FREE MASONRY - the Principles

[Jacks]

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mao gyud gwyn, sus gisunggo gud tawn ko ato paghimo nako atong akong english nga post niya wa diay gihapon kasabot... tingali ganahan siya og french or mandarin ba ron... haha saon na lang...

anyway, tinuod na mga "kusgan" ang mga masons?... like kanang mga influencial kaayo ba... mao man na kasagaran nako dunggan gud kana naa magstorya storya bout ana...

[i_a_m_d_e_d_e]

mga kusgan jud guro..
mga mason gud.. sige alsa ug bato, sige ug masa diba?..

[Jacks]

hala, kuan raba bay, ingon ko mga "masons"... mura wa may masons sa bisaya no?... so english tingali na siya, so dili tingali dili diay ang gipasabot ana kana magtrabaho sa construction... emen?... emen... hahahahahaha... ok sad ni si jamdede, makahinumdom sad ko sa akong mga amigo... haha...

[mannyamador]

Just some historical info on groups associated with freemasonry. I don't know if this group (Carbonari) exists in trhe Philippines.

Carbonari
(CHARCOAL-BURNERS)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03330c.htm

The name of a secret political society, which played an important part, chiefly in France and Italy, during the first decades of the nineteenth century. The improbable claim was made that the society originated some centuries earlier, and the French king Francis I appears in the secret documents of the Carbonari as one of their protectors. In reality the association originated as the eighteenth century passed into the nineteenth; it was one of the results of the political movement which accompanied the great French Revolution and of the political principles that were proclaimed at that time. It is not certain whether the Carbonari, as a political society, had its first organization in France or Italy. At any rate the power of the association was first shown at the beginning of the nineteenth century in the Kingdom of Naples and the States of the Church. Just as the name "Carbonari" was adopted from the charcoal-burners, so also in their secret intercourse they made use of many expressions taken from the occupation of charcoal-burning. The place where the members assembled was called baracca (hut), its interior vendita (place of selling coal), and its surroundings foresta (forest). The members called one another buon cugino (good cousin); those not belonging to the society were pagani (heathens). The Carbonari were divided into two classes: apprentices and masters. No apprentice could rise to the grade of a master before the end of six months. The members made themselves known to one another by secret signs in shaking hands. These signs for masters and apprentices were unlike. One of the underlying principles of the society, it is true, was that the "good brotherhood" rested on religion and virtue; but by this was understood a purely natural conception of religion, and the mention of religion was absolutely forbidden. In reality the association was opposed to the Church. Nevertheless, it venerated St. Theobald as its patron saint. The members belonging to each separate district formed a vendita, called thus from the place of assembly. At the head was the alta vendita, to which deputies were chosen from the other vendite. A small hatchet was the distinguishing symbol of a master, the apprentices were indicated by a little fagot worn in the button-hole. Initiation into the society was accompanied by special ceremonies which, in the reception into the grade of master, imitated the Passion of Christ in a manner actually blasphemous. The members were bound by a frightful oath to observe absolute silence concerning whatever occurred in the vendita. The similarity between the secret society of the Carbonari and Freemasonry is evident. Freemasons could enter the Carbonari as masters at once. The openly-avowed aim of the Carbonari was political: they sought to bring about a constitutional monarchy or a republic, and to defend the rights of the people against all forms of absolutism. They did not hesitate to compass their ends by assassination and armed revolt. As early as the first years of the nineteenth century the society was widespread in Neapolitan territory, especially in the Abruzzi and Calabria. Not only men of low birth but also government officials of high rank, officers, and even members of the clergy belonged to it.

In 1814 the Carbonari resolved to obtain a constitution for the Kingdom of Naples by force. The lawful ruler, Ferdinand I, was opposed to them, but the king placed on the throne by Napoleon, Murat, connected himself with them in March, 1815, as he believed the time was come to create a united and independent Italy. However, Murat was captured and shot in October of the same year and Ferdinand once more mounted the throne. In the following years the Carbonari grew in strength and power in all the districts of the Kingdom of Naples and made preparations for a new revolutionary movement. From Naples the Carbonari spread into the neighbouring territories of the States of the Church, and here also the society sought to overthrow the absolute dominion of the papacy. The Carbonari even promulgated a forged papal Brief which contained an apparent confirmation of the association. On 15 August, 1814, Cardinals Consalvi and Pacca issued an edict against secret societies, especially against Freemasonry and the Carbonari, in which all were forbidden under severe penalties to become members of these secret associations, to attend their meetings, or to furnish a meeting-place for such. Notwithstanding all this the propaganda of the Carbonari went on, chiefly in the district of Macerata, where an outbreak occurred, 25 June, 1817, which, however, was easily suppressed by the papal troops (cf. the important report, of Leggieri, Processo romano contro i congiurati di Macerata di 1817, ristretto presentato alla congregazione criminale, Rome, 181.

When the Spanish revolution broke out in 1820, the Neapolitan Carbonari once more took up arms, in order to wring a constitution from King Ferdinand I. They advanced against the capital from Nola under a military officer, Morelli, and the Abbot Minichini. They were joined by General Pepe and many officers and government officials, and the king on 13 July took an oath to observe the Spanish constitution in Naples (cf. Pepe's defence of himself, Relation des evenements politiques et militaires qui ont eu lieu a Naples en 1820 et 1821, Paris, 1822). The movement also spread to Piedmont, and Victor Emmanuel resigned the throne in favour of his brother Charles Felix. It was only through the intervention of Austria, which sent troops to Italy, that the movement was crushed and the Neapolitan constitution suppressed. The Carbonari, however, secretly continued their agitation against Austria and the governments in friendly connection with it. They formed, even in Rome, a vendita, published in the press the most violent accusations against the lawful rulers, and won over to their cause members of deposed sovereign families, among whom was Prince Louis, later Napoleon III. Pope Pius VII issued a general condemnation of the secret society of the Carbonari, 13 September, 1821. The association lost its influence by degrees and was gradually absorbed into the new political organizations that sprang up in Italy; its members became affiliated especially with Mazzini's "Young Italy". From Italy the organization was carried to France where it appeared as the Charbonnerie, which, as in Italy, was divided into ventes. Members were especially numerous in Paris, where the society was formed in 1821 by three young men named Bazard, Buchez, and Flotard. The chief aim of the association in France also was political, namely, to obtain a constitution in which the conception of the sovereignty of the people could find expression. From Paris as a centre the Charbonnerie spread rapidly through the country, and by the end of the year 1821 it was the cause of several mutinies among the troops. The movement lost its importance after several conspirators had been executed, especially as quarrels broke out among the leaders. The Charbonnerie took part in the Revolution of July, 1830; after the fall of the Bourbons, however, its influence rapidly declined. After this a Charbonnerie démocratique was formed among the French Republicans, the aim of which was to obtain a republican constitution for the country; however, after 1841, nothing more was heard of it. Carbonari were also to be found in Spain, but their numbers and importance were more limited than in the other Romance countries.

J.P. KIRSCH
Transcribed by Gerald M. Knight

[blackwidow]

OT: Ambrotttttttt lang juddddd..... libat libat na lang akong mata ani... lol...
sis gwen.. lumsi na lang ko popcorn sis! lol... bisan pa unsaon...ambrottt langgg judddd...

[Gwynhuever]

@blackwidow - na ambroott...sa langaw pilay edad sa kabaw....he he he

anyway bahala na na sila...padayon ta ug ato...naa ko friends sa una Rainbow sila....rainbow sad ka or lain sad? free love ba na inyoha? meaning can a demolay go out with a rainbow? naka adto baya ko sa inyong lodge duol sa lane theater sa una....kay nag ceremonyas man to nya ako friend kay starring man to siya oi....nalimot na lang ko kay dugay na man to gud....naa sad ko fraternity ...nya naa ko bro nga Demolay...kay di man daw sila gi na prohibit to join another frat...kay organization man lang daw ang demolay...

[blackwidow]

Hi Sis!
Mga Sis ra gihapon na namo ang Rainbow Girls but kami, Job's Daughter's, ang requirement sa amoa to get in the organization is... related mi to Master Masons or a daughter to a majority member , by blood. The Rainbows are for everyone. Yes also sis, these boys and girls can go out with the bros. And correct na sad, we are not prohibited to join any other frats.

To me, it was a great and wonderful experience kay... guided man gud mi sa Masons and Eastern Stars. Dili man nga kami-kami ra ang buot buot..tapos supported jud mi nila, ma financially or bisan unsa ra...hehehhe.. Tapos, mura jud sila namo ug parents jud pod. Murag one happy family. Very protected pod mi, monitored, not in the sense nga "binantayan" sa stricto nga mama or papa, concern kaayo sila sa amoa. Mga spoiled kaayo kay naa gud sila lambing lambingan namo kung kinahanglan ug funds. lol..
Gabinisaya na ko kay kapoyan na kaayo ko sa tawo nga sige lang ug wali diri... hayyyyy...
Daghan ko nakat-unan with the organization sis. Friendship, trust and all the good values in life. What can I say? I'm really proud to be one...

OT : Mata pa ka ha! kita ta ka online now ay! hehehehhe

[Gwynhuever]

@blackwidow...i know what you mean...i had a good time those days with my fraternity as well..pero karon lain na man ang frat...mag sige na man pangita ug away....in our time we were recognized by the school...had an adviser (one of the professors) nya we had to think of activities para ma continue among good standing....no free love tong amoa...so hide2 lang mi sa among crushes ha ha ha....

What is Eastern Star? Lady version sa Mason? Ikaw from Job's Daughter ma promote ka into Eastern Star automatically or naa lain rites to follow? So imong kid automatic sad qualified to join if he/she wants to?

mao lagi padong nako log off..kay late na...kalugar sad ka no.... good night na lang ko daan...

[Archer sensAtion]

@Gwyn:

Order of the Eastern Stars(O.E.S) mga wife na sila sa Mason...so mga mommy namo...hehehe if Job's daughter ka pwede ka mo apil sa OES...but dili i-promote, mo aplly ka as OES jud...pero mas dali2x nlang kay member naman ka sa Job's...

sa amo sad mga DeMolay...pwede mi mo sulod pagka Masons...ang uban mag Senior DeMolay pa...

...a DeMolay can go out with a Rainbow or Jobs"s??...yes, cgi man gani laag...hehe but kung mag uyab jud dili pwede...

@Blackwidow:

btaw Sis noh....mag pa lambing2x dayon para naa mo sponsor sa party haha... supportive kaayo na sila...mo ingon lang ug "naa mom party karon saturday?....hapita lang ang lechon sa balay"...hehehe

[mannyamador]

There are several secret societies associated with freemasonry. The article below lists some of them.

• http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14071b.htm
  III. MODERN ORGANIZATIONS
  Secret societies in the true sense began with symbolic Freemasonry about the year 1717 in London (see MASONRY).
  This widespread oath-bound association soon became the exemplar or the parent of numerous other fraternities,
  nearly all of which have some connexion with Freemasonry, and in almost every instance were founded by Masons.
  Among these may be mentioned the Illuminati, the Carbonari, the Odd-Fellows, the Knights of Pythias, the Sons of
  Temperance and similar societies whose number is legion. Based on the same principles as the secret order to which
  they are affiliated are the women-auxiliary lodges, of which almost every secret society has at least one. These secret
  societies for women have also their rituals, their oaths, and their degrees. Institutions of learning are also infected with
  the glamour of secret organizations and the "Eleusis" of Chi Omega (Fayetteville, Ark.) of 1 June, 1900, states that
  there are twenty-four Greek letter societies with seven hundred and sixty-eight branches for male students, and eight
  similar societies with one hundred and twenty branches for female students, and a total membership of 142,456 in the
  higher institutions of learning in the United States.

Due to their nature, the Catholic Church has issued clear and consistent condemnations agaisnt such societies, as detailed later in the same article:

• V. THE SOCIETIES FORBIDDEN
  The extension of the decrees of the Apostolic See in regard to societies hitherto forbidden under censure is summed up in the well-known Constitution "Apostolicae Sedis" of Pius IX, where excommunication is pronounced against those "who give their names to the sect of the masons or Carbonari or any other sects of the same nature, which conspire against the Church or lawfully constituted Governments, either openly or covertly, as well as those who favor in any manner these sects or who do not denounce their leaders and chiefs." The condemned societies here described are associations formed to antagonize the Church or the lawful civil power. A society to be of the same kind as the Masonic, must also be a secret organization. It is of no consequence whether the society demand an oath to observe its secrets or not. It is plain also that public and avowed attacks on Church or State are quite compatible with a secret organization. It must not supposed, however, that only societies which fall directly under the formal censure of the Church are prohibited. The Congregation of the Holy Office issued an instruction on 10 May, 1884, in which it says: "That there maybe no possibility of error when there is a question of judging which of these pernicious societies fall under censure or mere prohibition, it is certain in the first place, that the Masonic and other sects of the same nature are excommunicated, whether they exact or do not exact an oath from their members to observe secrecy. Besides these, there are other prohibited societies, to be avoided under grave sin, and among which are especially to be noted those which under oath, communicate a secret to their members to be concealed from everybody else, and which demand absolute obedience to unknown leaders." To the secret societies condemned by name, the Congregation of the Holy Office, on 20 Aug., 1894, in a Decree addressed to the hierarchy of the United States, added the Odd-Fellows, the Sons of Temperance, and the Knights of Pythias.