Should Abortion Be Allowed to Rape And Incest Victims?

[Klave]

Since when in our right minds na angay ta mo patay ug tao ?

I'm talking about the nonexistence of such a rule in the first place. No negation here...simply there is no rule, it is not embedded in the human mind.

Like what countries ? Communist countries ... start dropping names of nations . Ows ? Are you sure na walay ATHEIST na dili PRO LIFE ? How did you know that UNWANTED CHILDREN will have to suffer in their entire lives ? Heck even WANTED CHILDREN suffers .

One child policy of china should be enough...

Understand the beauty of chance, I didn't deny these probabilities. I never denied any of them.

Like I said there is no perfect crime because you are only referring to the actions but no matter how you hide MENTALLY or PHYSICALLY .... abtan ra gihapon ka . Let me ask you this .... have you killed a person yet ?

Maybe not in this lifetime , literally have you even heard of the FAMILIAL DNA process ? It was in the news that a person was caught after 2 decades of silence and it wasnt even a cat and mouse scenario , accidental lang . Your many UNSOLVED CRIMES doesnt even equate to the more SOLVED CRIMES . Tuldok ra siya .

Like I said, please research about conscience and guilt. I'll give you a clue...Ignorance is bliss

It is very nice to appreciate the beauty of chance...maski tuldok ra na...it still happened.

Wrong analogy , gi buhi siya para mahatagan nako ug maayong future na di nako kaya ihatag so I will resort to ADOPTION which agencies are readily available if willing lang mo support ang people around the victim who will guide her to the process all the way long from pre birth all the way to the end unless like s auban na rape victim gani ka kay i isalikway naka which is a different story.

Same logic sa lotto , di ka makadaug ug di ka mo pusta even though you know the winning number . Its a process by chance to make it happen compared to shutting it off and doing nothing .

Even you appreciate the beauty of chance...relying on another to possibly give the child the good future you intended for him.

LIGATION ? Hehehehe ... that is MURDER in its purest form !! They should be IMPRISONED , mas maka ingon na hinuon ko hala cge mga RAPE VICTIMS pag pili na lang mo ABORT ba or KEEP the UNWANTED CHILD .

Is it really actually (Ligation and Abortion) a criminal act? My statements are basic cause and effect logic...

Non-rape victims...abort...ligation...they don't want babies anyway. They don't deserve them...and I actually agree with you, in fact it is a better idea to send them to jail

Commiting INCEST in the first place is wrong . Incest occurs during RAPE also or unless you are a HILLBILLY . For health reasons , of course you have to give up one to save one but on LEGALITY ? Unsay mo relate sa LEGALITY and PREGNANCY ?

Incest...don't abort...with consent/love an daw gihapon...they should face consequences...
bahalag cyclops...we can send the whole retard family to jail as well...

Ah ok...You meant those FORCED by relatives...that still counts as rape for me...so proceed to rape...

After the ABORTION of the UNWANTED CHILD , dont you think the RAPE VICTIM's ordeal is only temporary ? Wether the child was aborted or kept , naa gihapon na ang TRAUMA all the way to the grave maski centenarian na ka . If I decided to keep the child kintahay lang na ako ang na rape and namabdos , I will resort to adoption and vow not to see see the child again but deep in my heart I gave him or her a chance to live he or she deserves . The burden I carry until I die is only that my womanhood was violated rather than I chose to abort the innocent child , the burden I carry is twice the feeling because ako pa na agrabyado , ako pa ang nahimong kriminal .

You don't know how short-termed any traumatized person can get, for some suffering the nine months is actually admitting that the incident actually happened. They would rather abort to make it seem that nothing happened at all. For others, they might never forget it at all, but the external forces (like reputation) can be influential. Can't you appreciate my suggestion of making an artificial womb? Please do not assume that your train of thought will be the same for all.

The only time I will be PRO ABORTION is if the baby needs to go for the mother to live but as long as the mother is healthy and capable of delivering the baby , the baby lives . I know the mother dont deserve to be raped but the baby dont deserve to die also just becase he or she is being UNWANTED .

By the way ... there is a stage in the development of the fetus where you are already considered a HUMAN BEING but why not do the process where in say you are already pregnant but the stage of the fetus has no life yet . Mao na ang akong gi strongly na gi stand ... something like a RAPE VICTIM who is anywhere na mabdos say 3 months pataas , then like sa 6th or 8th month na mo decide ipakuha just because it is an UNWANTED CHILD . I forgot how many days to ang stage of the fetus where in MABDOS na ang girl but the BABY is not really a BABY yet because there is no life there so maski tagudtaguron pa na nimo , its not murder because you didnt take any life at all because simply it has no life yet .

I agree with this...Nice info.

[jcgoyong]

id go for abortion still

why not ?

1st off the mom would suffer. its an unwanted baby(her choice though)
2nd the baby would also siffer. lets see if she doesnt get ridiculed coz most likely as soon as the baby would come of age

it takes 20 years to build a reputation yet it only takes 5mins to ruin it

if the baby is kept, it wont change anything. not even time
if the baby is not, it would soon be forgotten. which is best for both the baby and the mom

may i add, 3rd. we are over populated! xD

[chad_tukes]

@ CHAD ...

Its the same logic about " if the baby needs to go so the mother will live " nothing is wrong with being a soldier killing people so just people can sleep tightly .

Being an American yourself , you should know what I am talking about unless you just said it for the sake of discussion purposes .. .

By the way , some of these UNWANTED CHILDREN will grow as REAL HEROES who you will never know in your entire life that would probably save you from danger from the very UNWANTED CHILDREN also who chose to become criminals like their fathers .

Now , where are the WANTED CHILDREN ??

just for the sake of discussion. like i said, not to disrespect soldiers but just putting things into perspective. to tackle that side of the spectrum, however, is another topic.

i'm still pro-choice. i am not for abortion nor i am for it. i am for a woman's right to do whatever she wants with her body. it's easy to say do not abort the baby, but wait til the baby is born and grows up in a family who lives in minimum income, and could hardly support the baby emotionally, physically, and most importantly, financially.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I'm talking about the nonexistence of such a rule in the first place. No negation here...simply there is no rule, it is not embedded in the human mind.

I am expecting that answer but as rational HUMAN BEINGS we are , guided with COMMONSENSE maski wala pa gi imbento ang 10 Commandments , still our conscience dictates that taking a life away for a reason that is not acceptable is not right .

One child policy of china should be enough...

A lot of factors contributes to it to include being OVERPOPULATED but if we stick to the idea of RESPONSIBLE PARENTS who can nurture and care for the children maski 1 dozen pa na why not ? Irt is not relevant to the issue of ABORTION though .

Like I said, please research about conscience and guilt. I'll give you a clue...Ignorance is bliss

And I firmly believed that philosopically , we dont lern this out of EDUCATION , MENTORSHIP or RIGHT of AGE . It is naturally occuring that is why ATHEIST and THEIST can co exist if we have to go to that point because it is EMBEDDED in us . It dictates our way of living , maski mo ingon pa ka na si kinsa mga psycho killers , naa gihapon na silay GUILT and CONSCIENCE , how much more ang mga natural na panghuna huna .

It is very nice to appreciate the beauty of chance...maski tuldok ra na...it still happened.

But my point here is , madiskubre ra gihapon na bahalag walay masilutan .

Even you appreciate the beauty of chance...relying on another to possibly give the child the good future you intended for him.

Because as a RAPE VICTIM , I would prefer to live my life no matter how TRAUMATIC it is but as long as I am not GUILTY of DISREGARD for LIFE who has nothing to do with situation I am into deserves also to live bahalag dili ako ang nagpadako .

Is it really actually (Ligation and Abortion) a criminal act? My statements are basic cause and effect logic...

My understanding on your cause and effect is that magpalaygit gani ko , ok ra ma RAPE ko usab kay di na man ko mamabdos . Just correct me that is not what you intended to portray .

Incest...don't abort...with consent/love an daw gihapon...they should face consequences...
bahalag cyclops...we can send the whole retard family to jail as well...

Thats the consequence of the consenting adults na ni commit ug INCEST , kana na part is very hard to weight . If you jail the parents , who wants to take care of CYCLOPS ? Hehehehe .

You don't know how short-termed any traumatized person can get, for some suffering the nine months is actually admitting that the incident actually happened. They would rather abort to make it seem that nothing happened at all. For others, they might never forget it at all, but the external forces (like reputation) can be influential. Can't you appreciate my suggestion of making an artificial womb? Please do not assume that your train of thought will be the same for all.

Artificial womb would not be the solution if that is what you are trying to lay down , I would rather opt for the decapitated p3nis if we really want to eradicate and cease the act of rape but then we all know that is impossible and back to the artifical womb , it is another suggestion that it is ok to rape because nobody is going to be traumatized . My stand would still be cleer , pro life no matter what as long as the mother is capable of delivering it . She doesnt have to stop schooling just because she has to take care of an unwanted child or whatever . Simpler a jud kaayo and ADOPTION na option which caters also the unwanted children .

At least ... we are staring to agree on something hehehehe out of nothing .

@CHAD ...

it's easy to say do not abort the baby, but wait til the baby is born and grows up in a family who lives in minimum income, and could hardly support the baby emotionally, physically, and most importantly, financially.

Adopting parents are more than way prepared in most cases compared to the biological parents in terms of raising a child wanted or unwanted phycisally , emotionally , spiritually and most of all financially . At least , in the person of me ... thats what i will be as an ADOPTING PARENT before I even think of it and when I sayi financially , I dont have to filthy rich either , just capable of buying all the needs and some wants , give some quality education , and provide food and shelter to the child .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Papi ... UNWANTED CHILD is very broad when speaking it out of its definition . Your friend from college could share the same fate from a WANTED CHILD .

Dont you think PACO LARRANAGAis an UNWANTED CHILD ?

You dont have to become an UNWANTEd CHILD just because you are meant to be ABORTED . Suwayi ninyo pag ginutsinanggo ug minangtas na batasan under the wings of your parents di ba sobra pa sa abortion ang mo abot hehehehehehe .

[FAQ]

Abortion is not murder. People are hyper-sensitive to things they choose to feel passionate about. And yeah, if you go out screaming abortion kills innocent babies, you are being hypocritical.

We live in a judgemental world. They don't care the world is overpopulated and there's one less child born from rape, or incest, or into abuse. Or that a woman with 2 kids who can't afford to quit her job and stay on bedrest to carry a child she can't afford to keep. Yeah, go tell the victim of rape to just keep the baby... for the next 9 months. It'll all be fine, right? Kiss my arse.

I think we are animals, too. Just because a cow isn't capable of sitting at a computer spouting off how terrible abortion is, doesn't mean it doesn't feel pain when its throat is slit and its bled out hanging upside down. I'd say it feels a bit more pain than the embryo (I refuse to say baby, or human being).

But people need things to be angry about. Its gives them a purpose and thinks they are all that right. HYPOCRITES!!!!!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

^^^

Lol ... why dont we start on you since we are OVERPOPULATED . You are nothing different or special compared to those UNWANTED babies .

ABORTION is not MURDER ? My goodness FAQ lol !! What makes me a HYPOCRITE by the way ... just name 1 and I will rest my case .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

HOTMOMMA already gave her piece .

I am hoping from other female istoryans who can also voice out their opinions .

[FAQ]

^^^

Lol ... why dont we start on you since we are OVERPOPULATED . You are nothing different or special compared to those UNWANTED babies .

ABORTION is not MURDER ? My goodness FAQ lol !! What makes me a HYPOCRITE by the way ... just name 1 and I will rest my case .

Hahahahahahahahahahaha..... So funny how you think my post was for you!!! Assume much?!

You are being irrational and desperately pulling ad hominem because you can't counter your opponent using logic and intelligence. No point of arguing with you.

[chad_tukes]

@CHAD ...

Adopting parents are more than way prepared in most cases compared to the biological parents in terms of raising a child wanted or unwanted phycisally , emotionally , spiritually and most of all financially . At least , in the person of me ... thats what i will be as an ADOPTING PARENT before I even think of it and when I sayi financially , I dont have to filthy rich either , just capable of buying all the needs and some wants , give some quality education , and provide food and shelter to the child .

true, the mother can always set the baby up for adoption. but shouldn't we put more importance to the MOTHER than the baby? in this case, the woman's been raped, so we can only imagine how psychologically damaging it was to have gone through that situation. let's say she chose not to abort the baby, and instead gave the baby for adoption---IMO, giving up the baby for adoption can be just as emotionally (and psychologically) damaging as having an abortion (she'll still lose the baby).

people tend to put more emphasis on the baby's life rather than the mother. here's another scenario---what if the mother's life is in danger while on pregnancy.... here's the dilemma: save the baby and let the mother die---or save the mother and let the baby die. which one would you choose?