Vocation For Priesthood in The Philippines, Now Deteriorating!

[FAQ]

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There is no more point of discussing this since you fail to be in the same page for a second or you only refuse to to be in the same page .

Me, refusing to be in the same page? I think you are! Check the previous post.

Usbon nako .... their actions/wrongdoings does not constitue the doings and why the church existed . Even in the issue of that in Lourdes Parish , you associated the exploiting teacher with the whole parish and branded the church as CORRUPT .

WTF!!!!!! What does the Lourdes Parish has to do with this issue?!?!

By the way ... the things they have in common ? still the word ALLEGED ... take up LAW and you will encounter the phrase " INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY " but then again , for you GUILTY ang tanan PARI to include the PARISHIONERS . What a pity !!

They are being ALLEGED because people reported them to the authorities!! If you are ALLEGED let's say for example of Zoophilia, you are declared/stated as the one who committed the crime. Yeah, you have to be detained and you have to be in court to deny the claim. But however, those priest who are being alleged, they hide from the authorities or seeking asylum at the Vatican Embassy.

When you say it is SELF EXPLANATORY , that is about your other given links that shares the same content of your mindsetting , naay nanobra ug naay kuwang pod and that is ... unless ikaw ang BIKTIMA mismo , maski di ka katuohan but deep inside kabalo ka na sakto ka since its a firsthand information kay ikaw man ang involved . Gets na ??

I know what is "self-explanatory" noy. What I don't understand, why did you say it's self-explanatory?

Wala ka nakasabot or you refuse to comprehend ? Another desperate reasoning eh ? Patabang sa mga colleagues nimo na edukado pod aron di masayang investment nimo sa tuition fees nimo .

This is what you said: "Where have I been hiding for the past 10 years ? To answer that , I dont even know if its you who are hiding because if not for the internet , do you really think you can participate in the discussion backed up by GOOGLE and YAHOO ?"

I don't know wtf are you talking about!! Your sentences doesn't make any sense.

Labawng kamabaw sa analogy nimo . Of course di ko mo sugot kay I have other plans for them but then again , I am not sending them to the SEMINARY tungod kay hadlok ko na basin ma SEXUALLY ABUSED sila . Gets na ? Syaro ka dodong .

Well, people have different views. You may send your kids to seminary, while other parents doesn't want their kids to be there. Why do you have to make it such a big deal?

And like I said ... that " COULD " is applicable also to SCHOOL , CAMPING , SLEEPOVERS , MALLING etc .

You asked, "why would you not send your kids to the SEMINARY and you can send them to SCHOOL , CAMPING , SLEEPOVERS , MALLING etc ?"

Where's the word "could" in there??

Sa laktod na storya lage you did not only GENERALIZE but you also SINGLE OUT the church and I am starting to realize that " MAYBE " its your HATRED of the church that triggered why you have such outlook towards it .

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHURCH!!!!! That's why I single it out. It's not your business Springfield if there are people hate the church!!!!

Are you sure ? They do actually correlate , its you who doesnt correlate them because of your mentality towards the church . If your suggestion is applied to the government , what do you think is the outcome ? INgon ana pod ang outcome sa RELIGION . Why would I suck when in fact it wasnt me who never tried to think before writing ?

Ok, if they do correlate, give me proofs!

The reason why Philippines is a secular country, because politics and religion are totally different things.

Lol .... another here we go again ? Did I say that you said the church needs more priest ? Thats your own confusion bugging you because you ran out excuses and you are only good but not better in trying to put back in my mouth what I said .

You asked me this: "Do you really think ana pod ka desperate ang church to accept priest ? Dawat ke dawat lang ?"

That's why I said I didn't say anything like that.

CATHOLIC PRIEST are doing it and abusing little kids ? Are you sure of that or are you referring to some erring Catholic priest are abusing little children ?

OMG, it's on the NEWS!!!!! Did you at least watched the documentary though??

See how LITERAL you are ? Marami ang namatay sa maling akala and you should know that . You dont have to be a PRIEST to sin because you are HOMOSEXUAL .

You mean, "You don't have to be a heterosexual to be a priest"? Like I said, the church been telling people that being homosexual is a sin and now, it's ok to have a homosexual priest?

Unsay labot sa women in military ?We are discussing here about tricky comparisons because I am checking how well vered you are when it comes to logic . Ani ni dong ay ... I know a lot of homosexual military members who are more high ranking , productive and patriotic than your average straight men and women . Dili gihapon nimo ma konekta sa pagka pari and its role in the church ? Mao ni ang konekta dong ... kusog kaayo ka mo brand but then you havent realized na ang gipang single out nimo man diay ang mga maayo . Please dont talk about GAY PRIEST just because I said there are good GAY SOLDIERS , AIRMEN and SAILORS .

Ummm, you asked why there are gay men in the military and I said it's ok because regardless of your sexual orientation, you can be in the military. Understand?? I pointed out women because anyone can join the military unless you have some physical disabilities, not a citizen of country or didn't passed the height requirements.

Ay sus nimo ... be more realistic and in the same page . You start to bore me with your desperate reasoning antics .

I think you are manoy.

Uhmmm .... you are not only good in GENERALIZING but in SPECULATING as well . If you review my previous replies , I always make it to the point that indeed it really happened and I even despised it but because you generalized which is the reason why existed here kay aron naay mo supalpal nimo .

Umm... Just to make this clear, I didn't asked you to object my statements. Where's the part where I was generalizing and speculating? I provided with proofs on my statements, and your calling that generalizing??

LMFAO ! Oh really ? BY who ? Where and when ? Which thread ? How can you know the truth when you cant even accept FACTS ?

Ummm... your objections are full of denying the truth about the abuse of the Catholic church. And now, you're accusing me that I'm the one who's denying the "FACTS" of yours which you never even presented at least one "FACT"??

One of the reasons you are only objecting my statements because you are holding grudges against me.

Midlife crisis ? Oh c'mon ... I am so happy with life , goals met ,

Whatever, I don't care. I don't even care that you are a parishioner of the Alliance of Two Hearts or member of some loser fraternity.

people na gi supalpal nako kay cge ug pataka na obvious kaayo and much much more and here you are talking about MIDLIFE CRISIS ? Dont even start with your Ad Hominems ... remember that I am a " MOD " . LOLZ !!

"Supalpal" diha but you have nothing to do about other people's opinion and you have no right changing people's beliefs/opinions/views just because they're different than yours. Who do you think are you to do that? Yeah you're the "mod" here, but in reality, you are just a nobody.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Me, refusing to be in the same page? I think you are! Check the previous post.

Playing with your arguments eh ? If you are not refusing anything .... then why do you keep on insisting on a twisted mindset you have to instill on everyone that the CHURCH is EVIL if I have to use an adjective to describe it basing from your point of views ?

WTF!!!!!! What does the Lourdes Parish has to do with this issue?!?!

Nothing actually ... its just a matter of comparison to remind you how you react on issues based from your closeminded and pre programmed mindsetting towards your approach sa church . Gets na nimo ? If you only dig deeper rather than cursing , it would be ok . That serves as your last warning also for unaccepable language .

They are being ALLEGED because people reported them to the authorities!! If you are ALLEGED let's say for example of Zoophilia, you are declared/stated as the one who committed the crime.

Lolz ... get your definitions squared away dong . When you say DECLARED , you just said that your are CONVICTED then it is not alleged anymore and in the case of your issues , that is what's going on . Without proper investigation and research , ni CONCLUDE na ka . As easy as GOOGLING ra man ka gud ... what do I expect ?

Yeah, you have to be detained and you have to be in court to deny the claim. But however, those priest who are being alleged, they hide from the authorities or seeking asylum at the Vatican Embassy.

Lolz ... another nonsense and baseless ACCUSATION . Why dont you read MANNY AMADORS post about how the VATICAN'S participation of the crimes commited allegedly by erring priest .

I know what is "self-explanatory" noy. What I don't understand, why did you say it's self-explanatory?

Why ? That is because you keep on blabbing about your proofs from GOOGLE when in fact you yourself dont know the FACTS and FIGURES behind it . The self expanatory part is , I know when you type or google S3X , PRIEST , ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ... it is expected to result into thousand if not millions of links to choose from that will back-up your desperate arguments .

This is what you said: "Where have I been hiding for the past 10 years ? To answer that , I dont even know if its you who are hiding because if not for the internet , do you really think you can participate in the discussion backed up by GOOGLE and YAHOO ?"

I don't know wtf are you talking about!! Your sentences doesn't make any sense.

It doesnt make any sense or ga libog ka tungod na korner ka ? You cant even use your sailor mouths choice of words properly in a sentence and here you are talking about sentence construction as your desperate measures for the nth time ? Tsk tsk tsk ... sa laktod na storya dong ... tan-aw nimo kung walay INTERNET , makasabay kaha ka sa uso sa diskusyon ? All you did was twist the phrases , shoving it down to someones throat and google . Nothing with substance at all ... except na you are letting us know that you are well versed in history lol .

Well, people have different views. You may send your kids to seminary, while other parents doesn't want their kids to be there. Why do you have to make it such a big deal?

Its you who made it a big deal and not me . I can send my children anywhere else but not the seminary but not for the mere reason of being SCARED because they MIGHT end up being SEXUALLY ABUSED . Unsay wala jud nimo masabtan ana ? You keep on running on circles on top of being nonsensical . ON your part ... you really mentioned that dili nimo ipadala nim mga bata nimo sa seminaryo kay LOBTON unya sila lol .

You asked, "why would you not send your kids to the SEMINARY and you can send them to SCHOOL , CAMPING , SLEEPOVERS , MALLING etc ?"

Where's the word "could" in there??

Huh ? last time I checked ... its you who used that word being someone who is not so sure , steadfast , firm or both feet on ground of your statements and ended up using the word COULD .

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHURCH!!!!! That's why I single it out. It's not your business Springfield if there are people hate the church!!!!

Lol !! There is no more sense in gaging your OPINION being a person who HATES specially the church that is the center of the discussion . When you single out a person , thing , place or whatsoever ... it clearly designates that individual as a CLOSEMINDED person and you just justified it and saving me of any SPECUALTIONS that you are . Thank you for that because it is a clarification on your behalf .

Ok, if they do correlate, give me proofs!

When something that is pictured out and justified with COMMONSENSE ... why need a proof ?

The reason why Philippines is a secular country, because politics and religion are totally different things.

What a statement !! ANywhere in the world ... 2 totally different entities man jud ang RELIGION and GOVERNMENT. Na uns ana man ka oi ??

You asked me this: "Do you really think ana pod ka desperate ang church to accept priest ? Dawat ke dawat lang ?"

That's why I said I didn't say anything like that.

Didnt you just sound one like when you said that "Prior to accepting ASPIRANTS in the seminary ... one should undergo some PSYCHOLOGICAL and EROTIC EK EK exams ? " LMFAO !!

OMG, it's on the NEWS!!!!! Did you at least watched the documentary though??

Uhm ... which one ? My facebook account says , I am interested in DISCOVERY and NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC lol . Unsay title sa documentary that says ALL CATHOLIC PRIEST NI ABUSE UG BATA ? Likewise , I said na maybe you are referring to SOME CATHOLIC PRIEST NI ABUSE UG BATA . See the difference ? Ayaw lage pag generalized maski HATE pa nimo ang church . Di ka madatu ana dong lol .

You mean, "You don't have to be a heterosexual to be a priest"? Like I said, the church been telling people that being homosexual is a sin and now, it's ok to have a homosexual priest?

Read my post again and digest it properly . Usapa ug tarong di kay tulon dayon .

Ummm, you asked why there are gay men in the military and I said it's ok because regardless of your sexual orientation, you can be in the military. Understand?? I pointed out women because anyone can join the military unless you have some physical disabilities, not a citizen of country or didn't passed the height requirements.

Lol ... just get over with it . You are simply lost in the analogy here my dear . Lagpas na kaayo ka because you are being LITERAL .

I think you are manoy.

You think what ??

Umm... Just to make this clear, I didn't asked you to object my statements. Where's the part where I was generalizing and speculating? I provided with proofs on my statements, and your calling that generalizing??

Are you kidding me ??

You speculated that I am protecting my church , my denials of the abuse of the erring Catholic priest , that I hold a grudge on you and yes I am protecting it from your ridiculous statements , not from the critics that has SUBSTANCE which you deifnitly LACK .

You generalized that all PRIEST are *** PREDATORS , CHURCH is CORRUPT , and that the CHURCH is ABUSING etc .

Ummm... your objections are full of denying the truth about the abuse of the Catholic church. And now, you're accusing me that I'm the one who's denying the "FACTS" of yours which you never even presented at least one "FACT"??

I need not present any facts since I am not discussing something out of your FACTS . I am presenting here SENTIDO KOMON dodong against your twisted mindsetting .

One of the reasons you are only objecting my statements because you are holding grudges against me.

Why would I do that ? Ikaw man gani ang angay mag dumot nako lol kay gihatagan tika ug infraction . Just because ni SUPALPAL ko nimo ... that equates to a grudge ? Wake up boy !!

Whatever, I don't care. I don't even care that you are a parishioner of the Alliance of Two Hearts or member of some loser fraternity.

I never aksed you to care lol . Whats my loser fraternity ? I'd rather be with Alpha Kappa Rho than being associated with JOAVAN FERNANDEZ ... kana ha unless kaila jud mo lol otherwise NAGPAKA ARON INGNON lang ka .

"Supalpal" diha but you have nothing to do about other people's opinion and you have no right changing people's beliefs/opinions/views just because they're different than yours. Who do you think are you to do that? Yeah you're the "mod" here, but in reality, you are just a nobody.

First things first ... I never intervened nor changed anyones opinion just because it crosses mine . You can attest that from DEVNULLS replies and I even acknowledged it with respect . Ayaw lage pagpataka dodong kay kung sa kaka pa ... kumong kumong naka . The thing is ... I am just a mod here ... and you are here also so I can always say who's your daddy mr. FAQ ?? LMFAO !!

[SioDenz]

hmmm. I've never heard of that, storya2x ra na..igoogle mo nga kung unsa jud ng El Shaddai, charismatic movement gyapon na sa Katoliko.

tan awa, bisag daghan jud kakita mu ingun dayun istorya ra.
Mao sad ni, if naay mga kadagkuan sa simbahan makasala, bisag naa na nakakita - mu ingun dayun istorya ra na, dili i generalize. Puro depensa. Unsaon pag sulbad sa deterioration sa church? unsaon pagbalik sa pagsalig nga di man gani mu angkon? unsaon pagsulbad sa problema if di ta mu angkon nga naay problema.

[SioDenz]

yeye...let's not incorporate Mike Velarde's El Shaddai....mao ra gyapon pangitaan gyapon sa mga anti-priests og loophole na.

I believed ang mga tawo na nireply diri sa thread ky mga anti-priets ang uban...naa pud siguroy dili Katoliko diri unya patugatuga na na lang.

D ba..vocation ang gi istoryahan diri dili mga abuses..ok na point out nman na usa ang abuses nganong naay deterioration. let's move to another factor ok!

ok another factor, unsay gibuhat sa church? kanus a man? niangkon ba sila naay problema? nya naay improvement ang pag tan aw sa mga tawo sa simbahan karun?

[SioDenz]

I remember what my cousin priest who was based in Manila, told me several years ago. Bishop Bacani helped create this monster together with Velarde. It was too late when the congregation became fanatics unya nagpato-o to-o, nagmahay si Bacani maong ni distansya siya though siya gihapon ang spiritual adviser ining El-Shadai.

na shot sa taru diay bro..hehe

[force_driven]

ok another factor, unsay gibuhat sa church? kanus a man? niangkon ba sila naay problema? nya naay improvement ang pag tan aw sa mga tawo sa simbahan karun?

hmm..niangkon man pud pri dili lang sila mka adress dayon coz most of the people have biases on the priests nowadays just like the persons replying in this thread without even giving some priests and incoming priests a chance..

Sa klase namo we have been talking about this issues and our professor said, "Unya magpari pa mo?"

And we have it all in mind that we should take a risk in order to change for the good and not for the worse.FYI, gigrabe na ang formation sa seminary kron. Try niyo i-send inyong mga anak and I'm sure naa jud silay makat unan...

I know there would be a change and I will start it on my own self first if that is the case.

[brangelina]

God's blessing indeed!!!! God works in mysterious ways jud! Praise the Lord!

[i.draw.fast]

bitaw, daghan kaayo mangawas sa seminaryo. maski man gani pari mugawas pa man.

[radiostar]

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