Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

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il ask you this.. if your wife would go abroad for many years nya nig balik nya mu ingon cya ug i never cheated on you. mu tuo ka? or mu react ka sa imung gipang react sa aning thread nga "walay may proof nga wala ka ni cheat nako, why shud i believe you??" pakita ko ug mga tests results nga wala ka ni cheat beh para mu support nga tinuod wala ka ni cheat nako.

ofcorz if naay proofs sayon ra jd ayo tuohon. alangan! right then and there gud na. makita nimu sa imu naked eyes. mura rana science.

but don't tell me ders no part in you nga mu trust jd sa imung wife's word even without proof? if wala, that's so sad.

mao na very simple example bro of "faith". you believe even without your wife showing you proofs.
mura rapud na sa ako pasabot niha nga "relationshiP" between my God.

science has all it's easy ways to convince humans.. thus very very very easy to believe..

but there is also another side of life which is "faith". which may not be easy to believe, but we can't deny the fact nga naa ghapn nay possibility.

i hope you will not come to a point in your life nga everything needs to be evidences and proofs in everything you do. general ni ha. di ni about God stuffs. general bah. mayta di ka mu abot ingon ana kay intawon... that's so sad.

brad ma test man ni with lie detectors kung nagsulti cya sa tinuod or wala. It may sound ridiculous but the point is that your analogy is testable. Ang imong ginoo, testable or dili? Unless both your analogy and your god are on the same page, your analogy will not hold water.

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unsa diay imo bro?

naa pa mas una sa bible ug sa science bro which is for me mas lig-on... if you have the will to know you will find out

[jet]

kapoya adto skwilahan way maestra. T_T

anyway,

If what you said are true, of course it's hallucination...

ahh so think nimu bot boton nalang lugar ko nga tao nga boang ga cgeg hallucinate nga kailangan mu seek ug psychiatrist? haha.. you keep on talking about logic and common sense. huna huna.a tarong, ang boang maka reason bah ug ingon ani or ang ga hallucinate nga tao willing bah mu defend sa iyang hallucination nga dili hallucination? ang tao ga hallucinate, mangita ug tabang, mangita ug tambal. kay khbaw cya ga hallucinate cya. kung khbaw ka wala ka ga hallucinate, mu defend jd ka sa imung experience.

Bro again, what if naay mo ingon nimo nag istoryahanay sila ni shiva? di ka motoo ana? unya sa pag too niya perfectly sane pud siya... unsa may imo masulti?

lol idol jd ayo nimu c shiva sah? first and foremost, kung kaila ko sa imung pagka tao, botbotun bah ka or seryoso.. mu determine na dira if ma tuohan tka or di. 2nd kung mu reveal na nako c shiva just like what my God revealed to me, i would.. like i said sa previous post, it takes a "revelation" to one's eyes to see God.

Ka kuyaw gud nimo ug huna2x bro... Bisag wala jud diay gibuhat imong asawa ug wala juy bisag usa nga ebidensya o bisag timailhan lng bisag gamay nga nag cheat, magduda na ka niya?

get your facts straight. asa man ka nikuha anang information? at which point did i ever say nga mag duda ko sa akong asawa? read the thread again. perhaps this is also how you react to other informations? ni ingon pa gani ko if ingon ana ka, "that so sad". nya mu conclude ka nga nag duda ko sa akong asawa?

Ang bibliya lahi na bro, kay daghan statements ug story sa bibliya nga pwede ma test pareha sa noah's ark nga story nga nasubrahan ka botbot... Bisag unsaon nimog bali2x kuha ug ebidensya, e-test or e-analyze dli jud possible...

here you go again concluding your own judgment. i don't want to spoon feed but.. imagina lang ha... ordinary ra ayo ko nga tao nya mu adto lang ko sa goolge type "evidences that noah's ark is real". daghan ayo mang gawas ug results. yet you conluded yourself nga walay ebidensya? walay gi-test or analayz? asa naman sad ka kuha ana nga thought? generalize bah na? or imu imu ranang opinion. buhata sa gud na adto sa google and type those simple words.. awa if walay evidence.

Lahi ma na imong faith sa God bro kay ancient text ra man na unlike sa imong asawa nga buhi ug naa mn gyud diha... Ang pangutana gud diha gi unsa nimo pagkahibaw nga ang gi sulti sa bibliya sakto... what if ang tinuod nga ginoo si Shiva diay?

as what i have said again all over again bro, base lage sa ako experience. i experienced him. khbaw ko mag lisud ka ug tuo ana
1. cuz wa ka kaila nako. wa ka kaila sa akong pagkatao. makahbaw kaha ka wen ko mamakak ug wen ko mu sulti ug tinuod? khbaw ka? dili.
2. wala paka ka recieve ug "revelation".
3. you believed walay evidences..and you dint even take a 2nd chance to get over it again. di you really search hard bro? or kta lang ka way evidence nya wa na dayon give up on the topic na dayon. bsag kani lang nga information diri beh..
"http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml"
kana fav topic nimu creation vs evolution. cyaro wa ka search ana?
scientific mind man kaha ka. di jd ka pede mu undang ug learn everyday.

How can you be so sure nga dli na binutbotay ila? What about other gods and goddesses way back before Christianity? Naa pud ni silay istorya, bibliya ug uban pa... Sa ato pa ug naay mo ingon nakakita jud silag alien, tinuod pud to? kay kung unsay istoryang karaan para nimo, tinuod naman largo without any logical evidence or even just a single evidence?

naminaw ka sa akong gipang storya wala? ni sulti gani ko nga maybe dili na accurate tanan, na distort na ang information, daghan na ayo versions2x kay pila na ka generation na pasa. kung wa koy logical thinking mu tuo unta ko tanan sa ilang gipang sulti. ako ra gi point out nga.. naay naka cause nga nisulti cla ana bah. gets? cause and effect bah. not necessarily sakto, but naay na happen nga naka sulti cla ana.

ikaw kung natagak ka sa jeep karon, nya mu sulti ka sa imung anak nga anak na huog bya ko sa jeep karon. nya ipasa sa imung anak sa iyang anak nahuog bya imung lolo sa jeep sauna. nya ipasa na for thousands of generation. possible ayo nga ma chagne nana. hala c lolo nahuog daw ug building. or hala c lolo na ligsan ug jeep. etc etc. sabta sa gud akong point.
nya mu ask imung grand grand grand grand grand children asa man ang evidence nga nahuog c lolo sa jeeP? cge daw beh i prove daw na.

same thing sa tao before bro. naay something na happen. nga for so many thousands of yearrrrssss na pasa na hantod karon sa atong generation. pero naay uban ma prove, uban di ma prove.
dili na ma pasa pasa ang story bro if botbotan rana tanan.. you think the bible would survive 2000 years if no single person believed?

How about other religion's faith? They also have possibilities...

in which thread or reply did i ever say "botbot man nang mga religion sa uban kana mga gods and goddesses di man na tinuod"? ofcorz they have possibilities. gi base raman nako sa akong experience. nga i experience my God "real" sa ako life. ni ingon day ko .. ay bot bot man na c zeus.. botbot man na c shiva. botbot man na c allah? ni ingon ko wala? sabta sa ako point una.

Lol...
It's not just evidence, but also knowledge and logical thinking... Ug mo ingon ko nimo na nag showing na ang Transformers Part 8, evidence ra imo pangitaon without even thinking logically or just by using commonsense?

exactly. kinsa may nakig kontra nimo? haha.

[jet]

brad ma test man ni with lie detectors kung nagsulti cya sa tinuod or wala. It may sound ridiculous but the point is that your analogy is testable. Ang imong ginoo, testable or dili? Unless both your analogy and your god are on the same page, your analogy will not hold water.

"Do not put the Lord your God to the test." Matthew 4:7 (NIV)
kung familiar ka ug bible kapila gi test c Jesus sa desert ni satan nga iprove nya nga God cya.. pero wa jd cya ni give in dba?

nganu man ni? labin na mga tao karon nga awww bsta walay evidence... di jd mu tuo. alangan natural. sayon jd tuohon bsta naay evidence.
how i wish sad ingon ana c Lord. para mu tuo dayon tanan bah para wa nay hasol dba?

di na cya ana bro. he is God and hence, he has all the authority. kung mu uto uto sad cya sa mga humans.. aw nagpaila ra jd cya nga inferior cya to us humans dba kay ni submit man sa atong mga temptations.. as to what i've said last nyt, the sly eagle doesn't flaunt its power. he doesnt need to prove to us he is God. he has all the authority. wa cyay ma wad.an if mu tuo ka or dili, but kita dako ayo tah mawad.an if mu tuo tah or di. (that is ofcorz if you are a theist. dili ma affected ang mga atheist ani.)

now of corz this is what i believe in and di ko mu claim sakto ko, as what ive said over n over again. this is what ive experienced. nara nimo if mu tuo moh or di.

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"Do not put the Lord your God to the test." Matthew 4:7 (NIV)
kung familiar ka ug bible kapila gi test c Jesus sa desert ni satan nga iprove nya nga God cya.. pero wa jd cya ni give in dba?

nganu man ni? labin na mga tao karon nga awww bsta walay evidence... di jd mu tuo. alangan natural. sayon jd tuohon bsta naay evidence.
how i wish sad ingon ana c Lord. para mu tuo dayon tanan bah para wa nay hasol dba?

di na cya ana bro. he is God and hence, he has all the authority. kung mu uto uto sad cya sa mga humans.. aw nagpaila ra jd cya nga inferior cya to us humans dba kay ni submit man sa atong mga temptations.. as to what i've said last nyt, the sly eagle doesn't flaunt its power. he doesnt need to prove to us he is God. he has all the authority. wa cyay ma wad.an if mu tuo ka or dili, but kita dako ayo tah mawad.an if mu tuo tah or di. (that is ofcorz if you are a theist. dili ma affected ang mga atheist ani.)

now of corz this is what i believe in and di ko mu claim sakto ko, as what ive said over n over again. this is what ive experienced. nara nimo if mu tuo moh or di.

OMG! Its says so in the bible! Woah! I'm a believer now. Thank you so much brad.

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I have one example:

Bible says the world is 6,000 years old... But in fact, the world is 4.5 BILLION YEARS... so therefore, the bible is wrong and if it's wrong, it's not true... hehehe..

Its wrong for you because you took it literally . Do you really think stories about the Garden of Eden , Noahs Ark , David and Goliath are real and factual events ? There is more to that unless we take it literally then indeed mawala gyud ta sa course .

Dali mana mo kalit tunga bro... Again, IT IS GRADUAL CONSIDERING THE TIME... Just Imagine MILLION YEARS... hehehe...

Really ? So kadtong gi ingon nimo na mga babies karon compared say 30 years ago lahi kay mga dagko and tag-as na man karon . We are only talking about 3 decades here . Asa man jud ta ani ?

Again, Dali mana mo kalit tunga bro... Dli mana gikan sa ape nya ang anak kay human... hehehe.. Again, it TAKES TIME (millions)... Lahi2x na ug mga nawong bro...

Nobody said about APES nursing HUMAN BEINGS . Mao na ang explanation gihatag tungod kay from dumb to intelligent man ang pattern na gi sunod . UNless mo agree ka na in a illion of years to come na pod , kitang mga HUMAN BEINGS mo evolved ta into APES na sad , bali ba .

Mao gani ingon ana gihapon ilang physique bro kay tungod tribesmen sila, ni adapt sila sa ilang environment... skillful jud kaayo ni sila pag panakop ug mga hayop ug ang ilang muscular sturdiness lahi ra pud...
mura ra imo pangutana nganong ang negro naa sa america itom gihapon... hehehe..

Pero angay na mo puti di ba kay lahi na ang environment ? isnt that what happened to most of thr AMPHIBIANS ? GIkan man na sila sa tubig unya ni evolved and mutate sila into animals that can live outside the water .

Science can lead us through evidence, not just evidence, but facts and religion has nothing but only faith with a written scripture... Science through evidence and facts, built amazing things from computers to medicine facilities and even made our lifespan longer...

Hold your horses ... PARTIAL EVIDENCE lang . Di pa man certain kay as much na mo ingon ka na amazing kaayo ang SCIENCE by building computers , medicines and even lenghten our lifespans ... pwerting daghana pa pod sa mga UNANSWERED and UNEXPLAINED na hantod karon walay clue ang SCIENCE .

Science can't explain how the book of genesis came to be because, again, it's not science... It's a fairy tale... By the way, Science did look into genesis, but sad to say, they found no evidence....

Wrong ... fairytales starts with the popular phrase " ONCE UPON A TIME or a IN A CASTLE FAR FAR AWAY " right ? Bitaw joke ra ... maski FAIRYTALE pa na siya bai ... SCIENCE should be able to identify if its real or not . remember tong mga faeries na uban real and uban photoshop lang diay ? Di ba SCIENCE man gigamit para ma conclude to ang investigation ? They found no evidence also the Book of Genesis ? Ows ? Well if its from you then I would understand , but if you spoke in behalf of the community then dont kay dili man ingon ana . I even said something sa ubang threads how ORGANIC FARMING relates the BIBLE and SCIENCE .

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Which is literal and which is not?
And how to tell them apart?

oh wait, don't remind me. "Guidance from the Holy Spirit."

[EightEqualsD]

SCIENCE pero i believe in GOD hehe

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Which is literal and which is not?
And how to tell them apart?

A couple of examples only or the whole 9 yards ? Anything na gi disprove KUNO sa SCIENCE according to some forumers , thats how you settle it . The funny part is some accounts in the bible are also correct ( haaaay salamat ) according to SCIENE itself . So which is which now ? FAKE ang BIBLE or TINUOD pod diay ?

oh wait, don't remind me. "Guidance from the Holy Spirit."

Its not gonna work for you because you already know the answer but you refuse to acknowledge it . nag una na gud ka so what is the point ?

[chad_tukes]

Which is literal and which is not?
And how to tell them apart?

oh wait, don't remind me. "Guidance from the Holy Spirit."

there's no real answer to this bro. perhaps we should take it from ADD/Eli Soriano.

Eli actually said that ang "diyos ay may puwet" based on this verse:

Revelation 21:5

He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."