MERGED: Vigilantism and related issues

[naz]

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against ko anang killing bai.. no one deserves to die..

You can only say that because dili ka victim aning mga criminals. Dili ka victim aning holdaper nga if dili nimo ihatag imo fon ug wallet, pusilon ka. I pity the victims of those bad people.

dude, for your information, nahold-up ko once early in the morning near 7:00am(pagpadulong nako sa school), nasnatchan ko 2 times(sa jeep pagpadong uli).

but,still against ko anang killing.. (bisag unsaon nimo pagbali2x.. dili gyud na maayo)

So ok ra ka anang pirmi ra ka holdapan, snatchan? Maayo if ikaw ra ang mabiktima, dili mi.

bitaw, 2nd thought sab ko nimo lalakingbisdak. :mrgreen: bahala si naz gud kung siya'y tulison. daghan bitaw na kwarta. basta, criminals deserve to die and go to hell!!

dude, d man ko ok anang permi masnatchan or holdapan.. nya d sad ko ok anang killing..
besides, its better to punish them than to kill them..
nya when you kill, its also like stealing ones life.. you'll be just like those criminals whom you want to kill..

[mannyamador]

... before these vigilante-killings came into existance, cebu was like a warzone

BECAUSE of these vigilante killings, Cebu IS STILL a warzone!

By the way, the environment in Cebu is FAR BETTER than in Manila. I can walk in the darkest streets here in Cebu and feel much safer than in some usy places in Metro Manila. But Manila doesn't need vigilantes shooting up the city. Neither does Cebu. Because of these murderous vigilantes, I have to worry about being accidentally shot when those idiots try to hunt down their targets. These murderers have already injured many innocent bystanders, including at least two women.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

If you are not guilty of any CHRONIC CRIME then why worry ? Worry about those CRIMINALS who will get your laptop , your guitar , your money , your expensive watch and most of all if you dont have those mentioned , your life in the dark alley's .

Youp keep on saying VIGILANTES already injured many INNOCENT BYSTANDERS including 2 women . What is the proof on these claims ? Remember that not all 160 + victims are works of the vigilantes . NObody knows it either if they are the ones who really accidentally injure innocent victims but saying THEY DID IT needsa a lot of BACKING UP and not just copy and pasting from the news articles .

And please ... everyone knows CEBU is mo safer than MANILA because of the size of population , economic status , crime per capital .

[diem]

There is nothing wrong with Law of the Land, it’s only the people who don’t obey. There is nothing wrong with the System in place except the obvious fact that it doesn’t work BECAUSE the People do not make it work.

to those against this vigilante killings:

please state a feasible and realistic solution to curb down the crime rate of cebu

I’ve scanned through the pages of this thread and so far I haven’t seen any alternatives offered from the Anti-Vigilante front so since I’m only 85% Pro-vigilante, here is what I humbly suggest as alternative courses of action

It is going to take a lot of hard work, and unfortunately we cannot just hope the government does the job. Apparently the local authorities do need help and it is up to the community(that’s us) to supplement it.

What I humbly suggest is, like in a large number of Western communities, to set up a Community Watch Program in our respective blocks/baranggays, where local law enforcement and the civilians they serve PROACTIVELY share the responsibility of crime prevention.

What this program requires are generally the following:

oÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* A person or group of people committed to starting a Neighborhood Watch
o A planning Committee to initiate the program
o A list of issues which initially need to be addressed in the neighborhood
o A means of communication with the residents – e-mail, fliers, telephone-trees (i.e. an hierarchical communications network)
o Publicity for the initial Neighborhood Watch meeting
o A meeting agenda
o A meeting place such as a school, Fire Station or Public Library (in our case a Baranggay Hall)
o A map of the neighborhood with spaces for names, addresses and phone numbers of all the households
o A sign-up sheet for those interested in role of Block Captain(which is different from Baranggay Captain).
o Neighborhood Watch signs for the street and residences
o TheÂ* Local Police Department Neighborhood Watch Director, and Assigned Officer to rollout the initial training.

Now a majority of crimes occur out in the streets thus office/business/school/government establishments must be involved also in this program. They can instruct their security personnel to actively assist the victim/s in the course of the crime and coordinate with police stations near the vicinity for immediate response.

Perhaps there are Baranggays here in Cebu who do actively and strictly observe criminal activity and coordinate with the local police force... if only information of such success can be disseminated maybe this model will be followed and implementedÂ* by others

Now I’ve heard than often that Vigilantes only target REPEAT OFFENDERS as their marks. That says a lot for our local penal system’s effectivity in rehabilitation and reformation.

Forgive me for I am so unaware, is there opportunity in local penal system for first time convicted felons to participate in effective rehabilitation programs that would help them acquire any vocational skills, learned how to control their emotions or impulses, or even taken responsibility for their crimes?

If there aren’t any, perhaps the community should lend an open hand to assist the government in guiding the lost back into the folds of society as self-aware, responsible members.

But if there are, I do invite those with information to please share it among the pages of this topic thread for the benefit of the Readers.

Perhaps through this avenue, knowing that there are ways One or A Group could teach/instruct/provide these unfortunates means to live without preying on others or perhaps help them overcome the vices/addictions that drive them to desperate crimes may be a slow yes but a way to put down crime and maybe gives those Vigilantes no reason anymore to exist.

I’ve read one previous post in this thread, talking about the differences in circumstance. These criminals are just people living in difficult circumstances who unfortunately gave in to their weaker natures. If only Life, or someone, could have been kinder in their past(and in the present) to help them, nurture them, care for them then they wouldn’t be lurking in shadows with a knife or standing by with a running motorcycle between their legs… nope, they would be typing on their keyboards, in their offices, putting up posts like this one.

To free ourselves from our dependence on the Vigilantes, we have to remove their reason to kill. To do that, we have to show criminals the way back to being people, good people.

All in all, We(Us, the criminals, Vigilantes) are all Victims of Circumstance.. what separates us is only, only a slim act of Chance and Grace.

[Sanosuke]

@diem

OT: Bilib ko nimo bay da... bisan asa nga topic, well versed man kaayo ka.... hehehehe


Bitaw, simple ra kaayo if as an innocent bystander mahadlok ka ma igo ug bala.... Go home early, don't go to dangerous places like Dulho Fatima, A. Lopez, Barrio Luz and other places kapoy na cge ug mention...

Wala man pud solid proof nga innocent bystanders are hurt... possible, ang "INNOCENT" bystanders kay mga amigo/amiga ra pod sa suspect nga possible pod nga ka konsabo ra sa "dead man walking.."

[mannyamador]

What is the proof on these claims ? Remember that not all 160 + victims are works of the vigilantes . NObody knows it either if they are the ones who really accidentally injure innocent victims but saying THEY DID IT needsa a lot of BACKING UP and not just copy and pasting from the news articles .

That backfires on you then (as usual). If we accept your logic, then that means you have no proof that the vigilantes are even the ones killing the so-called criminals and preventing any crimes! So why have them at all?

Bullet hole in swiss cheese foot again!

The bottom line is there shouldn't be anyone shooting anybody in the streets.

[naz]

bitaw, mas better if there's no killing..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

That backfires on you then (as usual). If we accept your logic, then that means you have no proof that the vigilantes are even the ones killing the so-called criminals and preventing any crimes! So why have them at all?

I really want to know how and why you keep on repeating to yourself regarding BACKFIRING . Regarding ACCEPTING LOGIC towards their existence , you are the one who always thinks and claims of their existence and their works when for a FACT no one really KNOWS . You even mentioned that media avoids LIBEL thats why they use the words SUSPECTED and ALLEGED . If something backfired to me ... then most certainly it did to you also because you are the one claiming and not me .

Bullet hole in swiss cheese foot again!

Another one bites the dust MANNY ? LOLZ !

The bottom line is there shouldn't be anyone shooting anybody in the streets.

Thats not the issue and everyone agrees on that including myself but the issue is YOU barking at the wrong tree regarding the VIGILANTES , VICTIMS , INJURED BYSTANDERS etc .

[mannyamador]

Regarding ACCEPTING LOGIC towards their existence , you are the one who always thinks and claims of their existence and their works when for a FACT no one really KNOWS.

That's precisely my point! How do you know then that the vigilantes do any good at all!

Good grief! Please try to think rationally even for a minute or two.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

That's precisely my point! How do you know then that the vigilantes do any good at all!

How I precisely know ? If you can quote me where and when I said that VIGILANTES do any good at all . I did said though that I am PRO VIGILANTE because it is a temporary option of a rotten Philippine justice system .

Good grief! Please try to think rationally even for a minute or two.

You could have said it better .... word for word when the PHILIPPINE JUSTICEN SYSTEM has been overhauled to my expectations and I still support and be a PRO VIGILANTE otherwise NOT THINKING RATIONALLY BACKFIRES to you MR MANNY AMADOR .