6000 Series Radeons code-named Southern Islands could show up in November

[bolivar1985]

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maybe that's why AMD processors are not in equal run with Intel, kay nag concentrate gud sila sa VC... sa ako lang ha...

[Sempron Guy]

maybe that's why AMD processors are not in equal run with Intel, kay nag concentrate gud sila sa VC... sa ako lang ha...

Different research teams, different budget allocations I don't think so. And just to clear things up btw. AMD already made it clear more than a year ago that their Phenom II X4 line-up will not compete with intel's i7/i5 but rather on their old C2D and C2Q series. Obvious man sa pricing strategy sa AMD. Their i7/i5 counterpart will be the "Bulldozer". Ako pa nimo bro, save that thought for yourself nalang, you are OT btw and that statement will ignite another pointless debate.

[devilsburger]

if 10-12% ra ang performance than that is nothing but an HD5xxx rebrand.

hopefully this wont be the case bro..20% cguro would be acceptable to it since this is a big leap from hd5xxx to hd6xxx..anyway let's just cross our fingers if this happens..mosamot pajud ni ka in demand cguro kung ibalik nilang reference style coolers with some revamps on the look to make it more futuristic..wew..go go go koya radeon este ati radeon diay..hahahaha...

[loloyis.com]

if 10-12% ra ang performance than that is nothing but an HD5xxx rebrand.

it's all thin air at this moment. no one really knows for sure.
here's an interesting speculation from a guy in anandtech forums. nice info if we can ride along.

Despite what charlie wrote about the new chip having next gen setup & uncore and having Evergreen shaders, it's actually rumoured to be a fairly radical change inside compared to HD2000-HD5000 series regarding 5D shader groups' composition. 1600 -> 1920, but more importantly, the 1600 Stream processors changes format from 4+1 (5 sp composition) ALU to a 3+1 '4D' or a 2 big + 2 small '4D' ALU. EG is rumoured to be a maximum of 80% efficient in its current 4+1 setup, so chopping 1 shader off wont make a big difference - but would actually increase efficiency as there would be less frequenly unused space on the core. But it will increase the chip's overall performance per square inch (or millimeter), and reduce die size.

Even without changes to the memory controller & setup engine or parts of the 'uncore' a 1600 SP core in Ati's new '4D' format would be more powerful than a 1600 SP core in the current '5D' ALU design (cypress EG). The reason is that Cypress is currently 20 SIMDs x 16 ALUs x 5 SP's = 1600sp's (320 alu). Hypothetically, with a 4D shader ALU design, a 1600sp Cypress would be arranged - for example - 20 SIMDs x 24 ALUs x 4 SP's (400 ALU total). 400 ALUs > 320 ALUs, even though both chips have 1600sp.

Starting with the HD 2900XT the ALU count basically increased to the next generation like this: 64 -> 64 -> 160 -> 320 -> 480; with the shader count increasing like this: 320 -> 320 -> 800 -> 1600 -> 1920. Since HD6870 is rumoured to have 1920SP in the 4D format, it would equal a total of 480 ALUs. 320 ALUs represents the Cypress EG core aka HD5870. The performance gain from the 4870 over the 3870 was ~92% the increase in total ALU count was 2.5 fold (64 to 160). The performance gain from the 5870 over the 4870 was ~68% and the increase in ALU count was two fold (160 to 320). This can give point to measure theoretical performance of the next gen; my personal expectation is a gain of ~40-45% over the 5870 as a result of ALU count increasing from 320 to 480. The new chip's rumored size is 40nm @ ~395mm^2 compared to the 334mm^2 Cypress and the 535mm^2 Fermi.

If they change core & memory speeds (ex: low latency 6gbps GDDR5) or much of the design of the uncore in 6870 - like the Memory controller, Rasterizers, Tessellator and Setup Engine, it would only serve to add pontential performance (shader modifications aside).

I'll be happy if the 6870 is on par with the 5970 or even a few clicks faster. This would put it 20% faster than a GTX480 and 10% faster than 512sp Fermi. Rick Bergman said Q4 2010, so my guess is Oct 15 - Nov 30th release.

[P0w3rM0v3]

hopefully this wont be the case bro..20% cguro would be acceptable to it since this is a big leap from hd5xxx to hd6xxx..anyway let's just cross our fingers if this happens..mosamot pajud ni ka in demand cguro kung ibalik nilang reference style coolers with some revamps on the look to make it more futuristic..wew..go go go koya radeon este ati radeon diay..hahahaha...

i don't really mind a rebrand bro if mo barato ang 5000 series
nvidia has done this a bunch of times anyway and we didn't really mind (up until it caught up with them anyway lol) so ATI should be entitled to it once in a while.

[devilsburger]

^^ absolutely brad they are entitled to do so but since they've made it to the top in terms of innovation they would probably consider the performance increase rather than rebranding the product to stay on top of the market..kabantay pako before when nvidia cards was very in demand murag gamay rajud kaayo motagad sa ati since murag bagito pa cya compared to nvidia na tested na jud pero look at them now, even ako nga nvidia user jud ko ever since before murag nabighani jud sa speed on the 5000 series videocards in terms of performance does not to mention I had these video chip problem on my HP Pavillon Laptop before with an Nvidia chip..Samot najud kog switch to ATI..

[P0w3rM0v3]

^^ mau gyud bay. even ako nvidia man akong mga daan na cards. nindot jud basta naay competition kay daghan mapilian nya sigi combati sa performance ug presyo XD

[devilsburger]

^^ korek ka brad kay kung walay mo compete mura na nuon ma monopolize unya ang market in terms of graphics card kay maka patuyang nlang ug saka sa presyo kay wala gud silay kompetensya..nindot ning healthy competition kay more choices and more brands to choose from..

[devilsburger]

If I may add some good news to the ATI users the HD 6000 series added feature is the Eyefinity 8 compared to 5870's Eyefinity 6, One of the breakthrough feature of the card indeed..

@all If anyone here living outside the Philippines can you please encode this for us. It's a youtube vid showing the Radeon HD 6000 series at CES in Las Vegas (because it's says it is blocked in your country).thanks..

ATI Radeon HD 6000 series for (06,10,10) as seen at the Las Vegas CES - Watch Video - Kendin Co?

[ieaiaio]

wa pai spoilers para sa pics sa card? hehe mao na ako huwat perme ba