Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[kizzy_met21]

Yes Adam an Eve is our first Parent which was created by GOD..

are you sure cause the bible is most likely not to be trusted, since there are so many flaws as to who did god create first...

[AMD_fan]

Yes Adam an Eve is our first Parent which was created by GOD..

which means, we came from inbreeding? Do you know the risks of inbreeding?

If we came from Adam and Eve, they all knew who God was right, then how come people today are separated with other Gods?

Who came first? Adam or Eve?

[tripwire]

Yes Adam an Eve is our first Parent which was created by GOD..

No disrespect but I think you also have to read the bible again sir.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Mao naka ingon ko wala sila ga gamit sa commonsense kay ingon man ka... hehehe... actually, wa ko mo mention kinsa na pope... but for the past years of christianity, they all believe that the bible is literal kay wala pa may science atong panahona...

Past years bai ? Hehehe ... even in the time of St. Peter which is the very fist pope , naa nay SCIENCE , probably the word SCIENCE was just not onvented yet and they dont know it is SCIENCE in itself . Now to the topic and statement , it depends also kinsa na siya individually ... naa man Kristyano ni tuo ni galileo and naa pod wala but then because naay wala ni tuo doesnt make all Christians dili mo tuo .

You said it's only proper and right for us to recognize you as the creator? ka hambugero gud! hehehe.. Ngano paman? wa na guy laing ginoo, ikaw ra gyud... nganong magselos paman ang ginoo kung mag ampo ta ug laing tinohoan?

That is applicable in all SUPREME BEINGS . Murag ikaw na man ang ni contradict bai ... why would you convert to Islam and still worship the Judeo Christian God ?

Taysa bro, for your info, murag na over ra ka, walay tao nga indigenous gapuyo intawn sa north pole, mga scientist ra... makabuang ang tugnaw ngadto... hehehe...

Hehehe ... well area nearby which ang closest sa Northpole is Canada na still very far away or Australia sa SOuthpole . My point is , they are still HUMAN BEINGS ... wala man sila ni evolved from what used to be original , endemic species sa area millions of years ago , maski thousands lang .

So bro, wa gihapon nimo na figure out nganong ang mga tao sa North Pole dli man balhiboon kung tinuod ang evolution? katong sa panahon nga nagpuyo na sila sa north pole, naa na kana silay gisul-ob... kahibaw nana sila mohimo ug ilang sulobon sa ting tugnaw, probably na perfect nila less than 10 years... so wala gyud nahitabo ang pag mutate sa ilang lawas nga duna silay balhibo...

mao na akong gipasabot nimo ... how much more if you want to talk about what ahppened BILLIONS or MILLIONS of years ago .

And for your information bro, katong nag live sa colder temps are known for their squat bodies, which tend to conserve heat... which of course another proof for evolution...

Ngano ma proof man siya ? Are they transient to the area ? if they are then yes but how sure are you ? What if endemeic sila and indigenous sila ? Just because people adapts to climate changes , it doesnt justify anything at all of EVOLUTION . Abi kay pinoy na balikbayan , puti na or kano nagpa suntan mamuwa na ni evolve na diay ta .

Pero kung gahubo-ay pa sila sa ilang mga sapot, unya did2 lang sila sa dli kaayo tugnaw, mag lisod gihapon ni sila ug evolve kay they existed for just 15,000 years ra man, to think naa pa jud silay mga sapot ug na master na nila ang paghimo ug mga sapot pang tugnaw, unsa pamay gamit sa balhibo?...

Are you talking about SAPOT bai na what we call in the 21st century na FOUL WEATHER CLOTHES ?

And another possibility is that ang atong trait sa buhok, dli gyud kaayo effective sa bugnaw so mo take jud ni ug time to evolve which is ang 15,000 years kuwang ra jud kaayo...

How much more lage in BILLIONS or MILLIONS of years pa ... naay Scientist o researcher or ikaw mismo naa didto conducting the studies ? That is why currently theories ra ni sila kay gi tuohan nila back-up by evidences that could be RIGHT or WRONG ... nothing is wrong with that , its beenficial for everyone , what is not right is kanang CERTAIN kaayo ta na to the point we discount something na usa sa basis why naay studies ni exist pod .

Dli ko ka talk physical features kay ang akong example is not about physical features but related to a logical example which is about americans and Europeans... kay nangutana man ka ato nga nganong naa pay unggoy nga ni evolve naman kaha na into humans... so gi tubag tika sa akong logical example nga kung ang americans descended from europeans nganong naa pay europeans... hehehe...

Pero the logical idea does not equate to the answer na gipangayo ngano naa pay unggoy gihapon . Di ba naa pa gihapon mga buaya , snakes , isda , elephants , birds etc but wala na ang dinosaurs ?

Absolutely, but sad to say, they didn't survived... They could have been absorbed by the Cro-Magnon population by interbreeding... Pero bro, ma trace kaayo nimo sa mga aseans ug ubang europeans ang adunay ancestry nga gikan sa neanderthal... Bisag sa hitsura mailhan na nimo...

Lage makita sa lifetime... pero it doesn't mean nga dli na makita sa lifetime, dli na tinuod diba? Mao gani we gather evidence to confirm that...

Bisag sa pag dako nimo gikan pagkabata, dli raba gyud ka mka trace sa imong pagtubo kada oras...

Now we are talking about pohysical features ... unya lage ang blood types , pool of genes and most of all ang human anatomy , does it reflect to any resemblance ? For sure naa maski gamay sa human anatomy but it does not consitute kay maksi when speaking of animals , humans share the same kind of diseases man but then it doesnt mean na hayop pod ta .

Bro, again, daghan kaayo ebidensya nga dli kay suwat2x lang, istorya2x lang, magic2x lang ug unsa pa na diha... Grabe na ang technology karon like kung mang rape ka unya tanawon ang sample sa tissue sa biktima, makita gyud imong DNA ngad2... Kanang imong ipa DNA test ang gi anak sa imong asawa aron tanawon kung ang imong DNA ug ang DNA sa bata match ba... Kanang pag ila sa suspek nga ang buhok nahabilin sa crime scene, mailhan gyud intawn kung ipa DNA test ang buhok... Ma splice naman gani ang DNA karon... Bro grabe na kaayo atong genetics karon, unya wa gihapon kay salig sa ebidensya sa evolution sa genetics?

Ive been asking you if we do share the same pool of genes lage sa atong ancestors na APES kay otherwise , dili nato sila ancestors . Until now bai THEORY ra na siya ... if kana ingon nimo na TECHNOLOGY nato na advance kaayo , there should be reason na ang THEORY mahimong CONCLUSION that will be accepted on both parties . Ngano wala pa man ? Mind you , AFAIK ... naa na ang DNA technology sa 70's pa ... di pa lang kaayo developed unlike karon . Basin mo ingon na pod ka ha it takes billions or millions of years para mo evolved ang DNA tech nato so it can anser ll the questions being asked .

Pareha ra pud ni ani nga question, kung gipanganak ko sa akong mama unya naa koy gamay nga mutation, kinahanglan mamatay gyud diay akong mama?

Not necessarily bai ... kita ka sa movies na starring gani mga hillbillies na lain kaayo ug mga dagway ? Ngano naa man na sila unya naa man ang mga normal na tao ? Inbreeding na sila bai but we still share the same pool of genes nila , dna , human anatomy , etc . There is no reason in vice versa na di na ta angay mo exit kay naa na sila .

It's in Genetics bro ug taas kaayo ang explanation ani... just read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolutionary_genetics

or tanaw ana nga video (human ancestry made easy) to better understand: youtube.com/watch?v=gW-0by_hZYI&feature=related

Ikaw nlay bahalag sabot unya ibutang dri asa ka ni contradict... kay ato lang tubagon...

Indeed made easy bai ... nice video pod . But something is missing , they are only talking about MODERN HUMAN BEINGS , walay ancestors gi describe na dili modern na tao so ang ancestors wala gihapon gi apil . Just correct me if I am wrong .

A cow can't be a goat because it's a cow... A snake can't be a cat because it's a snake... a dog can't be a plant because it's a dog... what kind of question is that?

Cows are bovines which includes bulls, kabaw, tamaraw ug uban pa...
Snakes are reptiles which includes tiki, tabili ug uban pa...
Dogs are canines which includes askal ug uban pa..

That goes back to EUROPEANS and AMERICANS ... they are the same HUMAN BEINGS . But you cant say that AMD FAN is an AFRICAN , AMERICAN or EUROPEAN right ?

Of course bro... sakto ka... mo carnivore na... pero wa nimo apili ug time? like for a thousand years? how many days was that?

Bisag among iro bro carnivore bisag sige namo pakaon dog food... Ang among manok maoy sigeg kaon.. Mo kaon man gani nag sagbot ang iro...

By the way, dogs are omnivores and carnivores... dogs can adapt to a wide-ranging diet...

Bro .. the moment it is hungry and you let them out to its habitat . Now for the dogs , it adapted to its environment thats why we have a word for that , DOMESTICATED . Pero try to leave a domesticated puppy in the care of wild dogs , kana if di siya kan-on pod , CARNIVORE na siya because of ADAPTATION and not MUTATION of their diet .

Yes it ends with a conclusion... And it did end into a conclusion that therefore evolution does happen and still happening...

Could be wrong, you're right... but it doesn't mean it could be wrong that your bible is right...

Murag contradicting man bro ... how can SCIENCE already CONLCUDE it when you say EVOLUTION is not over yet . CONCLUSION is something you say because it ended , stopped and thats why ma justify siya because of that result .

Bro, trust me, it's not a good tandem...

Why would that be ? Nothing is wrong with that , SCIENCE even looks up to the BIBLE and its verification . Do you really think wala basehi sa science ang bible on some of its discoveries when talk about religious artifacts ?

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Okay... I don't argue to that.. But again, it won't add up to your evidence...

That's why I became an Atheist, commonsense... I love that word...

Again, literal or not for you, it won't add up to your evidence... Even if the bible is just a fable a parable or literal, it has no evidence at all including all ancient texts of other religions...

The point being made here is that it all messes up the moment naay mo sabot ani LITERALLY and by the way , di ba SCIENCE ra man pod ang nag link sa bible to some of its discoveries on ancient text and other religions ?

For the vast evidence that we have that evolution works, for me, it's certain...
The bible is so uncertain that it has no single evidence at all...

Since when man sad nahitabo na ang BIBLE was meant to DEBUNK anything SCIENCE comes up to ? Unless ang ka storya nimo mga fanatics and radicals and these are the very people who understands the bible literally .

No, nag ingon ba diay ko? Ikaw man akong gi ingnan na how come mo too ka sa anthropology nga die-hard man kaayo ka sa bible? mao na akong gi ingon pag una nga kung ang mga christians gani kung gamiton ang science sa ilang religion, nindot ang science... pero ug ang science gamiton gani sa pure scientific analysis, sayop na...

Like I said depende sa kinsay ka storya nimo . Kung ang ka storya nimo kay fanatic or radical aw kana walay daog jud . Nothing is wrong if mo tuo ko ug anthropology and at the same sa bible pod . Not that bias ko because it favors me but because sama sa mga discoveries sa anthropology like the gospels , unearthed cities described in the bible etc ... nahatagan man ug CONCLUSION and it stopped there ... therefore I am CONVINCED and probably a million other theist pod .

Yeah I agree to that... that's why Science and Religion won't match up... But, science did a fair job of letting know those who are bible fanatics where humans do really came from...

Hehehehe ... bro , reciprocal ra kaayo na statement nimo . Like I said depende kinsay ka storya nimo but ang bottomline is di pa jud ta certain sa CONCLUSION but on a personal level ? Mas incline ko sa SCIENCE but then it does not make the bible a regular bed time story book , remember the possibilities na si Adam and Eve ang missing link ? The organic farming ? Why inbreeding is out of the story ?

I've heard tons of miracles... but each of them has an explanation...

Kanang explanation bai , out of SCIENCE ra pod na so di siya certain , it could be wrong but then base on studies obviously it is right . Now if mao na ang convictions nato , therefore it is not a MIRACLE anymore per se kay naa man explanation na hehehe .

Kanusa mani nahitabo nga lanciano eucharistic miracle? kay daghan man gud nahitabo kuno sa lunciano... nga pulos lang claims... hehehe...

I believed bro 11th century siya ni occur . Daghan claims after these occurence tungod kay kabalo na ka religion is business .

Now, according to various Catholic websites, the physician Dr. Edoardo Linoli examined the Eucharistic host at Lanciano and found it be composed of human heart muscle. And the Blood was human blood, type AB. And that his findings were confirmed by the Higher Council of the WHO (World Health Organization). The problem is that there is no Higher Council of the WHO. The WHO does not have such a structure and that the findings are only found on the Catholic websites. This sounds similar to the Oil Well to Hell hoax that many Fundementalists Protestants still fall for to this very day, and that the Catholic websites have unwillingly parroted a lie.

Bisag asa ka mo search bro, sa catholic websites ra gyud kana nimo makit-an...

Mas nindot pa tanawon ang magic ni Criss Angel ana... hehehe...

Well bai ... what does tha constitute if you open your mind ? Hehehe ... SCIENCE flopped on that one . The point there is dili ang MIRACLE bai as claimed by the church na the bread and wine turned into the real body and blood of Christ but ngano ang tissue na since 11th century pa siya which was concluded by SCIENE ang age niya but still fresh pa kaayo tan-awn and they are very much astounded sa hitabo . Thats how advance our technology right ? na trace pa gud nila ang bloodtype , age of the tissue and type of muscle / tissue sa human but then astounded as they are , wala silay explanation sa ngano wala siya mo rot .

And that is only 1 of the hundreds of accounted for AUTHENTIC EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES witnessed by SCIENTIST themselves . Mo abot unta na siya ug thousands but then walay verification man from science and candidate ofr hoax pod ang uban bro .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
brad, as being summarized the law of nature states, only the strong will survive and the weak will perish...although not the exact same words but the main point is there...htose cavemen and neanderthals would have not survived to this point because humans as we all know continue to broaden their knwledge...kahibaw jud ka ana kay human man ka...and those who are weak would have either been diminished by stronger and more capable evolved human beings...it's simple, if you cannot cannot outsmart those around you then, you wouldn't be able to survive especially when given the fact that at those times they were very barbaric...think about it...

So sa laktod na storya wala na unta ang mag 3rd world nations kay naa gud mga super power nations .

[MRchurchill]

ako ky sa base sa bible jud akoa bisan unsaon.

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I want to join the debate pero there are more pressing concerns as of the moment.

Ma'am ikaw na sa imohang avatar?

[schmuck]

Atong e-elaborate imong gisulti bro ha.. naay poodle + labrador = labradoodle?
maong naa pay poodle og labrador ug wla sila nawala ang ilang breed..or shih tzue og ang maltese mao naa pa sila dba?
Meaning ang tao.. naay APE + ? = MAN?
Meaning ang tao is crossbreed sad na siya Unsay may gi crossbreed sa tau? APE + ? = MAN?

Bro kong gikan pata sa APE giunsa man nato pagkabalo istorya? nganong LAHI2x man ta ug Language?
At least genesis stated it why..

[tokidoki]

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@schmuck: mao! wala pa ni nahuman?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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Hehehe ang walang kahumanang ATHIEST vs THEIST , BIBLE and SCIENCE , atbp .

@ MRHURCHILL ... diskarte na lang ka sa chics kay kapoy ug tubay ? Hahaha !!

[junmar4]

Yes Adam an Eve is our first Parent which was created by GOD..

First? Which? God?

kang kinsa man ka nga family line, cain or abel?