FREE MASONRY - the Principles

[mannyamador]

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WIll it take me forever to look up in the Bible the passage where God excommunicates his children?
Perhaps Mr.Amador can help me point where in the Bible I can find this?

Perhaps you can take the time to read the previous posts. You will find this:

https://www.istorya.net/forums/index....462#msg1733462

Here is part of the text of the above post:

Matthew 18:15-18:

• If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that 'every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Take note that St. Paul carried out excommunication even in the early Church (1 Corinthians 5:1-5)

• It is widely reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of a kind not found even among pagans--a man living with his father's wife. And you are inflated with pride. Should you not rather have been sorrowful? The one who did this deed should be expelled from your midst I, for my part, although absent in body but present in spirit, have already, as if present, pronounced judgment on the one who has committed this deed, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus: when you have gathered together and I am with you in spirit with the power of the Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

Now that was St. Paul himself teaching excommunication! Food for thought...

[Jacks]

so manny, can you say what you want to say in a few sentences?... what is your point anyway?...

klaruhon ta ning tawhana kay kuyaw kuyaw na man ni siya... ang nakakuyaw gyud ani niya, mura na man nigawas gud nga dautan ang catholic church aning gipakita niya nga mura kunuhay ni siya representative para sa mga katoliko diri...

also, unsa may naa anang excommunication ba?... ngano man diay na?... kung maexcommunicate ta, di na ta malangit ana?... kanang moingon nga ang usa ka taw naexcommunicate niya di na makakuyog sa Ginoo, unsa na siya Ginoo na siya nga makahukom ana?...

[Jacks]

"Matthew 18:15-18:

If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that 'every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

sige sige, enlighten me... so in this case, which is the sin?...

[mannyamador]

sige sige, enlighten me... so in this case, which is the sin?...

You seem to be missing the point. Excommunciation is taught in the Bible and practiced by the Apostles. Please see the context of my previous post.

[Gwynhuever]

1 - catholic church is an organization
2 - as such they have specific rules
3 - if you break the rules you suffer the consequences
4 - free masonry is against catholic church rules
5 - therefore freemasons are excommunicated

so archer and blackwidow you are both excommunicated ....kasabot mo?? or balik balikon pa ni nako? kagahi ba ninyo ug ulo....!

kaguol ba ninyo ma excommunicate ...ako gani gusto sad ma excommunicate.....ari na lang mo pa member sa pop corn club ...way daghang balaod...the only rules are that you worship in spirit and truth...

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

But where were YOUR ideas sourced from?

Where was it sourced from ? DUH ....

- firdst hand experience
- associates
- fellow brothers
- meetings
- inquiries
- DUH , DUH , DUH , DUH , LOLZ !

Â* Does it make more lesser ACCURATE compared to cutting and pasting aticles like what you are known doing here ? Nobody is arguing your stand towards whatever law you are presenting for CATHOLIC FREEMASONS lives on the words of God and not the WORDS and WORKS of MAN like you . Talking about salvation eh ? OFFTOPIC na ta . What we are against in what you are known in doing here is you are SHOVING it DOWN OUR THROATS .... there is no need for it .

Are we supposed to accept YOUR word? Duh!

ARE WE ? Who is the WE but only YOU .. DUH , DUH , DUH ! LOLZ !! Now ... ARE WE supposed to accept your CLAIMS , COPY and PASTING , POINT of VIEWS ? Who the heck are you anyways ?? You can answer that with a YES or NO .

You have to refute the evidence presented therein. You can't discredit an article jsut because it was from the Internet (by the way, they were in printed form too). It implies you haven't any evidence to prove otherwise. Doing so is called PREJUDICE. It's neither useful nor probative.

Â* That is not the POINT . You ask questions and you were answered . Now who is the PREJUDICE by calling and tagging people LIARS just because our/their answers does not conform in your favor ??

Truly, none are so blind as those who refuse to see!

Â* I think you are the one who refuses to SEE the TRUTH and whats going on .

[Jacks]

yes manny i actually am missing the point... you qouted a bible passage and said that was talking about excommunication... so then enlighten me on how that passage talks about excommunication...

as i understand it, that passage talked about person A doing a sin, and with all the efforts of a whole group [church] to correct him but still he refuses to listen, he is to be treated as a gentile [or that would mean being excommunicated, creect?]...

so anyway, in this case here [about this topic] being a freemason is the sin?... why is it a sin?... i still fail to understand why it is a sin... because the church says so?... then what is the church's basis?... and please, if you will answer me with copied and pasted documents, just post a link to them, and post your OWN words and ideas instead... i'm not really fond of reading really long articles...

[Gwynhuever]

^^ biliba nako nimo bro jacks oi...kamao man diay ka mo iningles....

[mannyamador]

as i understand it, that passage talked about person A doing a sin, and with all the efforts of a whole group [church] to correct him but still he refuses to listen, he is to be treated as a gentile [or that would mean being excommunicated, creect?]...

Yes.

so anyway, in this case here [about this topic] being a freemason is the sin?... why is it a sin?

In my previous post, I quoted an article which stated (in part):

• https://www.istorya.net/forums/index....059#msg1767059
  Masonic associations are thus included under a more general heading which could include any other association conspiring against the Church (e.g. a specific communist party).

Historically, a great many masonic lodges were explicitly anti-Catholic organizations. You can read about their history and see other references at:

• http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm

[mannyamador]

Where was it sourced from ? DUH ....
- firdst hand experience
- associates
- fellow brothers
- meetings
- inquiries
- DUH , DUH , DUH , DUH , LOLZ !

Like I said... you expect us to take YOUR word for it? Yeah right. And my first name is Elvis!

If you claim other sources are inaccurate simply becuase they aren't yours, then YOUR word is hardly any more credible.

At least I haver presented publicly available, published sources that have been reviewed by their peers and have stood the test of time. These can be easily checked and verified. YOUR "sources", however, CANNOT.

You ask questions and you were answered.

WRONG again. I wasn't mainly asking questions. I was mainly posting information. I requested you to ask a question to prove how wrong your denials were. And for weeks tyou were afraid to ask asimple question of your superiors! And, of course, you didn't even ask the follow up question!

Finally, you continue to use poor reasoning that always backfires on you. if you tried using rational arguments instead we might get somewhere.