have ZERO evidence and, to make it worse, use FAULTY LOGIC.

According to you because its either of the 2 .... you cant COMPREHEND or you REFUSE to COMPREHEND .

Not only should we NOT believe anything you say, we should also point out how silly your thinking is so as to avoid anyone else from making the same mistake.

LOLZ .... hahaha you can do anything you want because I am not MR MANNY BOY .. I dont shove it down the throat to people because I opt for them to get to freely and voluntarily accept and COMPREHEND my opinion and approach to the matter . On the otherhand ... I dont MISLEAD and CONFUSE other people either to agree with me .

Try presenting something with evidence and sense next time.

EVIDENCE ? Hmmm if I am in a court hearing . SENSE ? How can I present SENSE to a person who is not using his or her commonsense . FUnny emoticons but you know who is crazy lolz .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

these kinds of news stories aren't up for things like these.. whether you believe it or NOT, the media always has concrete information to support their claim about this and that,

Not all the time ... too bad and sad .... specially the PHILIPPINE MEDIA ... MOST of the TIME .

where and when a particular thing happened.. twist issues and sensationalized stories? NEWS wouldnt' be called news if it wasn't credible in the first place..

Even CNN mess up .... you should know better . SUNSTAR and the rest pa kaha ?? Anything that sells needs to be done . Business is good .

am i really? maybe because it just so happened that we both think you havn't seem to grasp the simple logic about the media yet..

YES you do . And what is that LOGIC ? That everything they print and reports should be treated as such as a SOURCE of TRUTH ? Nabali na man nuon .... kamo ra ang sakay kaayo sa front seat sa MEDIA human ako na karon .

do you even know how laws of the MEDIA works?

No I dont . Do you ? If you do ... what is it ? I dont know they have laws ... ETIQUETTES and CONDUCT naa .

they have specific limitations for them to prove their ground.. they gather and collect all available stories and FACTS (ie vigilante killing innocent bystanders) and most of them remain neutral about it for fear of suits, etc..

Then you just explained it to yourself . If they know what they are really talking about .... why hide the TRUTH because of the specific LIMITATIONS to PROVE their GROUND according to you ? If you cant present NEWS that ought people to know ... then you call that TWISTING and SENSATIONALIZING . Speaking of COLLCTING all AVAILABLE STORIES ... whats the big difference of me and the source of so called stories where the media gathers it ? How credible they are in the first place ? LOLZ !!

let me ask you a question, what for you is the word ACCURATE? the word itself implies the need for back-up information.. not just another story coming from anyone like you..

For me ... ACCURACY = TRUE / REAL

Here is the wikipedia definition for ACCURACY :

Accuracy, in science, engineering, industry and statistics, is the degree of conformity of a measured/calculated quantity to its actual (true) value. Precision (also called reproducibility or repeatability) is the degree to which further measurements or calculations will show the same or similar results.

The results of a measurement or calculations can be accurate but not precise, precise but not accurate, neither, or both; if a result is both accurate and precise, it is called valid.

Like I said ... you can have all the BACKING UP you need but it does not guarantee or justify the TRUTH . Whats the point ? To get away with it and go on ?

how do you know that (lagpas kaayo balitaa)? were you actually there? or you just refuse to believe what's on the news to shield yourself of the REAL FACTS..[b]

REAL FACTS ? Hehehe .... gi balita na si DUMPIT nagbakasyon kay gi rayuma ang tiil . REAL FACT is ... nagpabugnaw kay napusilan ni ALEMAR . Did you read what I just said in the NEWS ? NOPE and WILL NEVER BE . Well how credible I am again takes place but I am not shoving it down your throat .

try to examine the similarities of the headline to that of the story.. or i challenge you to give me links to really justify your statements..

That is the whole point . All the media says are VIGILANTES this and that . You fell for it . SHould I be the one who needs to challenge you to prove that what the MEDIA says are true ?

[jugs_06]

Not all the time ... too bad and sad .... specially the PHILIPPINE MEDIA ... MOST of the TIME .
Even CNN mess up .... you should know better . SUNSTAR and the rest pa kaha ?? Anything that sells needs to be done . Business is good.

you keep on stressing out your brief version of how the way MEDIA works.. but still, you fail to show us some information to back up your point..

YES you do . And what is that LOGIC ? That everything they print and reports should be treated as such as a SOURCE of TRUTH ? Nabali na man nuon .... kamo ra ang sakay kaayo sa front seat sa MEDIA human ako na karon .

i never said anything that the media should be our ONLY source of truth.. what im trying to push is, the media wouldn't throw us such report without any information that is valid enough and accurate to support such news.. hope it's clear this time.. im not throwing things on you.. just a mere thought of how i analyze things in the media..

No I dont . Do you ? If you do ... what is it ? I dont know they have laws ... ETIQUETTES and CONDUCT naa .
Then you just explained it to yourself . If they know what they are really talking about .... why hide the TRUTH because of the specific LIMITATIONS to PROVE their GROUND according to you ? If you cant present NEWS that ought people to know ... then you call that TWISTING and SENSATIONALIZING . Speaking of COLLCTING all AVAILABLE STORIES ... whats the big difference of me and the source of so called stories where the media gathers it ? How credible they are in the first place ? LOLZ !!

the difference of YOU and the MEDIA? you just said it, it is business and profession and you're a civilian who got information from a friend who i guess isn't as accurate as with his own statement.. don't compare "collecting available stories" as just another fairy tale coming from your own imagination.. like i said, there ARE a lot of basis to create such report.. and how credible are you?

For me ... ACCURACY = TRUE / REAL
Here is the wikipedia definition for ACCURACY :

i didn't asked you to provide me a WIKIPEDIA definition of the word "accurate".. my question is, "what for YOU is the word accurate?"

Like I said ... you can have all the BACKING UP you need but it does not guarantee or justify the TRUTH . Whats the point ? To get away with it and go on ?

the point is, FACTS are there but you just refuse to believe in it to defend your stand on being a pro-vigilante..

REAL FACTS ? Hehehe .... gi balita na si DUMPIT nagbakasyon kay gi rayuma ang tiil . REAL FACT is ... nagpabugnaw kay napusilan ni ALEMAR . Did you read what I just said in the NEWS ? NOPE and WILL NEVER BE . Well how credible I am again takes place but I am not shoving it down your throat .

im not shoving it down your throat either.. i provided the article to show you how the report was presented.. and why are you veering again towards that friend of yours? we're not talking about DUMPIT this time cz you can't even provide me with an article about dumpit.. we're talking about the article i provided in case you don't know..

That is the whole point . All the media says are VIGILANTES this and that . You fell for it . SHould I be the one who needs to challenge you to prove that what the MEDIA says are true ?

read the article again.. i think what you're trying to say is that the VIGILANTES didn't do it.. now tell me, based on that article, what might be the possible reason why RAGANAS got killed? kay nadagma? lolz too..

[mannyamador]

I never claimed anything to start off as what you are used to throw at me.

You claimed that the vigilantes are killing chronic criminals. But now that I ask you to PROVE it, you run away like a kicked dog! Not only is that irresponsible, it's cowardly.

The bottom line is all you have is hot air and ZERO proof to back up your mindless claims. That is not rational. It's just stupid.

Yes MEDIA do COLLABORATE with other MEDIA GROUPS so their reports CORROBORATE.

Yet another worthless claim. I challenge you to prove it in the case of the story cited above.

You CAN'T right? I thought so. Such idiocy speaks volumes.

CREDIBILITY[/b] does not justify[b]ACCURACY

And on what should we base our beliefs then? Your crazed and baseless opinion? Please don't expect us to be as irrational as you.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

you keep on stressing out your brief version of how the way MEDIA works.. but still, you fail to show us some information to back up your point..

I dont need to prove anything because you know about it already . MEDIA=BUSINESS . The only time someone needs to prove somthing is when he or she needs to convince that person . Arent you aware that MEDIA spcially in the Philippines loves to SENSATIONALIZED ?

i never said anything that the media should be our ONLY source of truth.. what im trying to push is, the media wouldn't throw us such report without any information that is valid enough and accurate to support such news.. hope it's clear this time.. im not throwing things on you.. just a mere thought of how i analyze things in the media..

Then if thats the case ... there is no need to RELY on the news right ?

the difference of YOU and the MEDIA? you just said it, it is business and profession and you're a civilian who got information from a friend who i guess isn't as accurate as with his own statement..

GUESS = SPECULATION

don't compare "collecting available stories" as just another fairy tale coming from your own imagination.. like i said, there ARE a lot of basis to create such report.. and how credible are you?

Collecting available stories of the MEDIA are comparable how I collected mine . The fine line though is , those PEOPLE who knows me knows how credible I am and not just from someone who you interact in the net or to those people whom the media gathered their stories .

i didn't asked you to provide me a WIKIPEDIA definition of the word "accurate".. my question is, "what for YOU is the word accurate?"

If you read again ... I already answered you . The reason why I posted such definition is for you to compare how ACCURATE and SIMILAR my own definition is .

the point is, FACTS are there but you just refuse to believe in it to defend your stand on being a pro-vigilante..

Actually NO . How can it be a FACT when they are even SPECULATING on FIGURES .

im not shoving it down your throat either.. i provided the article to show you how the report was presented.. and why are you veering again towards that friend of yours? we're not talking about DUMPIT this time cz you can't even provide me with an article about dumpit.. we're talking about the article i provided in case you don't know..

It is a clear print of example that we all know how the MEDIA did the reporting . I am giving it as an example also for you .

read the article again.. i think what you're trying to say is that the VIGILANTES didn't do it.. now tell me, based on that article, what might be the possible reason why RAGANAS got killed? kay nadagma? lolz too..

Naay atraso ? I never said the VIGILANTES didnt do it ... but did you hear me also saying the VIGILANTES did it too ?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

You claimed that the vigilantes are killing chronic criminals. But now that I ask you to PROVE it, you run away like a kicked dog! Not only is that irresponsible, it's cowardly.

LOLZ ..... thats what the system is tyting to show . Cant you figure out the common summary of all the victims ? If its not an IN and OUT of jail criminal , it is a CHRONIC CRIMINAL .... now considering their roles in the soceity , they obviously met their match whom they probably victimized before . It is YOUR MEDIA trying to sensationalized it like 2 civilians injured , bagong buhay ex convict , no records in BBRC victim etc . Shoving your ideas down my throat are not only IRRESPONSIBLE but a sign of being DESPERATE to CONVINCE people that you are all knowing and intelligent .

The bottom line is all you have is hot air and ZERO proof to back up your mindless claims. That is not rational. It's just stupid.

LOLZ .... I just love when you start releasing your dogs of war .... ADJECTIVES GALORE .

Yet another worthless claim. I challenge you to prove it in the case of the story cited above.

For now it is WORTHLESS because you are too SCARED to ask your MEDIA FRIENDS because that is the first challenge that you backed out or didnt do because you dont want to know the truth behind it . LOLZ ... I will accept your challenge unless you do my small favor but then your challenge would end up USELESS after that .

You CAN'T right? I thought so. Such idiocy speaks volumes.

Save those words for your MEDIA FRIENDS when you find out for yourself otherwise you will just keep on barking here but cant bite .

And on what should we base our beliefs then? Your crazed and baseless opinion? Please don't expect us to be as irrational as you.

You can answer that yourself how you want it YOUR WAY . Like I said ... I am not MR MANNY BOY shoves it down to the throat ... all I said are meant to be picked up from the floor if you think and accepts it as usable facts and information . No one will force you to believed in it .... at your age right now , if thats your mentality just on anything else .. I really PITY you .