Philippine Airforce - One of the weakest in the world

[cdburgh]

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part!! dont take it literally.. mag katawa man sad ta nimo.. hahahahah...... DREAM BIG rana ang meaning ana...

ayaw na usik-usik explain sa literally kay murag wala ka kasabot sa context.
pagmata, ayaw sige dream kay that will never happen. mukaging na lang ka ug dream dream, bisan bangungot pa - walay mahitabo. lol

Be realistic.

[RedbaroN]

were weak because we think were weak. mind over matter raman nah.

Exactly! If we want to become a super power then we should stop acting like a b*tch. The mindset of every Filipinos today makes me sick. We lack good leadership and discipline. That is why our economy, power and security is in total chaos. Plus, we dream about purchasing those weaponry? why don't we use the budget for making factories and getting our fellow people a job so that they can have a better life.

[YellowSubmarine]

Exactly! If we want to become a super power then we should stop acting like a b*tch. The mindset of every Filipinos today makes me sick. We lack good leadership and discipline. That is why our economy, power and security is in total chaos. Plus, we dream about purchasing those weaponry? why don't we use the budget for making factories and getting our fellow people a job so that they can have a better life.

because there's no budget for making factories. AFP budget is one of the lowest in the world. It's barely enough for maintenance and a little "capability upgrade".

dako sad kau na kinahanglang wawart oi. Knowledge pud di lang wawarts.

[bangonkali]

pero para sa akoa. the only way to become a superpower is to become an economic stronghold. look at america, they didn't become a superpower in the first place because they have the big guns. they became a super power because they developed a stable economy. and that was because of their independent isolationist policy before. after acquiring so much surplus that's when they thought of colonization, and thus they then acquired big guns.

however, today, it is quite difficult to become a super power, because, the american's already got ahead. even the brits are having problems keeping up. and the russians are having problems with their economy. even though America is having economic problems there is no doubt they're still the leading economy. the americans will do everything they can to keep this power only to themselves.

why do u think china is keeping a very isolationist, independent and closed economy, it's because to avoid creating dependencies on foreign markets and alike. they don't want to get tied with the western market because if they do, their economy will be under so much influence to western markets, and thus the west will have a certain control on them. that's what iran and north korea are also doing. and what they're doing is hard. they're sacrificing today for what they believe will be a brighter tomorrow.

and for japan, singapore, south korea and hongkong, you should know that these countries are significantly tied with western markets. if there's a war (which is impossible for today's market situation), these countries need american support or russian support. why? just look at the weapons they have, it's all american or russian made. so technically, who'll get rich when there's war? the americans and the russians still! so basically, what china, iran, north korea are doing is exactly the same thing AMERICA did before they became a super power, being independent and isolationist.

so why i'm blabbering all these? i want to point out. that if we want to become like america, then we have to rethink our methods. what we are doing today is not the right thing to do to become a super power. maybe this way we'll be like japan, hongkong or south korea in the future, but not like america. and by that time, there is a great possiblity that countries like japan will level with america through market influence. even today, japan is already becoming a huge economic power. and they can use this influence to their interests. however, that'll be difficult because basically, that's against American interests.

remember guys, everything you do, if it's against the interests of america will become a threat to their national security. other countries becoming a super power is against their interest.

so finally, here's the final point: every time u modernize your army, someone out there is getting a little bit richer.

[RedbaroN]

Yep, I agree. The only way to increase their production and economy is to wage war or supply a country that needs war. Remember before WWII where America is so d*mn poor and yet after WWII they got rich almost in an instant. When there's war, every man power and factories available across every corner of the nation moves like a cogwheel to follow up the increase of demand. Remember the movie "Lord of War" where they speculate that 30% of America's economic boost is by selling arms to other nation. I know it's just Hollywood but there's a truth behind it.

[bangonkali]

i just read this from reuters, and i think it's quite interesting, and it's also largely related to my previous post about the reliance of nations such as japan, south Korea and Singapore to western economy. here's the quote:

Initial speculation that North Korea might have sunk the vessel spooked Wall Street when news first broke last week. Share prices dipped partly on geopolitical concerns of escalating conflict between the rival Koreas, and the won dropped against the dollar.

this was about the news from south korea that one of its 1,200 navy war ship sunk mysteriously near the border with north. the link is here. and here's the link for the exclusive news about the ships sinking from bbc.

[Tarmac]

so why i'm blabbering all these? i want to point out. that if we want to become like america, then we have to rethink our methods. what we are doing today is not the right thing to do to become a super power. maybe this way we'll be like japan, hongkong or south korea in the future, but not like america. and by that time, there is a great possiblity that countries like japan will level with america through market influence. even today, japan is already becoming a huge economic power. and they can use this influence to their interests. however, that'll be difficult because basically, that's against American interests.

remember guys, everything you do, if it's against the interests of america will become a threat to their national security. other countries becoming a super power is against their interest.

so finally, here's the final point: every time u modernize your army, someone out there is getting a little bit richer.

All this talk about becoming a superpower is pointless. Especially when we have yet to solve a problem as basic as giving each and every Filipino three square meals a day. All this talk about sexy military hardware is pointless too, when one fundamental cause of insurgency or banditry (in the case of Abu Sayyaf) is the lack of decent, sustainable livelihood in the countryside.

A superpower is a superpower because it has the ability to project military might in the farthest corners of the world. We can't even project meager military assets into the deepest recesses of the southern Mindanao jungles.

[bangonkali]

All this talk about becoming a superpower is pointless. Especially when we have yet to solve a problem as basic as giving each and every Filipino three square meals a day. All this talk about sexy military hardware is pointless too, when one fundamental cause of insurgency or banditry (in the case of Abu Sayyaf) is the lack of decent, sustainable livelihood in the countryside.

A superpower is a superpower because it has the ability to project military might in the farthest corners of the world. We can't even project meager military assets into the deepest recesses of the southern Mindanao jungles.

Dude you're right being a super power is not important. But let me stress this if you want food for your family in a real capitalist (non socialist/communist) environment you get it on your own. it's not the governments responsibility. look at japan, singapore, uk, america (this time i'm not referring to superpowers) only people who work hard live on those countries. even japan, it has one of the most expensive standards of living. do you think an average filipino today can survive there, yes maybe, but it'll be hard. just look at all the ofw's, they're working extra hard, and people left in the country are doing less (they may do even work, but they are paid less, so to sum it up, they still do less).

and you cannot say "solve a problem as basic as giving each and every Filipino three square meals a day", grow up! that is not the problem! if you want to solve it, you got to teach every Filipino to get their own three square meals a day. in a capitalist environment, it's natural selection! only the fittest survive. that's what's wrong with the capitalist environment. and look where we learned that from, none other than the country who tutored us a few years back on how to run a government (read history books), USA dude! and our education, look at it. we are taught on how to find jobs, do jobs, work hard, just to fuel this capitalist economy. and who do you think gets richer dude! it's none other than the country who designed our educational and government system, AMERICA!

have you ever thought why it is against their constitution that other communist state exist?! that's because that's the only government system which has the capacity to equally challenge their existence. they're even scared of socialist system! hell they don't want other system's to exist without ever gaining money from them. and let me stress again, it was included in my previous post the it was economic stronghold that is required to maintain superiority, not necessarily the "ability to project military might in the farthest corners of the world."

look at all democracies on the world, south korea, japan, singapore, the EU and even india. they're all systematically interrelated so that the west becomes richer, and for that not necessarily the west, but the fittest (the rich already in that case), and those who strive (zero to rich people), in short the most capitalist among the people are those who get the most from this system. even the justice system are designed for the advantage of the capitalist. dude, you can only solve poverty (which i hope what you mean) by teaching people how capitalism works and take advantage of it, unless you take on a socialist or a communist system, where everybody gets even.

and that's why i said in my previous post: "that's what iran and north korea are also doing. and what they're doing is hard. they're sacrificing today for what they believe will be a brighter tomorrow". they're trying their best dude. to grow, not just to become a superpower, but to make a system, where everyone living in their country gets a piece of the cake. in the Philippine capitalist system, we will only become like Japan, singapore, etc... were only the well off get to live well.

we are lucky that we have internet, and all this other commodities, but there are a lot of Filipinos out their, especially here in Mindanao, alot of Muslim and Lumad who were not originally accustomed to the capitalist system who are having a hard time living today. i know a lot of them, and it hurts to see that only the capitalist get served her in the Philippines. and i know you have a piece of experience about that. go to malls, and make sure you look poor, sit beside a richly groomed person, who do you think gets served first? that's just basic example. and this same thing happens to every capitalist nation in the world.

what you're pointing out are ideal problems, not practical, "you're not going to solve poverty in a capitalist environment your worsening it." anyway, there is a trick though in eliminating poverty, and it's quite harsh. it happened in japan, the US (but not entirely). Japan did not eliminate poverty, they eliminated the poor! how can poor people live in Japan! look at the decrease in their population dude! it only shows that only the capitalist and the hard working survived, the rest got eliminated (they didn't kill them though, they died along the way). in the US, before they occupied America, they killed a lot Indians. that was obvious, why? they should kill people who are not used to the system they'll be using, because they'll just become a pain in the ass for everybody. however, until today, it remains a fact, that in every nation, only a capitalist mentality will survive. look at the gap of the rich and the poor in every capitalist country.

i'm not suggesting we become a communist country here. (that will certainly hurt a lot capitalists in the country. and i personally claim, it will hurt me too, sharing the same mentality). my only point here is solving poverty is an ideal problem. if you're a capitalist, you your self will know why we need working people (who work hard while getting little salary). finally dude, welcome to the capitalist world. get real! and one last thing, why do you think MILF and ABUSAYAF existed in the first place? it's the same thing dude, they lost to the capitalist, and now they're fighting back. and the thing you said about "We can't even project meager military assets into the deepest recesses of the southern Mindanao jungles.", these insurgents wouldn't be too happy to here that either.

but i personally prefer among many others a capitalist environment which is more like the western way, because that was how i was educated. perhaps like japan, low population, more money for each and everyone, which basically means three square meals a day, and less insurgencies, and one last thing, extra money to cover costs for homeland defense. however, you should realize, a lot of people will have harder time that way and a lot more will die (of the most extreme cases of poverty) along the way. however, isn't that worth it for a brighter future?

[Tarmac]

Dude you're right being a super power is not important. But let me stress this if you want food for your family in a real capitalist (non socialist/communist) environment you get it on your own. it's not the governments responsibility. look at japan, singapore, uk, america (this time i'm not referring to superpowers) only people who work hard live on those countries. even japan, it has one of the most expensive standards of living. do you think an average filipino today can survive there, yes maybe, but it'll be hard. just look at all the ofw's, they're working extra hard, and people left in the country are doing less (they may do even work, but they are paid less, so to sum it up, they still do less).

and you cannot say "solve a problem as basic as giving each and every Filipino three square meals a day", grow up! that is not the problem! if you want to solve it, you got to teach every Filipino to get their own three square meals a day. in a capitalist environment, it's natural selection! only the fittest survive. that's what's wrong with the capitalist environment. and look where we learned that from, none other than the country who tutored us a few years back on how to run a government (read history books), USA dude! and our education, look at it. we are taught on how to find jobs, do jobs, work hard, just to fuel this capitalist economy. and who do you think gets richer dude! it's none other than the country who designed our educational and government system, AMERICA!

have you ever thought why it is against their constitution that other communist state exist?! that's because that's the only government system which has the capacity to equally challenge their existence. they're even scared of socialist system! hell they don't want other system's to exist without ever gaining money from them. and let me stress again, it was included in my previous post the it was economic stronghold that is required to maintain superiority, not necessarily the "ability to project military might in the farthest corners of the world."

look at all democracies on the world, south korea, japan, singapore, the EU and even india. they're all systematically interrelated so that the west becomes richer, and for that not necessarily the west, but the fittest (the rich already in that case), and those who strive (zero to rich people), in short the most capitalist among the people are those who get the most from this system. even the justice system are designed for the advantage of the capitalist. dude, you can only solve poverty (which i hope what you mean) by teaching people how capitalism works and take advantage of it, unless you take on a socialist or a communist system, where everybody gets even.

and that's why i said in my previous post: "that's what iran and north korea are also doing. and what they're doing is hard. they're sacrificing today for what they believe will be a brighter tomorrow". they're trying their best dude. to grow, not just to become a superpower, but to make a system, where everyone living in their country gets a piece of the cake. in the Philippine capitalist system, we will only become like Japan, singapore, etc... were only the well off get to live well.

we are lucky that we have internet, and all this other commodities, but there are a lot of Filipinos out their, especially here in Mindanao, alot of Muslim and Lumad who were not originally accustomed to the capitalist system who are having a hard time living today. i know a lot of them, and it hurts to see that only the capitalist get served her in the Philippines. and i know you have a piece of experience about that. go to malls, and make sure you look poor, sit beside a richly groomed person, who do you think gets served first? that's just basic example. and this same thing happens to every capitalist nation in the world.

what you're pointing out are ideal problems, not practical, "you're not going to solve poverty in a capitalist environment your worsening it." anyway, there is a trick though in eliminating poverty, and it's quite harsh. it happened in japan, the US (but not entirely). Japan did not eliminate poverty, they eliminated the poor! how can poor people live in Japan! look at the decrease in their population dude! it only shows that only the capitalist and the hard working survived, the rest got eliminated (they didn't kill them though, they died along the way). in the US, before they occupied America, they killed a lot Indians. that was obvious, why? they should kill people who are not used to the system they'll be using, because they'll just become a pain in the ass for everybody. however, until today, it remains a fact, that in every nation, only a capitalist mentality will survive. look at the gap of the rich and the poor in every capitalist country.

i'm not suggesting we become a communist country here. (that will certainly hurt a lot capitalists in the country. and i personally claim, it will hurt me too, sharing the same mentality). my only point here is solving poverty is an ideal problem. if you're a capitalist, you your self will know why we need working people (who work hard while getting little salary). finally dude, welcome to the capitalist world. get real! and one last thing, why do you think MILF and ABUSAYAF existed in the first place? it's the same thing dude, they lost to the capitalist, and now they're fighting back. and the thing you said about "We can't even project meager military assets into the deepest recesses of the southern Mindanao jungles.", these insurgents wouldn't be too happy to here that either.

but i personally prefer among many others a capitalist environment which is more like the western way, because that was how i was educated. perhaps like japan, low population, more money for each and everyone, which basically means three square meals a day, and less insurgencies, and one last thing, extra money to cover costs for homeland defense. however, you should realize, a lot of people will have harder time that way and a lot more will die (of the most extreme cases of poverty) along the way. however, isn't that worth it for a brighter future?

I don't claim to know the answer to our country's ills. We can start a thread elsewhere and talk about it until the cows come home. There are existing threads about poverty, you can go there too and point out the systemic flaws in our economy to your heart's content.

And yes, I'm grown up and run a business that is doing okay, so I know what capitalism is all about. I pay my taxes. I am also involved in poverty alleviation programs among the very lumad in Mindanao you talked about, so yes, I know we need to teach people not only about getting three square meals a day but even better, giving them opportunities and a chance at decent and sustainable livelihood. I know what it means to give back. Most importantly, I'm doing my share. I hope you are, too.

BUT... the thread is about the Philippine Air Force so I'd rather discuss that.

[hulagway]

ayaw mo pg ingon ana..naa nay mga upgrades nga naka latag na para sa ato armed forces and thats includes PAF.naa na sa news...so seat back and relax..its all just a matter of time....never underestimate our air force..they for sure can fight back if the need arise...relax lang gud...