MERGED: HIV in the Philippines

[mannyamador]

I don't believe that any country or organization is pushing condom as the only solution for aids/hiv prevention.

I think you should take a look at the programs touted by many of thse organizations, including the UN. Technically, they pay lip service to other methods, but condom campaigns are the most pushed and funded, to the detriment of more effective methods. They do NOT push the ABCs ("Abstain, Be faithful, Condoms") in that order, at least not as far as emphasis and funding goes. You don't hear them talking much about abstinence, except perhaps as a joke, an afterthought, a condescending concession, or even as an object of outright derision! That wrong emphasis costs lives.

May I suggest you look at reports of the evidence on the ground...

UN AIDS Envoy Can't Stomach Abstinence
By Joseph A. D'Agostino
http://www.pop.org/main.cfm?id=243&r...evel=3&eid=871

United Nations Human Rights Emissary Pushes Peru to Allow Abortion
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/aug/04080604.html

United Nations Pushes Nepal to Allow More Abortions
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/jan/04011501.html

United Nations Tells Ethiopia to Decriminalize Abortion, Publicly Fund Contraceptives
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/feb/04020601.html

and i more thing. i disagree that condom usage is more that just laboratory testing. you just choose to believe that it is.

Getting personal just exposes the fact that you have no argument. See the evidence in the next post please.

[mannyamador]

Here is why I said that condom usage is more than laboratory testing. Actual usage shows a much higher failure rate than would be had given the touted 98%-99% success rate cited by some (which implies a failure rate of only 1-2%)..

A Summary of Major Studies on Condom Breakage and Slippage Rates

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Study   Total Condoms Users | Breakage Rate (percent) | Slippage Rate (percent) | Total Breaks | Total Slips
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Study # 1:
Nevada(A)      353          0.0%           3.9%	          0       14
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Study # 2:
United States(B) 4,632          4.0%           0.6%           185       28
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Study # 3:
Sydney, 
Australia(C)    605          0.5%           ---            3       ---
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Study # 4:
United States(D)  147          0.7%           7.4%            1       11
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Study # 5:
Atlanta,
Georgia(E)     478          3.7%           13.7%           18       65
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Study # 6:
Atlanta, 
Georgia(F)     405          2.4%           13.1%           10       53
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Study # 7:
California(G)   3,717          3.0%           2.9%           112       108
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Study # 8: 
North Carolina(H) 1,072          3.3%           5.4%           35       58
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Study # 9:
North Carolina(I) 4,589          11.1%           ---           507       ---
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Study #10:
North Carolina(J) 1,947          5.3%           3.5%           103       68
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Study #11:
California(K)   2,059          4.3%           2.2%           89       45
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Study #12:
North Carolina(L)  752          4.1%           ---            31       ---
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Study #13:
Denmark(M)     385          5.0%           ---            19       ---
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Study #14:
New Zealand(N)  3,685          5.3%           5.1%           195       188
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Study #15:
North Carolina(O)  358          12.0%           15.0%           43       54
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Totals and
Averages     25,184          5.36%           3.67%         1,351       692

Summary of Studies
Average breakage rate of all condoms: 1,351/25,184 = 5.36%
Average slippage rate of all condoms: 692/18,853 = 3.67%
Total failure rate of all condoms: 9.13%

Reference: All of these studies are listed in Robert A. Hatcher, et. al. Contraceptive Technology (17th Revised Edition) [New York: Ardent Media, Inc., 1998]. Table 16-3, "Prospective Studies of Condom Breakage and Slippage," pages 330 to 332. The Table refers to the following studies, as listed above. All studies or parts of studies refer to vaginal intercourse only.

[A] Study of Nevada Brothel Prostitutes. A.E. Albert, D.L. Warner, R.A Hatcher, J. Trussell, and C. Bennett. "Condom Use Among Female Commercial *** Workers in Nevada's Legal Brothels." American Journal of Public Health, 1995;85:1,514-1,520.
[ B ] Study of Monogamous American Couples. M.J. Rosenberg and M.S Waugh. "Latex Condom Breakage and Slippage in a Controlled Clinical Trial." Contraception, 1997;56:17.21 (events of breakage and slippage were unambiguously not double counted).
[C] Study of Sydney Female Prostitutes. J. Richters, B. Donovan, J. Gerofi and L. Watson. "Low Condom Breakage Rate in Commercial ***" [letter]. Lancet 1988;2:1,487-1,488. Correction by John Gerofi in personal communication to Philip Kestelman, July 1989.
[D] U.S. Clinical Research Participants. M.A. Leeper and M. Conrardy. "Preliminary Evaluation of REALITY, a Condom for Women to Wear." Advances in Contraception 1989;5:229-235.
[E] Study of Atlanta Family Planning Recruits. J. Trussel, D.L. Warner and R.A. Hatcher. "Comdom Performance During Vaginal Intercourse: Comparison of Trojan-Enz and Tactylon Condoms." Contraception 1992;45:11-19.
[F] Study of Atlanta Family Planning Recruits. J. Trussel, D.L. Warner and R.A. Hatcher. "Condom Slippage and Breakage Rates." Family Planning Perspectives 1992;24:20-23 (events of breakage and slippage were unambiguously not double counted; slippage rate recalculated from original article and reflects condoms that fell off or slipped down during intercourse or withdrawal).
[G] Study of Southern California Monogamous Couples. A. Nelson, G.S. Bernstein, R. Frezieres, T. Walsh, V. Clark and A. Coulson. "A Study of the Efficacy, Acceptability and Safety of a Non-Latex (Polyurethane) Male Condom; Revised Final Report (N01-HD-1-3109). Bethesda, Maryland: National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, September 15, 1997 (events of breakage and slippage were unambiguously not double counted).
[H] Study of North Carolina Monogamous Couples (events of breakage and slippage were unambiguously not double counted; among new condoms used with either no additional lubricant or water-based lubricant, rates recalculated from the original article) .
[ I ] Study of North Carolina Monogamous Couples (breakage rates ranged from 3.5% for a new lot to 18.6% for an 81-month old lot).
[J] Study of North Carolina Monogamous Couples (events of breakage and slippage were unambiguously not double counted).
[K] Study of Southern California Monogamous Couples. A. Nelson, R. Frezieres, T. Walsh, V. Clark and A. Coulson. "A Controlled Randomized Evaluation of a Commercially Available Polyurethane and Latex Condom (Avanti Versus Ramses Sensitol): Final Report (N01- HD-1-3109). Bethesda, Maryland: National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, November 6, 1996 (events of breakage and slippage were unambiguously not double counted).
[L] Study of North Carolina Couples Recruited by Mail.
[M] Study of Denmark Female Prostitutes and Male and Female Hospital Staff.
[N] Study of New Zealand Male and Female Family Planning Clinic Clients (events of breakage and slippage were unambiguously not double counted).
[ O ] Study of North Carolina Local Recruits.

[cerebus]

@ mannyamador: ahh. . . getting personal is not my forte. sorry if i sounds to you that i am. maybe you read something from my post that leaves a bad taste to your mouth eh? to continue. . .

i just don't understand why, if it is true, that programs touted by some organization (should i include government?) should push only for 'just condom campaign'. it just hard to imagine. that's why i doubt it. the link you provide added to my doubt because of the site (pro-life and condom is a dangerous combination). I would not argue about this inappropriate amount of discussion about condom. i mean 90.87% effectivity of condom is good for me but for you, for sure, it is not. then we talk and talk. it will never ends.

everyone, always remember 'the ABC's of aids prevention.' Abstain. Be faithful. use Condom. in that order.

[mannyamador]

@cerebus

Well, if that level of protection is enough for you, then I won't try to change your mind. But just remember that it means that 1 out of 11 times you use a condom there will be some kind of failure. Just use the data given for your own information. It might be useful in the future.

[Freeza]

@cerebus

Well, if that level of protection is enough for you, then I won't try to change your mind. But just remember that it means that 1 out of 11 times you use a condom there will be some kind of failure. Just use the data given for your own information. It might be useful in the future.

some people use two condoms at the same time they say for double protection hehehee but i doubt it had double protection

[Chipmunk888]

hmmm, i have heard(sabi-sabi) that this sickness is intentionally made by foreign scientists and brought to india to spread there. their are two foreign scientists also who made cure for this but unfortunately their licensed as scientists were confiscated to stop developing the cure. this is really a funny "sabi-sabi".. i doubt if this is true...but interesting, hmmmmmm

[grabehbebe]

Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS or Aids) is a collection of symptoms and infections in humans resulting from the specific damage to the immune system caused by the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).

The late stage of the condition leaves individuals prone to opportunistic infections and tumors. Although treatments for AIDS and HIV exist to slow the virus's progression, there is no known cure.

As of January 2006, the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) and the World Health Organization (WHO) estimate that AIDS has killed more than 25 million people since it was first recognized on June 5, 1981, making it one of the most destructive epidemics in recorded history. In 2005 alone, AIDS claimed an estimated 2.4–3.3 million lives, of which more than 570,000 were children.

UNICEF has also extended their hands to inform us, most especially our childrens with this illness. They have launched a "Unite for Children, Unite against AIDS" a program that urges the people that protection, care, support and treatment of children and adolescents be given priority in the overall HIV/AIDS agenda.

They also aims to reduce number of young once who's infected by this illness by atleast 25 percent globally by 2010.

It is just right that everyone is informed with communicable diseases like this to prevent the spread of the illness ans at the same time support those who are infected.

[weedmeister2]

Consistent with my "conspiracy theorist" image here in Istorya, I must inform you guys that there are some that say that AIDS is a man-made virus which was manufactured by proponents of the Eugenics movement as a tool to eradicate African Americans (then called Negroes) and Homosexuals...

I myself have not done much research into this topic, so I cannot really say for certain if it is true... you just have to research for yourselves, but let me point you in the right direction:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/aids.pdf

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/aids.htm

http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/

http://www.boydgraves.com/news/101102.html

http://www.eugenics.net/

[The_Child]

negroes and homosexual? i thought it was a UK military experiment out of control or one of the tools for the New World Order to reduce Global population to a more controllable size. but i really wouldnt know. things like this get people killed so i wouldnt know anything.

[sicplutonian]

Semen is another. Im not so sure w d milk, but a mother may pass on HIV 2 a baby thru breastfeeding

yes it can be passed through breastfeeding.