Central Visayas minimum wage now P285 per day

[Tirong-say]

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Originally Posted by Tirong-say
But does 285p could compensate the needs, let us say having two kids and renting his accomodation?-> When there is a need and the will power, there is a way. People always find ways and means to get by. It is impossible for someone to just give up and die on the street. The Philippine situation is nothing like that of Africa where malnutrition as at an alarming rate. Where corruption is the lifeblood of politicians. At least here, there are still those who serve the state without the need to resort to corruption, however few they may be.


1.) But Isn't it a threat, like it's either you will lose your job or we will only give you a very low salary. Then what kind of a threat is that? -> look at this from another POV:

you are previously compensated at Php267/day. Now RTPWB-7 says minimum is now PHP285/day

The company reacts by complying but also to sustain itself let's go of people whose jobs are redundant. YOU just happen to be lucky nga wla gi pa hawa. How would you react to managements decision and action? Place yourself in the shoes of the manager of the company and think hard about your next answer.

2.) He is one of the richest man in the philippines isn't it, then why he was not able to give a better compensation. I agree with you, that an unhappy worker is an unproductive worker that would eventually contribute to the downturn of a company, then where is it now in the case of PAL?

->He is rich because of the dozens of other businesses that he has. It is not logical and entrepreneurial to have one thriving business feed the fledging business. A business is suppose to stand and survive on its own merit and efforts. otherwise, it would have lost sight of why it started the business in the first place. No one with 10 businesses or more will have the 9 businesses or more help out the 1 that is losing. those 9 businesses or more EARNED those profits by sheer efficiency and hard work. This is not a family. This is business. it is completely different and follows completely different rules and guidelines.


The worker works because he wants to earn for a living to sustain himself, the investor wants some workers to run his business, it's a symbiotic relationship, the worker is oblige to work and be productive as he can as to promote the business of the investor, the obligation of the investor is to pay the worker and look after his welfare.Not that the worker will find other means just to survive because he is given a sub-standard salary.

ARTICLE 124. Standards/Criteria for minimum wage fixing. – The regional minimum wages to be established by the Regional Board shall be as nearly adequate as is economically feasible to maintain the minimum standards of living necessary for the health, efficiency and general well-being of the employees within the framework of the national economic and social development program. In the determination of such regional minimum wages, the Regional Board shall, among other relevant factors, consider the following:
(a) The demand for living wages;
(b) Wage adjustment vis–vis the consumer price index;
(c) The cost of living and changes or increases therein;
(d) The needs of workers and their families;
(e) The need to induce industries to invest in the countryside;
(f) Improvements in standards of living;
(g) The prevailing wage levels;
(h) Fair return of the capital invested and capacity to pay of employers;
(i) Effects on employment generation and family income; and
(j) The equitable distribution of income and wealth along the imperatives of economic and social development.

http://www.bcphilippineslawyers.com/the-labor-code-of-the-philippines-book-3/

[RMK711]

But it seems to me you have no idea who decides what the proper salary is. It is not the worker, the businessman and it is not even the government. The one who decides is the buyer eg the consumer. The consumer will not buy if the price is too high. If wages go up prices must too. The government can make the minimum wage p1000 per hour but the price of rice will also be p10000 per sack. Malipay ka ana? Before you comment on this and argue with other people you must first understand basic economics. It is so simple if buyers dont buy workers lose jobs. Minimum wage is just a mirage like a dream pulled over the eyes of ignorant desperate people. The best way to improve lives is improve productivity but thats hard so our government doesnt bother instead issuing artificial wage increases that do not actually improve anyones life at all...

This reminds me of British Airways. You may have heard their union got management to agree to a large pay increase. Do you think this will be good for them in the long term? I dont think so because their customers will not tolerate a price increase and will jump to other airlines. Once that happens its curtains for BA and all those employees will lose their jobs. So the ultimatr loser is still the employee..

[princess_nyle]

nindot pud ni da...pero dapat cguro kay naa pud adjustment sa pay sa above minimum wage earners...kay saon nalang murag grabi na mi ka close to minimum among salary

[GuyOfYourDreams]

If you see a business owner as nothing more than an alligator or buwaya, then we will never be able to conclude this debate because you are dead set on that mindset of yours.

I didnt say that business owners are like alligator. I just said they need to think of themselves first.
Scenario: Plane is about to crash, how do you save a friend that is with you? How can you be a saviour if you yourself is not saved.
That is business, not charity works. They will not serve for nothing.

[GuyOfYourDreams]

mind you, the owner is compensated for his time and effort in running the business. He/She receives a salary for his/her services rendered. at management level and up, wla na gani na silay overtime pay. Survival and to turn a profit. because is not for running if that particular money invested is better off being invested in the money market,stock market, commodities market and other financial instruments. and besides, do you think whatever profit is earned, i-declare tanan as dividends? common practice is to declare up to 30% only of profits as dividends. Even 30% is exorbitant and a bad business practice. The rest is plowed back to the company as working capital/capital investment. That way, it can provide more for its employees.

Then why should continue running the business if what employees can have is more than an owner can? An owner having not enough amount of income or even just smaller than expected amount of income will stop the business.

[GuyOfYourDreams]

-> so why would one foolishly demand that employees be given more when the company no longer has the propensity to give? Why force a square peg into a round hole? it's stupid right? so take what you have and make the best out of it.

its because they still need its workers for the company to continue running & money for them to continue coming.

[princess_nyle]

the rise in salary is needed as the rise of the expenses is always expected..mosaka gyud na ang price sa mga palaiton bisan dili mosaka imung salary...so demand nalang gyud ta nga mosaka atung salary kaysa walay saka2x atung salary unya cge saka ang expenses...

[RMK711]

For me theres nothing wrong even if business were an alligator. You can call it the lesser of two evils. Its just that companies and the entire capitalist system allows greed to benefit society. The alternative is communism like in cuba and it sucks.. Sharing everything but whats the point if there aint enough to share around?

[RMK711]

the rise in salary is needed as the rise of the expenses is always expected..mosaka gyud na ang price sa mga palaiton bisan dili mosaka imung salary...so demand nalang gyud ta nga mosaka atung salary kaysa walay saka2x atung salary unya cge saka ang expenses...

Ok but if you in increase salaries expenses will increase some more and so its a vicious cycle and in the meantime other countries competing with us have much lower salaries but also much cheaper living costs. Who is the winner and the loser? For sure dili kita ang modaug ani. Mao na lupig na ta sa tanan karon.. Hasta ang vietnam hapit na ta malapawan. Unsaon nalang ning pilipinas daghan kaayong tao nga wa kasabut.. Saka sweldo saka sad presyo. Sayun raman unta na sab ton..

[Tirong-say]

But it seems to me you have no idea who decides what the proper salary is. It is not the worker, the businessman and it is not even the government. The one who decides is the buyer eg the consumer. The consumer will not buy if the price is too high. If wages go up prices must too. The government can make the minimum wage p1000 per hour but the price of rice will also be p10000 per sack. Malipay ka ana? Before you comment on this and argue with other people you must first understand basic economics. It is so simple if buyers dont buy workers lose jobs. Minimum wage is just a mirage like a dream pulled over the eyes of ignorant desperate people. The best way to improve lives is improve productivity but thats hard so our government doesnt bother instead issuing artificial wage increases that do not actually improve anyones life at all...

This reminds me of British Airways. You may have heard their union got management to agree to a large pay increase. Do you think this will be good for them in the long term? I dont think so because their customers will not tolerate a price increase and will jump to other airlines. Once that happens its curtains for BA and all those employees will lose their jobs. So the ultimatr loser is still the employee..

What about the tripartite committee and the consultations? provided ra ba na sa labor law......