Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[gkoopir]

Pareha sa breeding sa mga iro, ang poodle wala mawagtang bisag aduna nay labradoodle nga breed... ang shih tzu ug ang maltese wala mawagtang bisag aduna nay malshih nga breed... gets?

Atong e-elaborate imong gisulti bro ha.. naay poodle + labrador = labradoodle?
maong naa pay poodle og labrador ug wla sila nawala ang ilang breed..or shih tzue og ang maltese mao naa pa sila dba?
Meaning ang tao.. naay APE + ? = MAN?
Meaning ang tao is crossbreed sad na siya Unsay may gi crossbreed sa tau? APE + ? = MAN?

Bro kong gikan pata sa APE giunsa man nato pagkabalo istorya? nganong LAHI2x man ta ug Language?
At least genesis stated it why..

[tripwire]

ay'g eliko ang topic... topic is who do you believed? karon imong e-liko sa contradiction? if you will understand it text by text mao nang ing.ana.
GOD created a man and it is stated in genesis and my previous post is one of the backup of my answer that it is true..
In science kinsa man nag tudlo ug circumcise? Diin gikan ang science in creation of man? Atleast in the bible it is stated that GOD had commanded and made a covenant with MAN.

I have to disagree with you sir.

If you read the Genesis book from the very beginning, God already made people before Adam and Eve. My point? The inconsistencies of the story/creation of man. Circumcision? Ancient Egypt started all that for some "ritualistic religion" for boys becoming adulthood. The bible didn't start all that. When Moses got out from Egypt... the tradition continued until now. Why science? Diseases are pertinent to those who aren't...

[tripwire]

Atong e-elaborate imong gisulti bro ha.. naay poodle + labrador = labradoodle?
maong naa pay poodle og labrador ug wla sila nawala ang ilang breed..or shih tzue og ang maltese mao naa pa sila dba?
Meaning ang tao.. naay APE + ? = MAN?
Meaning ang tao is crossbreed sad na siya Unsay may gi crossbreed sa tau? APE + ? = MAN?

Bro kong gikan pata sa APE giunsa man nato pagkabalo istorya? nganong LAHI2x man ta ug Language?
At least genesis stated it why..

I guess you need to upgrade your science sir.

[kizzy_met21]

Atong e-elaborate imong gisulti bro ha.. naay poodle + labrador = labradoodle?
maong naa pay poodle og labrador ug wla sila nawala ang ilang breed..or shih tzue og ang maltese mao naa pa sila dba?
Meaning ang tao.. naay APE + ? = MAN?
Meaning ang tao is crossbreed sad na siya Unsay may gi crossbreed sa tau? APE + ? = MAN?

Bro kong gikan pata sa APE giunsa man nato pagkabalo istorya? nganong LAHI2x man ta ug Language?
At least genesis stated it why..

Brad, mao ni definition sa Evolution:

Evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations.[1] After a population splits into smaller groups, these groups evolve independently and may eventually diversify into new species. Ultimately, life is descended from a common ancestory through a long series of these speciation events, stretching back in a tree of life that has grown over the 3,500 million years of life on Earth.

This is visible in anatomical, genetic and other likenesses between groups of organisms, geographical distribution of related species, the fossil record and the recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations. To distinguish from other uses of the word evolution, it is sometimes termed biological evolution, genetic evolution or organic evolution.[2][3][4]

pangitaa na sa imong science book brad para maka hibaw ka unsay meaning anang evolution...

[kizzy_met21]

I guess you need to upgrade your science sir.

tumpak jud ka sis...hehehe...murag kinahanglan pani xa mag himo ug thesis dah...kulang pa sa research...

[AMD_fan]

Ngano naka ingon man ka na wala sila ga gamit ? Ni ingon diay ang POPE na tinuod jud ni ? maski kins ana THEOLOGIAN pangutan-on nimo , its not meant to be undestood literally but then sadly tinuod man jud na naay ni sabot ani literally.

Mao naka ingon ko wala sila ga gamit sa commonsense kay ingon man ka... hehehe... actually, wa ko mo mention kinsa na pope... but for the past years of christianity, they all believe that the bible is literal kay wala pa may science atong panahona...

Actually gi bawi na nako ang word na FABLE because misuse it instead of PARABLE but then wala man pod ko ni sulti na ang Book of Genesis is a parable though for me it is because it implies something more deeper kung sabton lang jud .

Okay... So parable para nimo...

Of course ! Sama nimo ug the rest sa mga ATHEIST ... If ako ang GINOO and I made you , its only proper and right for you guys to recognize me as your CREATOR . Makes sense ?

You said it's only proper and right for us to recognize you as the creator? ka hambugero gud! hehehe.. Ngano paman? wa na guy laing ginoo, ikaw ra gyud... nganong magselos paman ang ginoo kung mag ampo ta ug laing tinohoan?

Di ba ni ingon na man ka from APES ni erect ang ang postures sa HOMO ERECTUS ? Ngano mga tao sa SOUTH and NORTHPOLE or kanang diha dapita , even Alaska .... dili man balbon ang mga locals didto na di ba the WHOLLY MAMMOTH is wrap in think coat man unta to protect them from below zero temps ? Wala unta na ni mutate ang tao pod pero kay ngano walay labong na balhibo man and tibuok lawas ? Because HUMAN BEINGS are just like that .

Taysa bro, for your info, murag na over ra ka, walay tao nga indigenous gapuyo intawn sa north pole, mga scientist ra... makabuang ang tugnaw ngadto... hehehe...

So bro, wa gihapon nimo na figure out nganong ang mga tao sa North Pole dli man balhiboon kung tinuod ang evolution? katong sa panahon nga nagpuyo na sila sa north pole, naa na kana silay gisul-ob... kahibaw nana sila mohimo ug ilang sulobon sa ting tugnaw, probably na perfect nila less than 10 years... so wala gyud nahitabo ang pag mutate sa ilang lawas nga duna silay balhibo...

And for your information bro, katong nag live sa colder temps are known for their squat bodies, which tend to conserve heat... which of course another proof for evolution...

Pero kung gahubo-ay pa sila sa ilang mga sapot, unya did2 lang sila sa dli kaayo tugnaw, mag lisod gihapon ni sila ug evolve kay they existed for just 15,000 years ra man, to think naa pa jud silay mga sapot ug na master na nila ang paghimo ug mga sapot pang tugnaw, unsa pamay gamit sa balhibo?...

And another possibility is that ang atong trait sa buhok, dli gyud kaayo effective sa bugnaw so mo take jud ni ug time to evolve which is ang 15,000 years kuwang ra jud kaayo...


Kung sa bible pa nga perspective, nganong wa man tagai ang tao sa north pole ug daghang balhibo sa ginoo?

Dili oi .... ngano di man ka talk about PHYSICAL FEATURES when in fact ikaw man ni explain gani about the monkeys ni shorten ang fingers that became what is man today kay di na gamiton man tungod no need na mo kapyot sa kahoy .

Dli ko ka talk physical features kay ang akong example is not about physical features but related to a logical example which is about americans and Europeans... kay nangutana man ka ato nga nganong naa pay unggoy nga ni evolve naman kaha na into humans... so gi tubag tika sa akong logical example nga kung ang americans descended from europeans nganong naa pay europeans... hehehe...

ngano imo naman nuon na gi relate oiz... hehehe...

Sa laktod na istorya , naa unta ang mga NEANDERTHAL MAN , CAVEMEN , etc hantod karon unta if that is the case .

Absolutely, but sad to say, they didn't survived... They could have been absorbed by the Cro-Magnon population by interbreeding... Pero bro, ma trace kaayo nimo sa mga aseans ug ubang europeans ang adunay ancestry nga gikan sa neanderthal... Bisag sa hitsura mailhan na nimo...

Sama ra lage na mo ingon ka na unsay naay sa ancestors nato billions of years ago na naa gihapon nato karon . Mind you kana na ancestors ako gipasabot kay centuries old pa lang . mao na akong gipasabot , proven siya because someone or somebody confirmed it kay its in a lifetime period unlike sa panahon na gipasabot nimo , kinsay mo vouch ato nila .

Lage makita sa lifetime... pero it doesn't mean nga dli na makita sa lifetime, dli na tinuod diba? Mao gani we gather evidence to confirm that...

Bisag sa pag dako nimo gikan pagkabata, dli raba gyud ka mka trace sa imong pagtubo kada oras...

WHy are you so certain that we mutated from APES ? Like I said ... if naay mutation ngano naay nagpabilin man lage na original specie ?

Bro, again, daghan kaayo ebidensya nga dli kay suwat2x lang, istorya2x lang, magic2x lang ug unsa pa na diha... Grabe na ang technology karon like kung mang rape ka unya tanawon ang sample sa tissue sa biktima, makita gyud imong DNA ngad2... Kanang imong ipa DNA test ang gi anak sa imong asawa aron tanawon kung ang imong DNA ug ang DNA sa bata match ba... Kanang pag ila sa suspek nga ang buhok nahabilin sa crime scene, mailhan gyud intawn kung ipa DNA test ang buhok... Ma splice naman gani ang DNA karon... Bro grabe na kaayo atong genetics karon, unya wa gihapon kay salig sa ebidensya sa evolution sa genetics?

Naa napud ka aning pangutana kung naay mutation ngano naay nagpabiling nga original specie... Pareha ra na sa akong pangutana sa babaw nga kung ang Americans descended from Europeans nganong naa pay Europeans...

Pareha ra pud ni ani nga question, kung gipanganak ko sa akong mama unya naa koy gamay nga mutation, kinahanglan mamatay gyud diay akong mama?

Natural kay mao man na explanation nimo but then it is not certain and not in this lifetime , gubang plaka na ta ani . Pero balikon nato logic nimo .... no matter what kinsay BIOLOGICAL PARENTS nimo , we still share something in common sa genes sa immediate family nato to include our first degree relatives . Pangitaa kuno ang gi share nato na genes sa supposed na ancestors nato that will justify that we share the same blood type , working organs , pool of genes etc sa atong " ancestors " that still existed till today .

It's in Genetics bro ug taas kaayo ang explanation ani... just read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolutionary_genetics

or tanaw ana nga video (human ancestry made easy) to better understand: youtube.com/watch?v=gW-0by_hZYI&feature=related

Ikaw nlay bahalag sabot unya ibutang dri asa ka ni contradict... kay ato lang tubagon...

A cow cant be a goat , a snake cant be a cat , a dog cant be a plant and so on and so forth .

A cow can't be a goat because it's a cow... A snake can't be a cat because it's a snake... a dog can't be a plant because it's a dog... what kind of question is that?

Cows are bovines which includes bulls, kabaw, tamaraw ug uban pa...
Snakes are reptiles which includes tiki, tabili ug uban pa...
Dogs are canines which includes askal ug uban pa..

mao na siya bisaya sa Philippine Macaque bai hehehehe ... endemic nato na unggoy .

Ahh see... thanks for the term...

Huh ? take the dogs for example ... a captive na wild dog as a pup or adult will eat dogfood , trust me because Ive seen one . Pero the moment buhian nimo siya sa habitat niya , he or she will always be the carnivore he or she was meant to be .

Of course bro... sakto ka... mo carnivore na... pero wa nimo apili ug time? like for a thousand years? how many days was that?

Bisag among iro bro carnivore bisag sige namo pakaon dog food... Ang among manok maoy sigeg kaon.. Mo kaon man gani nag sagbot ang iro...

By the way, dogs are omnivores and carnivores... dogs can adapt to a wide-ranging diet...

Anyways ... unsa gani to ang steps / procedures in doing SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH ? It should end with a CONCLUSION aron mahimo siyang FACT right ? The evidences gathered could be wrong but for the moment its a good lead for studies and research purposes .

Yes it ends with a conclusion... And it did end into a conclusion that therefore evolution does happen and still happening...

Could be wrong, you're right... but it doesn't mean it could be wrong that your bible is right...

I do believe in both actually , SCIENCE and the BIBLE na tandem jud na sila but I am a THEIST . Sarado Katoliko ko , anyways .... I use my commonsense in understanding the bible though I may not be that well educated or well verse sa contents but I did read it one time straight the Book of Genesis to Revelation . I dont use the bible as a reasoning in debunking something , I make soure though BIBLE is tandem with SCIENCE .

Bro, trust me, it's not a good tandem...

Do you really think that Jesus raise dead people ? Fed 5000 people with a couple of loaves of bread ? made wine out of water ? The answer is no but it reaches out to something that people think is a " fable " my bad instead of being a PARABLE .

Okay... I don't argue to that.. But again, it won't add up to your evidence...

Mind you also that LITERAL UNDERSTANDING doesnt equate to SIMILAR INTERPRETATION . Ok we both understood it literally but it doesnt mean na ang atong pagsabot pareho . We could end up with totally different views to it but then we are not bible scholars so its not right to say which is right and which is wrong thats why I rely more on commonsense because it makes more sense in a deeper understanding of it on my behalf .

That's why I became an Atheist, commonsense... I love that word...

Again, literal or not for you, it won't add up to your evidence... Even if the bible is just a fable a parable or literal, it has no evidence at all including all ancient texts of other religions...

Of course I do , thats what I said about relating it to ORGANIC FARMING right ??

Okay...

You are trying to say that I would say everything about SCIENCE is wrong hehehe ... dili bai . Some are not just CERTAIN yet and not in this lifetime .

For the vast evidence that we have that evolution works, for me, it's certain...
The bible is so uncertain that it has no single evidence at all...

If that is the case , you are basically saying na sayop ang findings and conclusions sa mga ANTHROPOLOGY people who made the discovery .

No, nag ingon ba diay ko? Ikaw man akong gi ingnan na how come mo too ka sa anthropology nga die-hard man kaayo ka sa bible?
mao na akong gi ingon pag una nga kung ang mga christians gani kung gamiton ang science sa ilang religion, nindot ang science... pero ug ang science gamiton gani sa pure scientific analysis, sayop na...

Indeed that is true and you know walay evidence ? Hehehe because SCIENCE is not capable of handling it . heard of the LANCIANO EUCHARISTIC MIRACLE bai ? Hands up mga DOCTORS and SCIENTIST ato , isa gud sila sa white flag .

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Yeah I agree to that... that's why Science and Religion won't match up... But, science did a fair job of letting know those who are bible fanatics where humans do really came from...

I've heard tons of miracles... but each of them has an explanation...

Kanusa mani nahitabo nga lanciano eucharistic miracle? kay daghan man gud nahitabo kuno sa lunciano... nga pulos lang claims... hehehe...

Now, according to various Catholic websites, the physician Dr. Edoardo Linoli examined the Eucharistic host at Lanciano and found it be composed of human heart muscle. And the Blood was human blood, type AB. And that his findings were confirmed by the Higher Council of the WHO (World Health Organization). The problem is that there is no Higher Council of the WHO. The WHO does not have such a structure and that the findings are only found on the Catholic websites. This sounds similar to the Oil Well to Hell hoax that many Fundementalists Protestants still fall for to this very day, and that the Catholic websites have unwillingly parroted a lie.

Bisag asa ka mo search bro, sa catholic websites ra gyud kana nimo makit-an...

Mas nindot pa tanawon ang magic ni Criss Angel ana... hehehe...

[kizzy_met21]

@SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
brad, as being summarized the law of nature states, only the strong will survive and the weak will perish...although not the exact same words but the main point is there...htose cavemen and neanderthals would have not survived to this point because humans as we all know continue to broaden their knwledge...kahibaw jud ka ana kay human man ka...and those who are weak would have either been diminished by stronger and more capable evolved human beings...it's simple, if you cannot cannot outsmart those around you then, you wouldn't be able to survive especially when given the fact that at those times they were very barbaric...think about it...

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Atong e-elaborate imong gisulti bro ha.. naay poodle + labrador = labradoodle?
maong naa pay poodle og labrador ug wla sila nawala ang ilang breed..or shih tzue og ang maltese mao naa pa sila dba?
Meaning ang tao.. naay APE + ? = MAN?
Meaning ang tao is crossbreed sad na siya Unsay may gi crossbreed sa tau? APE + ? = MAN?

Bro kong gikan pata sa APE giunsa man nato pagkabalo istorya? nganong LAHI2x man ta ug Language?
At least genesis stated it why..

Bro, wa ka kabasa about other species of humans akong reply ni springfield? Gi interbreed ta bro ug wa gi crossbred kay dli man ta iro...

Bro, maong naglahilahi atong language kay ni evolve naman ang language sa lain2x nga dapit... Pareha gud nato ang atong bisaya di na kaayo bisaya gyud... naa na english ug tagalog gamay nasagol... hehehe...

Pero ang kanang language naa pud nay family tree... Ug pareha pud ni ug evolution nga naay common ancestor... Like sa French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian gi kuha kini sa Latin.. Kung mag kat-on kag latin, dali ra kaayo ka makat-on ani nga mga language kay mao2x ra gyud ni sila..


Pareha gud sa English nga gikuha sa British English...

Kung mo ad2 pud kag africa nya naay mga tribes ngad2 or nakakita ba ka sa salida nga Gods must be crazy, ang language sagulag takla ug tuklo unya dli gyud nimo masabot, mao ni usa sa pinakauna nga language kay dli pman fully developed atong vocals ani...

[kizzy_met21]

Bro, wa ka kabasa about other species of humans akong reply ni springfield? Gi interbreed ta bro ug wa gi crossbred kay dli man ta iro...

Bro, maong naglahilahi atong language kay ni evolve naman ang language sa lain2x nga dapit... Pareha gud nato ang atong bisaya di na kaayo bisaya gyud... naa na english ug tagalog gamay nasagol... hehehe...

Pero ang kanang language naa pud nay family tree... Ug pareha pud ni ug evolution nga naay common ancestor... Like sa French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian gi kuha kini sa Latin.. Kung mag kat-on kag latin, dali ra kaayo ka makat-on ani nga mga language kay mao2x ra gyud ni sila..


Pareha gud sa British English nga gikuha sa English...

Kung mo ad2 pud kag africa or nakakita ba ka sa salida nga Gods must be crazy, ang language sagulag takla ug tuklo unya dli gyud nimo masabot, mao ni usa sa pinakauna nga language kay dli pman fully developed atong vocals ani...

I totally agree with this...simple rman na oi ang bahin sa different languages...we have evolved into the ultimate mammal, we are capable of thinking and acting out of nature's diversity...we have been given the capability to analyze and make use of our knowledge for millions of years...certainly in the old times, there were only a few languages available but as time passes by we gradually learn to make new sounds using our mouth, tongue and even our nose...think of a new born baby which would eventually grow and learn to use the different aspects of their body...that's almost the same with evolution...we learn to mimic sounds, and especially now at the present, we can even speak at about 25 different languages if we want to but first we have to learn them, that's how everything goes...it doesn't happen right away...

[gkoopir]

I have to disagree with you sir.

If you read the Genesis book from the very beginning, God already made people before Adam and Eve. My point? The inconsistencies of the story/creation of man. Circumcision? Ancient Egypt started all that for some "ritualistic religion" for boys becoming adulthood. The bible didn't start all that. When Moses got out from Egypt... the tradition continued until now. Why science? Diseases are pertinent to those who aren't...

Yes Adam an Eve is our first Parent which was created by GOD..