FREE MASONRY - the Principles

[i_a_m_d_e_d_e]

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there's such a question as "may i help you?"...

That's why reading this forum is voluntary. People can choose to read a psot ro not. But NOT posting it means they will never know.

meh, you talk like you're this all-knowing savior of the lost sheep.

Not at all. I'm just sharing the facts that I know and I back it up with evidence. Others can do the same. No one is forced to accept what is presented, but if the evidence is persuasive, then maybe some will. It's a marketplace of ideas, and an idea that is persuasive can get good "market share".

sakto si manny..
he is trying to make an intelligent discussion/debate..
ni state ra siya sa iya nahibaw-an nga facts and is supporting it with evidence..
wa sad ko ingon nga sakto siya or sayop pud.
mao man pud ni ang main purpose sa threads.

[BaDBoY]

bitaw noh? but this thread only says about the Principles, should the debate be allowed here? hmmmmm

[Archer sensAtion]

sakto diay nang apilon ang RELIGION dri sa topic?...

sakto diay nang mang brainwash ug tawo?...(sharing is good, but brainwash is bad)

sakto diay nang mag ask ug question unya if mo answer ka ingon ka nga lier?...(nag tuo cya nga SAKTO cya unya ang mga tawo dri SAYOP)

unya SAKTO na?...

[Jacks]

"sakto diay nang mag ask ug question unya if mo answer ka ingon ka nga lier?...(nag tuo cya nga SAKTO cya unya ang mga tawo dri SAYOP)"

kini i_a_m_d_e_d_e sakto ni?... unsaon man pagkahimong "intelligent" sa usa ka discussion/debate kung dili open minded ang participants niya kung ang idea sa pikas di pareha sa iya, moingon siya bakak or di tinuod... sakto ba nang ing-ana?...

also, giingon na man from previous posts nga dili religious group ang freemasonry, nganong himuon man ni gna religious issue?...

sa imong giingon i_a_m_d_e_d_e, ni state si manny sa facts(?), pero di man na angay tingali ipamugos niya, mura sa sugod pa lang nastorya na man niya iyang point, di na man na angay ipugos pa gyud... unsaon man pagkahimong intelligent ani kung magbalikbalik ra na siya... i think he made his point, the catholic church is against freemasonry... no need na man tingali magsige pa'g post og mga gicopy/paste nga mga documents...

this topic is about freemasonry, kung ganahan mo maghimo og anti-freemasonry nga topic, i think free man mo maghimo... di lang unta ni liboglibogon o bulabugon ni nga topic ba... ana lang unta... tarong nga katoliko man na siya as he implies, so i believe he knows what the word respect means...

[Gwynhuever]

..i agree that this is a free form discussion..so each person has the right to express his own convictions...however sometimes maka wala gana to post when the discussion is dominated by a thread of thought or by a one on one debate between posters....or kanang proving claims too much....it can sometimes get on my nerves and turn me off....that is just my personal opinion though....the official site moderators do not step in with the discussion as long as the forum rules are followed ...BUT the thread starter should "moderate" the way the discussion is going...like this thread is supposed to discuss the Principles of Free Masonry ...not the Catholic Church'es stand against it....nawala man nuon sa focus gud....mao nay maka mingaw sa thread kay makapoi na man lang and di na ma encourage to post kay mag lalis na man nuon....

[i_a_m_d_e_d_e]

oh yes.
sayop ko kay this thread is for the principles of free masons diay.

but i think di man sad siguro "brainwashing" ang iya gibuhat.. hehehe
wa koy side nga gilabanan.. im all for the better good.

[BaDBoY]

anyway, kung naay discussions or debate, as long as it is healthy one, it could be very informative...

[mannyamador]

there is no need of defending because all so called " IDEAS " were sourced from the internet articles arand I guess some people are still inclined of cant accept the FACTS and move on .

But where were YOUR ideas sourced from?Are we supposedto accept YOUR word? Duh!

You have to refute the evidence presented therein. You can't discredit an article jsut because it was from the Internet (by the way, they were in printed form too). It implies you haven't any evidence to prove otherwise. Doing so is called PREJUDICE. It's neither useful nor probative.

Truly, none are so blind as those who refuse to see!

[mannyamador]

CLARIFICATION CONCERNING STATUS OF CATHOLICS BECOMING FREEMASONS
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

On 19 July 1974 this Congregation wrote to some Episcopal Conferences a private letter concerning the interpretation of can 2335 of the Code of Canon Law which forbids Catholics, under the penalty of excommunication, to enroll in Masonic or other similar associations.

Since the said letter has become public and has given rise to erroneous and tendentious interpretations, this Congregation, without prejudice to the eventual norms of the new Code, issues the following confirmation and clarification:

1) the present canonical discipline remains in full force and has not been modified in any way;

2) consequently, neither the excommunication nor the other penalties envisaged have been abrogated;

3) what was said in the aforesaid letter as regards the interpretation to be given to the canon in question should be understood—as the Congregation intended—merely as a reminder of the general principles of interpretation of penal laws for the solution of the cases of individual persons which may be submitted to the judgment of ordinaries. It was not, however, the intention of the Congregation to permit Episcopal Conferences to issue public pronouncements by way of a judgment of a general character on the nature of Masonic associations, which would imply a derogation from the aforesaid norms.

Rome, from the Office of the S. Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 17 February 1981.


Present Legislation

The present legislation of the Church is contained in canon 1374:

Can. 1374 A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or takes office in such an association is to be punished with an interdict.

In the previous Code (can 2335), Masonry is explicitly mentioned. As the declaration of 26 November 1983 explains, the omission of the name "Mason" in the present Church law is due to an "editorial criterion". Masonic associations are thus included under a more general heading which could include any other association conspiring against the Church (e.g. a specific communist party).


Some Documents of the Popes on Masonry.

Clement XII In Eminenti, const. 24 Apr. 1738
Benedict XIV Providas, const. 18 May 1751
Pius VII Ecclesiam a Jesu Christo, const. 13 Sept. 1821
Leo XII Quo Graviora, const. 13 Mar. 1825
Pius VIII Traditi Humilitati, encyc. 24 May 1829
Gregory XVI Mirari Vos, encyc. 15 Aug. 1832
Pius IX Qui Pluribus, encyc. 9 Nov. 1846
Leo XIII Humanum Genus, encyc. 20 Apr. 1884
Leo XIII Dall' Alto Dell' Opostolico, Seggio, encyc.
Leo XIII Inimica Vos, encyc. 8 Dec. 1892,.
Leo XIII Custodi Di Quella Fede, encyc. 8 Dec. 1892

[blackwidow]

OT:
Naa na pod ning arrogante diri ay. Ingnon tang bakakon ta unya DUH DUHon pa jud ta. Out of topic ra ba jud.
HAyyyyyyy... Daghan na man kaayo na iyang mga out of topic na posts, dili na violations sa rules diri?
Ambrotttt lang judddd. sumo na jud kaayo.

Bro Archer Sensation,
YOU and I ARE clearly excommunicated by the Catholic Church, aren't we (matud pa sa tawo diri, matud pod sa catholic code of canon) ?!?! Tsk.
Something is wrong. Terribly wrong. Isn't this the Church that believes in Jesus? The Church that preaches to the people to walk in Jesus path? WIll it take me forever to look up in the Bible the passage where God excommunicates his children?

Perhaps Mr.Amador can help me point where in the Bible I can find this?