Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[hotspur]

kung mauhon na brod, maayo diay pabuhatan lang sad ka ug rebulto sa imong mga kaliwat kay sobra paman sad ka sa ginoo ug panghunahuna tingali. kay mismo ikaw nga binuhat sa ginoo dili naman gani motuo sa nagbuhat..

[kizzy_met21]

kung mauhon na brod, maayo diay pabuhatan lang sad ka ug rebulto sa imong mga kaliwat kay sobra paman sad ka sa ginoo ug panghunahuna tingali. kay mismo ikaw nga binuhat sa ginoo dili naman gani motuo sa nagbuhat..

1.) dli ko brod
2.) hahaha nganong magpa buhat man kog rebulto?
3.) di ko mu tuo coz everything i have and everything that happened to me is what i gained for myself...dli si god ang nag control sa akong life...ug sa akong brain...hahaha...

[hotspur]

i understand evolution and i understand creation bro, but with regards to the idea of atheism...mura'g GARBO nalang ang nagdala sa tawo ana. wla man gud mo kasabot mismo about the truths of life! study more about your darwinian evolution then walaa hinay2 ang attributes nga gihatag sa ginoo sa inyoha (love, affection, compassion, mercy...etc)

no wonder why in ani na ka twisted ang hunahuna sa tawo ug ka immoral ang panahon tungod sa ana nga teachings!

BRO, Sorry...my time is over, sunod nasd. kamo lang sa nga pareha ug pangutok pagsabot2 diha....Good night

[kizzy_met21]

brod, pasabot lang na kung unsa ka ka-miserable karon nga time. hopefully, ul encounter the God who created you! iv been into that situation also.. akong ika-advice sa imoha, live to the fullest and to the extent nga you will find yourself degraded ug masabtan nimo ang intricacies sa kinabuhi.

when man ka nagsugod ug wla na motuo sa ginoo? pagka tawo nimo or karon nalang nga panahon kay naglibog nasad ka sa imong pagkatawo?

hahaha..nganong nka ingon man ka brad nga miserable?
for me, i've tried before like you said, trying to encounter god, but seriously, that didn't happen..
sukad pa brad pagka gamay nako, i've learned that everything in this world is cannot be decided unless you decide for yourself...and wala sad tawn ko maglibog sa akong self...basin ikaw nag libog ka...hahahaha...I'm very much happy with my life and my career...life is just too short to waste on useless things like religion...

[kizzy_met21]

i understand evolution and i understand creation bro, but with regards to the idea of atheism...mura'g GARBO nalang ang nagdala sa tawo ana. wla man gud mo kasabot mismo about the truths of life! study more about your darwinian evolution then walaa hinay2 ang attributes nga gihatag sa ginoo sa inyoha (love, affection, compassion, mercy...etc)

no wonder why in ani na ka twisted ang hunahuna sa tawo ug ka immoral ang panahon tungod sa ana nga teachings!

BRO, Sorry...my time is over, sunod nasd. kamo lang sa nga pareha ug pangutok pagsabot2 diha....Good night

Actually brod, dli na xa garbo, people like us just don't believe in all that creation theory..how can you say nga wala mi kasabot sa truths of life? just because we don't believe in what you believe doesn't make us stupid...the theory of evolution does not eradicate the facts of emotions because emotions are parts of human characteristics, even animals have emotions...so dli ka kaingon nga just because we believe in the theory of evolution ma rule out ang feelings...

Brod, people's minds have already been twisted, dli tungod sa teachings sa science...religion ang nagpa twisted sa mind sa tao...dli science...

mka ingon ka imoral ang panahon, ang religion baya ang nag implant ug malice sa hunahuna sa mga tao...just because it doesn't agree with their belief, they conclude it to be imoral or bastos or unsa...people are being manipulated by religion...teaching them ways to live, pero nganong kana man mga tawhana ang kusog gani kaayo mu unay sa ilang religion...

[AMD_fan]

Past years bai ? Hehehe ... even in the time of St. Peter which is the very fist pope , naa nay SCIENCE , probably the word SCIENCE was just not onvented yet and they dont know it is SCIENCE in itself . Now to the topic and statement , it depends also kinsa na siya individually ...

The word SCIENCE existed in 14th century while your pope first existed in 1st century... Sakto ka, naa ra ang tubag imong gi sulti, wala sila kaila ug dli gyud kaayo ni popular unlike Christianity.... How would everyone know if it's not known?

The pope today...

“Christ stresses that the gift received in him far surpasses Adam’s sin and its consequent effects on humanity”

–Pope Benedict, Paul VI Audience Hall, December 2008

naa man Kristyano ni tuo ni galileo and naa pod wala but then because naay wala ni tuo doesnt make all Christians dili mo tuo .

Yeah that's true and it also doesn't add up to the evidence that you should take the bible a metaphor, parable, fable or anything else... And of course, it also doesn't add up to the evidence that the bible was really true...

That is applicable in all SUPREME BEINGS . Murag ikaw na man ang ni contradict bai ... why would you convert to Islam and still worship the Judeo Christian God ?

Ang pangutana, ngano kinahanglan paman mo worship nga ikaw rman usa ginoo? ug ni ingon man ang ginoo wa nay laing ginoo siya ra gyud... So sa ato pa dli na logical nga magselos ka sa wala diha...

Hehehe ... well area nearby which ang closest sa Northpole is Canada na still very far away or Australia sa SOuthpole . My point is , they are still HUMAN BEINGS ... wala man sila ni evolved from what used to be original , endemic species sa area millions of years ago , maski thousands lang .

Well, you didn't say it was in Canada, or even in Australia....

So ganahan ka inig ad2 sa mga tao anang lugara mahimo silang penguin (endemic species sa lugar) within a span of thousand years? mao na imong pasabot? Ayaw kalimte bro ha nga ang tao sa south pole, ni migrate ra ug wala sila gapuyo ngare for a million years sa ilang lifetime...

mao na akong gipasabot nimo ... how much more if you want to talk about what ahppened BILLIONS or MILLIONS of years ago .

Ha? Unsay mao na imong gipasabot? Ka layo ra ba aning tubaga...

Ngano ma proof man siya ? Are they transient to the area ? if they are then yes but how sure are you ? What if endemeic sila and indigenous sila ? Just because people adapts to climate changes , it doesnt justify anything at all of EVOLUTION .

So it's not evolution for you? What would you call that then? A change in physical feature to adapt a certain climate change, unsa may tawag nimo ana?

Abi kay pinoy na balikbayan , puti na or kano nagpa suntan mamuwa na ni evolve na diay ta .

Dli kana evolution bro, mao kanay nasunog ang panit kung ang americano mamuwa mainitan kay wala man kaayo ni silay melanin... So ang tawag ana sunburn... lol...
Lahi katong akong example bro kay it includes BONE, MUSCULAR and PHYSICAL FEATURES...
Try daw ug ad2 ug North pole ug mo kalit ba ka squat imong body... layo ra kaayo imong sample...

Are you talking about SAPOT bai na what we call in the 21st century na FOUL WEATHER CLOTHES ?

Subra napud ka ka high tech bai... hehehehe... Laminar armour ilang gamit...

How much more lage in BILLIONS or MILLIONS of years pa ... naay Scientist o researcher or ikaw mismo naa didto conducting the studies ? That is why currently theories ra ni sila kay gi tuohan nila back-up by evidences that could be RIGHT or WRONG ... nothing is wrong with that , its beenficial for everyone , what is not right is kanang CERTAIN kaayo ta na to the point we discount something na usa sa basis why naay studies ni exist pod .

I'm not a scientist nor a researcher, but by just looking and analyzing backed up by evidence, you would obviously get the answer...

Yes it may not look certain to you, but again, it won't add up to the evidence of your bible...

Pero the logical idea does not equate to the answer na gipangayo ngano naa pay unggoy gihapon . Di ba naa pa gihapon mga buaya , snakes , isda , elephants , birds etc but wala na ang dinosaurs ?

lol... wa gyud diay gihapon ka kasabot... hahaha... Yes naa pay buaya, snake, isda, elephants, birds, etc, NATURAL, nganong nakaingon man ka nga kinahanglan sila mawagtang?... Natural nga wala nay dinosaurs kay namatay naman sila... Dinosaurs wouldn't survive sa ilang kadagko, they need enough oxygen... sad to say gamay na ang oxygen content sa earth unlike before the age of dinosaurs...

Now we are talking about pohysical features ... unya lage ang blood types , pool of genes and most of all ang human anatomy , does it reflect to any resemblance ? For sure naa maski gamay sa human anatomy but it does not consitute kay maksi when speaking of animals , humans share the same kind of diseases man but then it doesnt mean na hayop pod ta .

Nganong wa may resemblance?

Humans share the same kind of diseases to animals but not all... another proof of evolution...

Ive been asking you if we do share the same pool of genes lage sa atong ancestors na APES kay otherwise , dili nato sila ancestors .

Nganong naka sulti man ka kung dli pa, dli nato sila ancestors?

I got what you are thinking.... Unhan nlang tika... A part of a gene pool mutates and changes for the better (and remember, mutation does not necessarily mean; for the better) , does not mean that automatically the rest of the gene pool must die out - although sometimes it does because the better apt mutated species get hold of natural resources and starves the ill apt species but often it does not die out, and hence the diversity of species.

You could just as well have asked "since we all descend from a single cell organism, why are there still single cell organisms?

And that question would be equally dumb

Until now bai THEORY ra na siya ... if kana ingon nimo na TECHNOLOGY nato na advance kaayo , there should be reason na ang THEORY mahimong CONCLUSION that will be accepted on both parties . Ngano wala pa man ? Mind you , AFAIK ...

Bro, it's not just a theory, but a SCIENTIFIC THEORY... Kahibaw ba ka unsay agian sa scientific theory?

Bro ayaw kalimte nga ang Theory of Evolution is both a Theory and a FACT...

When scientists say "evolution is a fact" they are using one of two meanings of the word "fact". One meaning is empirical, and when this is what scientists mean, then "evolution" is used to mean observed changes in allele frequencies or traits of a population over successive generations.

Another way "fact" is used is to refer to a certain kind of theory, one that has been so powerful and productive for such a long time that it is universally accepted by scientists. When scientists say evolution is a fact in this sense, they mean it is a fact that all living organisms have descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) even though this cannot be directly observed. This implies more tangibly that it is a fact that humans share a common ancestor with other primates.

naa na ang DNA technology sa 70's pa ... di pa lang kaayo developed unlike karon . Basin mo ingon na pod ka ha it takes billions or millions of years para mo evolved ang DNA tech nato so it can anser ll the questions being asked .

Yes sakto ka DNA technology sa 70s pa, pero it gathered more and more and more EVIDENCES for EVOLUTION.... And it doesn't mean na bisag nagsugod 70s ang DNA technology, it will not be a good basis for evolution... unsa may imong point ani imong "70s pa"? lol...

No one could tell, pero pwede kaayo mo high tech pa ang DNA tech for millions of years... Sa imo pang gi ingon, dli ta ka tell ana kay di na ta kita...

Not necessarily bai ... kita ka sa movies na starring gani mga hillbillies na lain kaayo ug mga dagway ? Ngano naa man na sila unya naa man ang mga normal na tao ? Inbreeding na sila bai but we still share the same pool of genes nila , dna , human anatomy , etc . There is no reason in vice versa na di na ta angay mo exit kay naa na sila .

Did you say SALIDA? and you considered it as a fact? lol...

Mao gani akong gi point out, naa rman diay na imong tubag, "there is no reason in vice versa na di na ta angay mo exit kay naa na sila"....

Indeed made easy bai ... nice video pod . But something is missing , they are only talking about MODERN HUMAN BEINGS , walay ancestors gi describe na dili modern na tao so ang ancestors wala gihapon gi apil . Just correct me if I am wrong .

So just research if kuwang...

That goes back to EUROPEANS and AMERICANS ... they are the same HUMAN BEINGS . But you cant say that AMD FAN is an AFRICAN , AMERICAN or EUROPEAN right ?

Then?

Bro .. the moment it is hungry and you let them out to its habitat . Now for the dogs , it adapted to its environment thats why we have a word for that , DOMESTICATED.

Dogs are known for adapting wide ranges of diet tungod na sa ilang physical features because they descended from wolves which is known to be carnivores... And again, dogs are carnivores and even omnivores....

Kung ang imo palang gi testingan ang kabayo ug mahimo ba silang carnivore.... kana nuon...

Pero try to leave a domesticated puppy in the care of wild dogs , kana if di siya kan-on pod , CARNIVORE na siya because of ADAPTATION and not MUTATION of their diet .

Bro, ang ako laging pangutana unsaon pagka dli ma carnivore ana nga carnivore naman na daan?

Bro testingi ang Kabayo ug ibutang nimo sa tankal kuyog ang deer, tanawon nato ug mahimo ba silang carnivore ug mag pinaakay ba ni sila...

Murag contradicting man bro ... how can SCIENCE already CONLCUDE it when you say EVOLUTION is not over yet . CONCLUSION is something you say because it ended , stopped and thats why ma justify siya because of that result .

Bro, concluded nana siya... Yes it is not ended kay nag evolve pman ang tanan... natural, unsaon pagkahuman?

Dli na maoy meaning sa conclusion bro... wa ka mo sulti unsay ma end... ang gpasabot unsay ma end is ma human na ug justify or nahumana pag identify... dli kay kinahanglan ma human ang tanang ebidensya...

Just like for example... ang observer nakakita atong usa ka tao nga ni dagan... sa ato pa before pa mka conclude nga ni dagan gyud to siya, kinahanglan mo hunong pa to syag dagan? ka paet pud...


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Why would that be ? Nothing is wrong with that , SCIENCE even looks up to the BIBLE and its verification . Do you really think wala basehi sa science ang bible on some of its discoveries when talk about religious artifacts ?
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So you're thinking that kung wa pa ni exist ang bible, walay science?

The point being made here is that it all messes up the moment naay mo sabot ani LITERALLY and by the way , di ba SCIENCE ra man pod ang nag link sa bible to some of its discoveries on ancient text and other religions ?

Then? would it add up to your evidence?

Since when man sad nahitabo na ang BIBLE was meant to DEBUNK anything SCIENCE comes up to ? Unless ang ka storya nimo mga fanatics and radicals and these are the very people who understands the bible literally .

Okay para nimo dli literal... Okay wa nay mo question nimo nga in harmony ang bible ug science kay para nimo dli literal ang bible... But again, there's no single evidence, that the writings from the bible were true.... There's no evidence that the writer really did write it for the word of a true GOD... that's my point...

Like I said depende sa kinsay ka storya nimo . Kung ang ka storya nimo kay fanatic or radical aw kana walay daog jud . Nothing is wrong if mo tuo ko ug anthropology and at the same sa bible pod . Not that bias ko because it favors me but because sama sa mga discoveries sa anthropology like the gospels , unearthed cities described in the bible etc ... nahatagan man ug CONCLUSION and it stopped there ... therefore I am CONVINCED and probably a million other theist pod .

So tungod lng sa gospels nga wa ta kaila kinsay ga suwat, na convince na dayon ka...
Tungod lng sa unearthed cities nga gi describe sa bible nga natural lang kay did2 man kani gi suwat ug natural lng nga kahibaw sila aning lugara kay mao man pud ning panahona sa pag suwat... na convince na dayon ka? Unya wa ka na convince sa writings about greek gods nga naay nakuswat nga unearthed cities?

Kanang explanation bai , out of SCIENCE ra pod na so di siya certain , it could be wrong but then base on studies obviously it is right . Now if mao na ang convictions nato , therefore it is not a MIRACLE anymore per se kay naa man explanation na hehehe .

Yeah it is not a miracle cause there's no such thing as miracle for me...

I believed bro 11th century siya ni occur . Daghan claims after these occurence tungod kay kabalo na ka religion is business .

Absolutely...

Well bai ... what does tha constitute if you open your mind ? Hehehe ... SCIENCE flopped on that one . The point there is dili ang MIRACLE bai as claimed by the church na the bread and wine turned into the real body and blood of Christ but ngano ang tissue na since 11th century pa siya which was concluded by SCIENE ang age niya but still fresh pa kaayo tan-awn and they are very much astounded sa hitabo . Thats how advance our technology right ? na trace pa gud nila ang bloodtype , age of the tissue and type of muscle / tissue sa human but then astounded as they are , wala silay explanation sa ngano wala siya mo rot .

Again bro, ari ra jud ni nimo makita sa mga catholic websites about aning ilang mga "scientist" kuno...

And that is only 1 of the hundreds of accounted for AUTHENTIC EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES witnessed by SCIENTIST themselves . Mo abot unta na siya ug thousands but then walay verification man from science and candidate ofr hoax pod ang uban bro .

Again bro, ari ra jud ni nimo makita sa mga catholic websites about aning ilang mga "scientist" kuno...
Give me names of those scientists...

[AMD_fan]

mga bro, mangapo nalang mo dili pa jud ni masulbad ang inyong gidebatehan...hehehe!

sa mga evolutionists nya dili motuo ug Supreme being, hunahunaa tawn nga dili ikaw ang tag iya sa imong kinabuhi! basin sa imong pagtuo nga mo evolve ka into a creature nga dili na mamatay...mas maayo na. but it will take billions of years pa tingali (sa inyong hunahuna)...hinuon kung pabilin ka sa imong idea nga walay ginoo, huwata nang panahuna!

Hunahunaa pud intawn nga dli ra christianity ang nag insurang religion... unsaon nlang tong ubang ginoo?

Ayaw mi hadloka kay ikaw ray motoo ug ginoo...

...wala pay tawo nga atheist or evolutionist nga naka invento ug butang nga mopugong sa iyang kamatayon. kung ang imong tuig maglisud man gani ug abot ug 50 yrs old, ai na pagtuga2 ug defensa ug hunahuna anang millions of years nga idea..wala nay ikatabang sa imohang kalag! think about it more deeply kanang ikaw nlang usa walay ni debate nimo para makasabot ka unsay imong kinahanglan sa kinabuhi.

Bro what if mo ingon ko nimo akong ginoo si Shiva, unsay ikatambag nimo? lol... ikaw ray mo too anang imong ginoo nga way ebidensya... ayaw nami sultihi ug hadloka anang kamatayon kay tanang tao mamatay... lol...

[biano]

Faith Alone in Jesus Christ can save us from Hell, but it should be preceded and followed by repentance. - Paul Washer.

[biano]

Daghan man ism ism sa atong kalibutan karon.. pero I don't believe in all of them but Jesus Christ and the Bible.

[schmuck]

bro nga scientist, kung gusto ka makasabot about sa imong kinabuhi and the existence of GOD, i challenge sya then try his power kung tinuod ba jud nga duna sya'y gahum.... is it fair?

or kung dili ka kabuhat ana, imo rang garbo ang nagdala nimo sa imong pag panabot karon!

ako na cyang gi ingnon kapila na nga kung tinuod siya, iya kung pakilatan diha2x daun. Wala man lagi

and dili ko scientist.