The Universe - is it Created? or by Chance?

[kenites]

I think the question of the universe existence holds more question than answers.
I already gave you the answer, what questions you're still holding?

The god/multiverse hypthoses like what you've said is not testable and beyond human comprehension. Yet you assume that their must be a supernatural being who created all of this coz it is reasonable but I would say that I'm fine with "I don't know!"
Then you are an agnostic.
When can you decide to choose between Theism and Atheism?
I already provided good reasons why I should believe in a Creator, and disproved the Naturalistic view.
Anthony Flew, a Notorious atheist, believed in God after realizing the naturalistic theories on the origin of life were not plausible.
Francis Collins, a geneticists, converted from atheism to theism after digging down on his field of study.

If indeed all of these comes from a supernatural being then i think it cannot be exempted from this question also "Where all these come from?"
"These" that we are referring are the physical matter and energy or nature.
I already told you, someone beyond space-time dimenson should exist.
If its beyond space and time, then time (or beginning) can't dictate it.

Well if we're talking of Zeus, Shiva, Allah or Jesus then you can say I'm an atheist..
If we're talking of some kind of Intelligent Designer or Supernatural Being then you can say I'm an agnostic... does that make sense

When can I decide to choose between Theism and Atheism?
Who knows? maybe at the end of this thread....if it does really end
Just keep this discussion alive and who knows somewhere along the way I maybe be enlightened and will decide which side I'm on..

Does this someone already exists? or he must or should exist to justify your claim?

And granting that this being exists capable of conjuring universe such as ours, he may not be bound by our space and time coz he's outside of our universe but what if he is bound by their own space and time and by their own nature and therefore has also a beginning..I dunno what that is..it's a wild idea What we have here is all assumption that's why I will say again "I don't know"

[mosende]

agree ko sa evolution ani

[schmuck]

Not only is there no evidence, the physics of our own universe requires that we will never be able to obtain any evidence about any other universe (even if it does exist).
How can we look beyond our space-time dimension? It would take a God for us to do that.

From a secular website:
"Such beliefs are without hard physical evidence and must therefore be considered unfalsifiable, currently outside the methodology of scientific investigation to confirm or disprove, and therefore more mathematically theoretical and metaphysical than scientific in nature."
http://lifeorigin.org/rul_disc.htm

Note that neither the multiverse hypothesis nor the "God hypothesis" is testable.

The naturalistic explanation requires the presence of a complicated, unproved super universe that has the capacity to randomly spew out an infinite number of universes with different laws of physics. How does this hypothetical super universe know how to do this? Why would it even want to do this? Ultimately, why should there be any universe at all? None of these questions are logically explained by naturalism.
Only an intelligent Being would be motivated and expected to produce any kind of universe such as what we see.

And at the end, if considering multiverse or super universe DO exists, it cannot escape from this question: "Where all these come from"?

Hulata lang mahuman og testing sa LHC, inig ka detect nila sa graviton particle as predicted by String Theory, checkmate na si God

[necrotic freak]

Hulata lang mahuman og testing sa LHC, inig ka detect nila sa graviton particle as predicted by String Theory, checkmate na si God

aw ug mao nang istoryaha sakto gyud diay ang tubag ni kenites nga "I dont know" ...yet

daghan na kaayo mo ug istorya unya hulatonon pa diay ang sakto nga tubag kay nag testing pa.

[robert_papalid_ece]

OT: @necro - naaah... uwanon na sad ka unya bai... bantay2x lang... hehe...

[schmuck]

aw ug mao nang istoryaha sakto gyud diay ang tubag ni kenites nga "I dont know" ...yet

daghan na kaayo mo ug istorya unya hulatonon pa diay ang sakto nga tubag kay nag testing pa.

Something tells me someone does not know how Theoretical Physics works.

[r3roble]

Something tells me someone does not know how Theoretical Physics works.

i'm one of that someone.. but hopefully buhi pako usa na maproven.. as of now, testing2x usa... hulat2x usa...

[necrotic freak]

Something tells me someone does not know how Theoretical Physics works.

ok i don't know. hulat lang ta.

[orcgod]

I just notice, nga kung magkalawom na gali ang istoryahan, mokalit na lang ka ug katawa.
Please don't force yourself in understanding the topic, basin madayonan ka. =)

The universe is compose of physical matter, energy, planets, stars, galaxies, and contents of intergalactic space, and GOD! wahahahahaha
How many times do I have to put this line?
The beginning of the Universe from nothing points on a Creator that is beyond space and time.
Beyond Space and Time, meaning, beyond our Universe!

Ani lang, para makasabot ka unsa nang beyond the space-time universe.
If naay spacecraft nga motravel "beyond" the Universe, dili ka mag-expect nga makakita ka ug pitch black space and then, makita nimo ang Universe sa unahan. Kung ing-ana imong sabot, then, naa gihapon ka sa SPACE, kay nag-occupy gihapon ka ug space. When you get out from our space-time dimension, you(in a form of matter) will not simply exist.

As a UNIX Sysad, we usually place insignificant logs to the /dev/null directory. But no matter how big the log files are, it will not occupy disk space. When placed on that directory, those files won't simply exist.

There you go. Thats my point, the components of the universe comes from nothing, it existed there by itself.
How did you arrive to that conclusion?
Tell you what, when my 10 yr old nephew sees a magic trick, like rabbit coming out from a hat, he knows that that rabbit don't just come out from nowhere.
Unya ikaw? mo-tuo ka nga mo-tungha lang ang butang ug kalit gikan sa wala?

its always been there.
Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time. Not only space, but also time has a beginning - at the Big Bang.
The Beginning of Time
Bright pa ka aning mga scientists bro?

Even NASA has acknowledged, that our Universe is about 14 Billion years old. That means to say, the universe, had a beginning.
WMAP- Age of the Universe
Bright pa ka sa NASA bro?


I suggest you back your claims with scientific theories and evidences kay mura na ta ani nag-istorya sa barberohan.

So unsa may beggining sa Universe? GINOO nimo? WAHAHAHHAAHHAHA! mata sa sa imong damgo.

[redhorse1L]

Hulata lang mahuman og testing sa LHC, inig ka detect nila sa graviton particle as predicted by String Theory, checkmate na si God

I don't see any theological significance with the LHC.
The Large Hadron Collider is intented to test various predictions of high-energy physics, including the existence of the hypthesized Higgs boson, or the so-called "God Particle".

While use of this term may have contributed to increased media interest in particle physics and the Large Hadron Collider, many scientists dislike it as overstating the importance of the particle.
In a renaming competition, a jury of physicists chose the name "the champagne bottle boson" as the best popular name.
Higgs boson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its funny how novelist like Dan Brown use these experiments to stir up the curiousity of people.
(Hinuon, ka-kwarta jud cya anang mga novel niya).
The novel Angels & Demons, by Dan Brown, involves antimatter created at the LHC to be used in a weapon against the Vatican. In response CERN published a "Fact or Fiction?" page discussing the accuracy of the book's portrayal of the LHC, CERN, and particle physics in general.
CERN - Spotlight: Angels and Demons

The movie version of the book has footage filmed on-site at one of the experiments at the LHC; the director, Ron Howard, met with CERN experts in an effort to make the science in the story more accurate.

So the CERN is true, the only twist was when the Vatican was in chaos because of the new discovery.
In reality, it does not have any theological significance.