Central Visayas minimum wage now P285 per day

[Tirong-say]

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It's all in the negotiations. Labor wants an increase, they state their case. Government provides relevant data that both parties can use to their advantage. Labor dictates how much they want, management bargains. In the end, naa ra gyud na sa amicable terms. that's why the last increase we saw was what...late 2008 or early 2009. then karon napud. although karon, dili across the board, Minimum wage kutob. just like haggling for the price

Labor unions ang labor ini Bro,
Morag ang problema gyud ini wala pa gyud tay investors nga sakto gyud, okay sa marketing ug makahatag ug dako nga suweldo sa mga tawo.

[james_chaw]

Labor unions ang labor ini Bro,
Morag ang problema gyud ini wala pa gyud tay investors nga sakto gyud, okay sa marketing ug makahatag ug dako nga suweldo sa mga tawo.

I wouldn't say that. Call centers and BPOs give considerably higher wages compared to local companies or non-BPO companies, which is why it is also a contributing factor to the brain drain. It's about money and survival now, not fulfillment and satisfaction of the job.

Also, I'd say the major employers of this province also compensate their employees considerably well.

If wla gyuy mga maau nga investors nganhi Cebu, cguro double or triple and rate sa pag-larga sa mga tao abroad.

[james_chaw]

Of course they can earn or save more from their expenses. In fact, even until now there are still companies who are just giving their employees below the minimum wage. Taking advantage to the lack of knowledge of a particular employee or employees maybe. Or some issues that could make an employee stay even for a low pay..

They don't necessarily save more from expenses because it would also mean cutting back on certain "necessities" that the company has to provide for it's employees.

a typical necessity or perquisite, if you will, is an in-house subsidized canteen/cafeteria. Now imagine those MEPZ workers not having a cafeteria of their own. they'd have to walk how many meters/kilometers from their building to outside the complex in order to buy food and drink. Now, isn't that actually inconveniencing your employees in order to save on expenses?

I USED to have a small company. I don't anymore. am a proud employee of (tooot).=D

[GuyOfYourDreams]

They don't necessarily save more from expenses because it would also mean cutting back on certain "necessities" that the company has to provide for it's employees.

a typical necessity or perquisite, if you will, is an in-house subsidized canteen/cafeteria. Now imagine those MEPZ workers not having a cafeteria of their own. they'd have to walk how many meters/kilometers from their building to outside the complex in order to buy food and drink. Now, isn't that actually inconveniencing your employees in order to save on expenses?

I USED to have a small company. I don't anymore. am a proud employee of (tooot).=D

Ahuh, but a company, before thinking of the needs of the employees, it will first think what it can get.
Even though company would say that they will do this thing for the employees' convenience (e.g. canteen) still the fact is because it is getting money from it. Basically its purpose is to have an income anyway. And also it will save time because the employees doesn't have to go out far just to have a meal. In that way, the employees will be more productive, still a benefit for the company..

Again basically its purpose is to have income..

[typia]

this is better than nothing. but we know that kulang ra jud ni. pasalamat ra gihapon ta

[Solando]

hala..298 naman gani ang uban dri sa cebu..

[james_chaw]

Ahuh, but a company, before thinking of the needs of the employees, it will first think what it can get.
Even though company would say that they will do this thing for the employees' convenience (e.g. canteen) still the fact is because it is getting money from it. Basically its purpose is to have an income anyway. And also it will save time because the employees doesn't have to go out far just to have a meal. In that way, the employees will be more productive, still a benefit for the company..

Again basically its purpose is to have income..

and what is the purpose of the employee? isn't it to earn income? or earn a living? whether we like it or not, the "company" is also an entity. it must also earn income in order to survive.

[Tirong-say]

I wouldn't say that. Call centers and BPOs give considerably higher wages compared to local companies or non-BPO companies, which is why it is also a contributing factor to the brain drain. It's about money and survival now, not fulfillment and satisfaction of the job.

Also, I'd say the major employers of this province also compensate their employees considerably well.

If wla gyuy mga maau nga investors nganhi Cebu, cguro double or triple and rate sa pag-larga sa mga tao abroad.

Yup you are right, lisud kaayo kung diha sa ato mo-work, bisan sa abangan sa balay ug pagkaon mag-lisud gyud ug suporta ang suweldo. Pero mao lagi nganong magtukod man ug negosyo nga dili man diay makahatag ug saktong suweldo sa mga trabahante. Blackmail man na ilang style ba nga kung padak-an ang suweldo ma-sira ang ilang kompaniya tungod madako na ang labor cost. Maka-dagan ba kaha ilang negosyo kung walay mo-trabaho. Then the question now is that just, pila ka buok datu karon sa ato ug pila pud kaha ang mga tawo nga halos wala nay makaon kada adlaw. In case sa PAL nga kaso, kinsa man ang tag-iya sa PAL, pila iyang wealth unya pila man pud iyang gi-suweldo sa iyang mga piloto.

[james_chaw]

Yup you are right, lisud kaayo kung diha sa ato mo-work, bisan sa abangan sa balay ug pagkaon mag-lisud gyud ug suporta ang suweldo.
->I would have to say that is relative. if one is earning 8000 a month, then budget your expenses. kwarto nga gi abangan, PHp1000 per month. Food expense, Php4500(3 meals at Php50 each, 30 days); travel expense: 2 rides let's say Php18 back and forth na na for 30 days is 540
sum that up you get Php6040. you have Php1,960.00 in savings. that's nearly 25percent of your income you have saved for a rainy day. that's 23,520 a year in savings. put that in the bank, that comes out to Php23,990.40 a year.

it is very rigid but people with such an income have to live WITHIN THEIR MEANS(sa abot kaya lang,dili nga hutdun gyud) NOT ACCORDING TO THEIR WANTS(dili sa gi-gusto). THAT is the difference between people who have enough sense in life. and then if married ka or naay gi supportahan, then the common sense solution is to have your wife/husband work pud. if need be, your children pud. tell your boss nga "tabang2x lang ni cya gamay, para lang naay maitabang sa pamilya." I have seen families whose father works. mother works. and college level children do part time jobs. and you know what? they surviving. they are living. It's not a wealthy life, but they are living. not in squalor but one in suitable living conditions. so it IS possible. it's all in getting everyone to pull their weight and help out in the family. We all have to adjust to the our situation. It's common nature. Why do birds fly to warmer climates when their habitat is getting cooler? why do Polar bears eat enough to sleep thru the winter? Why do both parents have to work? so that they can provide for the family.

1.) it is not blackmail for companies to close down when the cost of labor rises up. It's simple economics. If their is no more money to pay for the increase, shall we let the company bleed till it will finally declare bankruptcy? declaring bankruptcy means a company is shield from its financial obligations(utang and what have you). Good luck relinquished employees getting a severance package then!

2.) If you only know how much PAL is bleeding every year, you would understand the side of management. the owner is not rich because of PAL. he is rich because of the DOZENS of other money making businesses that he has. if HE were to live his life on PAL earnings alone? dugaya na na niya gi.baligya or sirado kay pwerting lugi gyud.

[james_chaw]

Ahuh, but a company, before thinking of the needs of the employees, it will first think what it can get.

I beg to differ. What a company will earn can possibly translate to increased capacity or propensity to afford better compensation packages or perquisites for ALL employees; to make the overall operation of the company run MUCH MORE smoothly.

an efficient company is one that has little to no wastage. there are so many forms of wastage. wastage also means a lost expense. meaning wla na use effectively or mura lang gi labay.