Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[bungot25]

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From your beloved Video Link....

"the Cambrian explosion of life was a dramatic episode of geological history. Usually dated about 530 million years ago. The exquisitely preserve Cambrian fossils reveal that the body of plants were virtually every major animal faila appeared."

Strobel uses the cambrian explosion as his basis for scientific evidence for GOD because it does contradicts darwin's theory such as natural selection.....

heres the quote from wiki

The Cambrian explosion has generated extensive scientific debate. The seemingly rapid appearance of fossils in the “Primordial Strata” was noted as early as the mid 19th century, and Charles Darwin saw it as one of the main objections that could be made against his theory of evolution by natural selection.

you believe in evolution right?
it does contradicts darwin's theory! lols
ayaw ko ug ingna mas bright pa kang Darwin! bwahahahahah....checkmate atheist!

see? got the picture now? READ THE FACTS FIRST BEFORE COMMENTING!

about dating the cambrian period...

Deducing the events of half a billion years ago is difficult, as evidence comes exclusively from biological and chemical signatures in rocks and very sparse fossils.

Accurate absolute radiometric dates for much of the Cambrian, obtained by detailed analysis of radioactive elements contained within rocks, have only rather recently become available, and for only a few regions.

Relative dating (A was before B) is often sufficient for studying processes of evolution, but this too has been difficult, because of the problems involved in matching up rocks of the same age across different continents.

Therefore dates or descriptions of sequences of events should be regarded with some caution until better data become available.

this does not prove earth was born billions of years ago.....hahah! checkmate atheist again! LOL

[bungot25]

haiz. talk about underestimating someone who has probably read more books on the subject. sheesh

outdated is your rebuttal? utter. rubbish. doy.

hahah..what can i say? no refutes! lols

my question is how did it happen?
here is Mr Dawkins answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtE...eature=related

checkmate atheist!

[cobraKing]

.. sus intawn ninyong duha oi, naa pay pina CHECKMATE... pag ka O.A. bya nimo oi ... nag tuo gyud ka na sakto na gyud ka kamong duha puro mo sayop, kay sa tinuod, walay nakabalo kung unsa gyud ang sakto ...

.. if gusto gyud mo makabalo naa ba ginoo, hala, kamatay mo, matubag na ninyo inyo pangutana... sumo kau mo paminawun oi .. mga anak-sweto ra kau, pero pareho mo sayop ug pareho sad mo sakto.. mao na paghilum mong duha diha.

dah! igo lgi tanan..mahuman na jud ni ang thread ba..hehehehe

[redhorse1L]

@hitch22

Name me one scientific theory or scientific law that suggests divine intervention as part of its equations or explanations. You couldn't find one.
Of course you can't, because Science studies on the natural and observable world.
A Science book does not include God in the subject, but doesn't mean that the author don't believe in God.
I'm just telling you that those scientists, no matter how great is their passion in science, were still convinced that there is still someone, beyond the physical world, that could have created all these.

If they believe in God, it doesn't mean they are less scientist than those who don't.
In fact, there are even scientist, sees enligthenment of God, after digging down on their field of study.
Take on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis...ns_(geneticist)

The planets move around the sun in ellipses because there is a force between any of them and the sun which decreases as the square of the distance.
- Please don't ever think that God is constantly spinning the planets like marbles, I'm not saying that.

They were not called scientists in those days. They were NATURAL PHILOSOPHERS.
- So Galileo, Newton were not scientists? Maybe you're thinking of Plato or Aristotle.
Although they have contributed to natural philosophy, these people were also mathematicians, physicists, astronomer, etc.
You might want to check again their biography.

IMAGINE AT ONE TIME THEY CONDEMNED THE SMALLPOX VACCINE..NO CONFLICT BETWEEN RELIGION AND SCIENCE??
- You keep on quoting "ONE TIME they condemned" this, or that. Like I've said, the church was not yet ready to accept the truth about science. Have you ever heard nowadays, where the Church says: The earth is flat, or the Sun revolves around the Earth, or Smallpox Vaccine is evil, or the Earth is created in 6 Calendar days?
If Japan have invented robots in the 14th century, surely the Church would also brand those poor Samurais as practicing witchcraft.

Einstein said he is not an aethist, but don't believe in a personal God.
He could be a Deist. Who cares? As long as he believe that there is beyond this natural world, a supernatural, all-powerful Being who created all things.
Famous Scientists Who Believed in God
The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."


Now, I'm asking you.
From a singularity, we have a small dense energy ball.
Does this singularity ever existed in eternity? Was it always there before the Big Bang?

[diday1019]

Bible. walay maka lupig ni GOD.
Plus, kanang mga tao na sige research about ana, dili na sila makadawat sa truth.
And dili sad ko mu tuo nga gikan kog unggoy uy. bahala na. sila lang. hehehe

[masterjanuarius]

haaaayyyy ...! kanus-a kaha ni maghuman

[necrotic freak]

^^mga istoryan gods ra maka pahuman ani.

[I_Stand_Alone]

I still believe in the Bible.

[hitch22]

In fact, there are even scientist, sees enligthenment of God, after digging down on their field of study.
Take on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis...ns_(geneticist)

I know. I even pointed that out way back in this thread when I made the point that belief in the Theory of Evolution need not be in conflict with religious beliefs. Francis Collins was one example I gave of an Evangelical Christian who is also a believer in the Theory of Evolution...the other being Ken Miller, a Roman Catholic biology professor who is known for his opposition to the intelligent design (ID) movement.

- So Galileo, Newton were not scientists? Maybe you're thinking of Plato or Aristotle.
Although they have contributed to natural philosophy, these people were also mathematicians, physicists, astronomer, etc.
You might want to check again their biography.

Remember, the point I was responding to was this statement of yours:

The Church on those days, given their limited knowledge on Science, reacts to those kinds of scientific ideas which she thinks a clear conflict with her teaching. Even other scientists, at first thinks Galileo was crazy by saying that the Earth revolves around the sun.

Galileo is widely considered as the Father of Modern Science, since he was (as far as Western Civilization is concerned) the first to use experimentation to test scientific hypothesis. Isaac Newton's distinction is being the first to fully use the modern scientific method to develop his model of the clockwork universe. I'll just quote what I've said before (way back in this thread):

Newton was the first to arrive at his theories using the constant interplay of observation and theory. He built on the observations and experiments by Galileo and Kepler. And he used the cycle of observation, theory, test-against-new-observations repeatedly until his investigations achieved a complete understanding of the phenomenon being studied. And after he incorporated all of his understandings into his sweeping theory of motion, his theory was then used to make predictions like the re-appearance of Halley's comet. And only after many such tests was the theory accepted by scientists. THAT'S THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD IN ACTION.

What I'm arguing against is the statement that "scientists thought Galileo was crazy". Take this quote from Galileo (his letter to Kepler):

My dear Kepler, I wish that we might laugh at the remarkable stupidity of the common herd. What do you have to say about the principal philosophers of this academy who are filled with the stubbornness of an asp and do not want to look at either the planets, the moon or the telescope, even though I have freely and deliberately offered them the opportunity a thousand times? Truly, just as the asp stops its ears, so do these philosophers shut their eyes to the light of truth.

Just like what I've said, they were not scientists. They're natural philosophers, as what Galileo calls them. And worse, "science" during the Middle Ages in Europe was a sub-field of Theology. Just remember who had the power and the money...and you'll know that it was the Church that persecuted Galileo on religious grounds (I've already presented proof of that again and again). Here's what I said about the prevailing method adopted by the natural philosophers in those times:

Actually the methods of experimentation have been practiced by Arab intellectuals long before Galileo. However, these methods were looked down on by the powerful Christian Church during Galileo's time. The Christian church maintained that conclusions could only be reached by discussion and logic, as had been taught by Aristotle.

Galileo and Newton are what we may call the few outliers...the few pioneers in the use of modern scientific method.

However, when Christian Fundamentalists say they feel like Galileo when the mainstream scientific community reject creationism, that's just hypocrisy. Galileo's jailers now think they're Galileos? This is a case of religion attempting to make science a sub-field of Theology once again...just like in the good ol' days. When Johnathan Wells (a staunch ID advocate and a fellow at the Discovery Institute, an organization hell-bent on discrediting Evolution and replacing it with ID) was pressed by the media for his answer on who the designer is in his Intelligent Design (ID) Theory, HE REFUSED TO ANSWER. WHY? BECAUSE IF HE DOES, AND OBVIOUSLY HE'S GOING TO SAY "IT'S THE CHRISTIAN GOD"...not only will he lose his cause of teaching ID in US schools in the courts (which they've lost again and again, anyway), he will also incur suspicion and backlash from the non-Christian communities.

If Japan have invented robots in the 14th century, surely the Church would also brand those poor Samurais as practicing witchcraft.

I'm glad you got the point. Do you think the Church (I suppose we're referring to the one in Rome) no longer hold medieval superstitious beliefs? WHAT DO YOU CALL EXORCISM THEN?

Einstein said he is not an aethist, but don't believe in a personal God.
He could be a Deist. Who cares? As long as he believe that there is beyond this natural world, a supernatural, all-powerful Being who created all things.

I agree. I didn't say Einstein was an atheist. At best, he may be a Deist...though he never categorically said so.

Now, I'm asking you.
From a singularity, we have a small dense energy ball.
Does this singularity ever existed in eternity? Was it always there before the Big Bang?

MY ANSWER: I DON'T KNOW

WHAT'S YOUR ANSWER?

[orcgod]

Lee Strobel is not a Young Earth Creationist mao na magamit cya og fossils sa iyang arguments. Si bungot wala nag klaro kung unsa cya nga type of creationist. YEC or OEC.

yeah, he use to be an Atheist. Ang naka alegre, kay Si Strobel too kaayo ug Ginoo, pero Nitoo sad siya ug Fossil Date Records. Which is dili gyud mag ka co-exist.

Once man gud mu believe ka ug Fossil Records especially Cambrian Period, its automatic nga you discarded the BIBLE story.

So ang logic ani ron kay, If mutoo ka ug Ginoo, mutoo gyud ka ug Bibliya, nya ang sa Bibliya nga kalibutan 10,000 yrs old raman, nya mao say Gituhu-an sa mga Creationist. So its safe to say, ang mutoo ug Ginoo, dili gyud mutoo ug Fossil Records which dated millions of years ago.

Mao si Strobel, iya ra gi contradict iya kaugalingon, ug si Bungot nga #1 Fan ni Strobel, post dayon sa video, nga klaro kaayo wala gi sabot ang iyang gitan-aw nga video. Basta ni ingon si Strobel naay Ginoo, si Bungot syagit dayon ug AMEN!