"The Pacific" from the makers of "Band of Brothers"

[korg17]

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you can see na grabe dyud ang conditions na na experience sa mga marines in the pacific compared sa army sa europe.

[rodsky]

you can see na grabe dyud ang conditions na na experience sa mga marines in the pacific compared sa army sa europe.

If the rain and mud conditions of places like Gloucester or Rabaul are miserable, what about the to-the-bone freezing conditions of Bastogne or Foy?

Apples and oranges, IMHO.

-RODION

[salbahis]

If the rain and mud conditions of places like Gloucester or Rabaul are miserable, what about the to-the-bone freezing conditions of Bastogne or Foy?

Apples and oranges, IMHO.

-RODION

atleast in europe you can avoid frostbite and hypothermia by keeping yourself warm but here in pacific it's malaria and beriberi is you real enemy... so mas bintaha tong naa sa europe...

[rodsky]

atleast in europe you can avoid frostbite and hypothermia by keeping yourself warm but here in pacific it's malaria and beriberi is you real enemy... so mas bintaha tong naa sa europe...

You're forgetting what winter did to the Wehrmacht in Barbarossa.

"A paper published by the U.S. Army's Combat Studies Institute in 1981 concluded that Hitler's plans miscarried before the onset of severe winter weather. He was so confident of quick victory that he did not prepare for even the chance of winter warfare in the Soviet Union. Nonetheless, his eastern army suffered more than 734,000 casualties (about 23 percent of its average strength of 3,200,000 troops) in the first five months of the invasion, and on 27 November 1941, General Eduard Wagner, Quartermaster General of the German Army, reported "We are at the end of our resources in both personnel and material. We are about to be confronted with the dangers of deep winter."[99]

The German forces were unready to deal with harsh weather and the poor road network of the USSR. In autumn, terrain slowed the Wehrmacht's progress. Few roads were paved. The ground in the USSR was very loose sand in summer, sticky muck in autumn, and heavy snow in winter. German tanks had narrow treads with little traction and poor flotation in mud. In contrast, the new generation of Soviet tanks such as the T-34 and KV had wider tracks and were far more mobile in these conditions. The 600,000 large western European horses the Germans used for supply and artillery movement did not cope well with this weather. The smaller horses the Red Army used were much better adapted to the climate and could even scrape the icy ground with their hooves to dig up the weeds beneath.

German troops were mostly unprepared for the harsh weather changes in the autumn and winter of 1941. Equipment had been prepared for such winter conditions, but the severely overstrained transport network could not move it to the front. Consequently, the troops lacked adequate cold-weather gear, and some soldiers had to pack newspapers into their jackets to stay warm while temperatures dropped to below -30 °C (-22 °F). While at least some cold weather uniforms were available, they rarely reached the Eastern Front because Hitler ordered that supply lines give more priority to shipments of ammunition and fuel. To operate furnaces and heaters, the Germans also burned precious fuel that was in short supply. Soviet soldiers, in contrast, often had warm, quilted uniforms, felt-lined boots, and fur hats.

German weapons malfunctioned in the cold. Lubricating oils were unsuitable for these temperatures, leading to engine malfunction and misfiring weapons. To load shells into a tank’s main gun, frozen grease had to be chipped off with a knife. Soviet units faced less severe problems due to their experience with cold weather. Aircraft had insulating blankets to keep their engines warm while parked. Lighter-weight oil was used. German tanks and armored vehicles could not move due to a lack of antifreeze, causing fuel to solidify.

A common myth is that the combination of deep mud, followed by snow, stopped all military movement in the harsh Russian winter. In fact, military operations were slowed by these factors, but much more so on the German side. The Soviet December 1941 counteroffensive advanced up to 100 miles (160 km) in some sectors, showing that mobile warfare was still possible in the Russian winter.

When the severe winter began, Hitler feared a repetition of Napoleon's disastrous retreat from Moscow. He ordered the German forces to hold their ground defiantly in the face of Soviet counterattacks. This became known as the "stand or die" order. It prevented the Germans from being routed, but led to heavy casualties from battle and cold."

Again, apples and oranges.

Some hate it hot? Well, some hate it cold too.

The only sure thing? War (any war for that matter) is hell.

-RODION

[Tarmac]

You're forgetting what winter did to the Wehrmacht in Barbarossa.

-RODION

General Winter has come to Rodina's rescue at least a couple of times.

So we've talked about the sweltering heat of the tropics and the freezing cold of Eastern Europe. How about the desert? Oppressively hot in daytime, freezing cold at night. The worst of both worlds.

[jiggyg]

available naba ni? pwede nani madownload?

[KE-25]

Speaking of deserts, it may be too early to tell ... but wondering if Hanks and Spielberg were to make another 10 part series , do you guys think the desert scene would be next ... During Rommel and Montgomery's campaign ... just a thought...

[rodsky]

Speaking of deserts, it may be too early to tell ... but wondering if Hanks and Spielberg were to make another 10 part series , do you guys think the desert scene would be next ... During Rommel and Montgomery's campaign ... just a thought...

I'd rather have a miniseries that focuses more on the war in the air (plus naval aviation), if only for variety. Lots of great WW2 combat aviation stories out there, from Boyington to the USS Yorktown.

-RODION

[Tarmac]

I'd rather have a miniseries that focuses more on the war in the air (plus naval aviation), if only for variety. Lots of great WW2 combat aviation stories out there, from Boyington to the USS Yorktown.

-RODION

It'll have to be a big-budget thing. Those warbirds are getting more and more scarce. And for purists, it won't do to be flying the wrong version of a plane for a certain time frame.

[rodsky]

It'll have to be a big-budget thing. Those warbirds are getting more and more scarce. And for purists, it won't do to be flying the wrong version of a plane for a certain time frame.

Ang CGI is just getting more and more real. Just a few years ago, a film like Avatar would have been impossible to do. One day, we would never be able to distinguish an authentic P-47 Thunderbolt from a CGI one on a large HDTV screen. I think a made-for-TV production involving combat aircraft from WW2 would benefit highly from the community of combat flight simulation fans and plastic scale modellers out there on the web, if only for historical accuracy and bringing the budget down in terms of research etc.

I remember the Corsairs pounding Iwo Jima in Eastwood's back-to-back films "Flags of our Fathers" and "Letters from Iwo Jima"...they looked convincing enough (I believe most of the scenes used CGI Corsairs). And going back to those movies, the pilots weren't even seen in them--all you saw was a view from the Corsair 'pit as they strafed and bombed Mount Suribachi.

-RODION