About the PUP Protesters

[missingyouso]

tapulan? how judgmental! you dont even know them. ang imo rang nakita kay nag-rally sila unya nangsunog ug guba nga mga desks and chairs. unya makasulti na ka nga tapulan sila? kanang mga taw nga nakit-an nimo nga nanarbaho sa fast-food chain, basin mga taga-PUP ang uban ana, nya mao nay tapulan? mga working students ni sila, poor students striving to graduate and succeed in a world where pagkataw pa lang daan nila financially disabled na sila. again, be careful what you say here, d ta pataka ug accuse.

sayop diay mo-fight para makahuman ug skwela? take note nga gibuhat na nila tanan nga diplomatic means (through talks and letters) to counter the tuition increase, pero wala paminawa. karon nga nagkagubot na gyud, anha pa nakapuliki ug review ang CHED. so who asked for the violence?

sayon ra gyud kaayo mo-comment ug mo-criticize. i wonder, kung patas-an ug 2000% ang tuition fee sa inyong mga anak or igsoon karon, unsa man inyo buhaton? basin igo ra mo mangawt sa ulo ug mag-bagulbol, di siguro gyud mag-rally kay God forbid basin maapil mo sa violence that can result kung init na ang ulo. violence after all can take any form. it can be expressed through speech (shouting with profanities) or through action (destroying things or hurting people) or even manner (the look in the eyes, mura nag mopatay ug tinan-awan, or threatening behavior). basin moingon na lang nga "dawaton na lang kay mao man gyud ang kapalaran." but of course, kung dili madayon ang increase or ma-lessen ang increase, hallelujia! apil mo sa maka-benefit without any work on your part

[raski]

tapulan? how judgmental! you dont even know them. ang imo rang nakita kay nag-rally sila, unya makasulti na ka nga tapulan sila? kanang mga taw nga nakit-an nimo sa fast-food chain basin usa or duha ana taga-PUP, nya mao nay tapulan? again, be careful what you say here, d ta pataka ug accuse.

sayop diay mo-fight para makahuman ug skwela?

Tanawa ra ang pamaagi sa ilahang protest. Sayop jud ang pag FIGHT (emphasis added) for a college education. The correct statement should be to STRIVE for one in other words to work hard, sacrifice and endeavor ones best to attain what one desires.

And to the poster who asked where it says a college education is a right not a privilege it is provided by law itself the right to education covers only elementary to high school. College was NEVER meant to be a universal right and it isn't even in advanced countries like US or Japan where college students often have to work fulltime to support their studies and deal with 10% tuition increases annually.

The students at PUP though poor are simply 'ingrata' for demanding that taxpayers shoulder the bill through violence rather than requesting it nicely since they are asking the taxpayer to sacrifice more of our hardearned money for their benefit solely. Fight for education is an oxy*****ic jinggo because an education necessarily entails civility not barbarism which is what these students did when they resorted to arson and theft. And yes I am 100% sure I wouldnt do what these ingrate did because im not a barbaric savage. I would get a second job or do overtime and persevere through my own efforts rather than rely on taxpayers to pay for my education and my benefit. That is because I prefer to be a human being rather than a parasite.. But thats just me.

[missingyouso]

Tanawa ra ang pamaagi sa ilahang protest. Sayop jud ang pag FIGHT (emphasis added) for a college education. The correct statement should be to STRIVE for one in other words to work hard, sacrifice and endeavor ones best to attain what one desires.

when you are faced with so many hurdles just to achieve a goal, then you better learn to fight. Don't you think Merriam's definition number 2 of fight applies in this case? Strive'sokay too, but well, in this particular scenario, i think fight is the more powerful word.

According to Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Fight
intransitive verb
1 a : to contend in battle or physical combat; especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons b : to engage in boxing
2 : to put forth a determined effort

Strive

1 : to devote serious effort or energy : endeavor <strive to finish a project>
2 : to struggle in opposition : contend synonyms see attempt

[raski]

Ok ra if definition 2 sa fight and imong gipasabot but setting chairs on fire and risking the lives of others through violence is barbaric behavior. There will always be hurdles to a college education it is a special privilege not a right as I said before. It is something special that one has to work really hard for some
more than others but thats life. I wouldnt even mind having more of my tax to support education but these protesters dont even recognize the benevolence of the taxpayer in funding their
schooling their supporters even have the gall to say they dont need taxpayer help or money as if the state funda that support operation of their school
materialized from thin air. Thats why i say ingrata! You want something asknl nicely and prepared to be turned down kay dili na kuwarta nila intawon no! Kuwarta na sa taxpayers many of whom ate also struggling in life in addition to supporting these ingrates!!!

[raski]

And mao lagi nasad ni kung pobre lagi ka u have the right to fight and violate laws kay pobre lagi kingahanlan special treatment. A society like that will never succeed! Mao na pobre ang pilipinas kay walay respeto sa balaod magsige lang jud pangita ug rason ngano maexempt! Without the law there is only chaos in chaos anarchy and with anarchy a complete breakdown and descent to barbarism.

Protest lang kung gusto mo thats their right but respect the law! College educated man kaha then you should know simple concepts such as nobody is above the law not even the poor and irrespective of any justifications they may have disrespect for the law is unacceptable!

[elvandesantos]

And mao lagi nasad ni kung pobre lagi ka u have the right to fight and violate laws kay pobre lagi kingahanlan special treatment. A society like that will never succeed! Mao na pobre ang pilipinas kay walay respeto sa balaod magsige lang jud pangita ug rason ngano maexempt! Without the law there is only chaos in chaos anarchy and with anarchy a complete breakdown and descent to barbarism.

Protest lang kung gusto mo thats their right but respect the law! College educated man kaha then you should know simple concepts such as nobody is above the law not even the poor and irrespective of any justifications they may have disrespect for the law is unacceptable!

sakto gyud kaau ka bro!

[missingyouso]

sadly, rallies have always been tainted with barbaric behavior. dead bodies were put on the entrance of the Department of Foreign Affairs to show how the department has not helped this ex-OFW while being abused abroad resulting to his death. crowds in Mendiola protesting various issues stoned government police while these officers threaten them with batuta and hosed them with water. various freedom fighters all over the world fought any they can. Gandhi, along with thousands of sympathizers, resorted to hunger strikes. why, even Tibetan monks, the very soul of patience and perseverance, were moved to fight.

fighting enables them to prove a point, to shout injustice, and to call for change. there was even an old proverb: "the worm will turn when trodden upon" meaning the meekest among us will fight back when provoked. the concerns may be different, but throughout history, people's response under desperate times have always been the same. they will do all they can to be heard. i dont think they're expecting special treatment just because they're poor, they're fighting because that's the only thing they can do to make people see their side.

Why are we so surprised that they fought back? they may have felt this kind of violence is the only resort. after all, they did try all other peaceful means to get their point across. also, why do we deny our barbaric side? being human is being barbaric given the right circumstance. and pleassseeeeeeeee, again, these students, their parents, their families are taxpayers too!

[raski]

sadly, rallies have always been tainted with barbaric behavior. dead bodies were put on the entrance of the Department of Foreign Affairs to show how the department has not helped this ex-OFW while being abused abroad resulting to his death. crowds in Mendiola protesting various issues stoned government police while these officers threaten them with batuta and hosed them with water. various freedom fighters all over the world fought any they can. Gandhi, along with thousands of sympathizers, resorted to hunger strikes. why, even Tibetan monks, the very soul of patience and perseverance, were moved to fight.

fighting enables them to prove a point, to shout injustice, and to call for change. there was even an old proverb: "the worm will turn when trodden upon" meaning the meekest among us will fight back when provoked. the concerns may be different, but throughout history, people's response under desperate times have always been the same. they will do all they can to be heard. i dont think they're expecting special treatment just because they're poor, they're fighting because that's the only thing they can do to make people see their side.

Why are we so surprised that they fought back? they may have felt this kind of violence is the only resort. after all, they did try all other peaceful means to get their point across. also, why do we deny our barbaric side? being human is being barbaric given the right circumstance. and pleassseeeeeeeee, again, these students, their parents, their families are taxpayers too!

So what? They represent a very tiny, tiny portion of all taxpayers. The fact is that the funds supporting this school come from ALL taxpayers as an entity. It is not enough that the very small proportion of these taxpayers, because you ostensibly say they are taxpayers too, approve of the acts coincidentally because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAPPEN TO BENEFIT. Isn't that convenient? How about the rest of the taxpayers? Di bale nalang kay pobre lagi? Ana nasad? Grabeha gud no! Sorry but that's ungrateful bullshit if that's what they want to imply!

Also you mention Gandhi in the same breath as these protesters. Wow, unbelievable. Gandhi believed in non-violent protest and NEVER espoused breaking the law and committing criminal offenses. It's almost the complete opposite of what these PUP students did. I know you are hell-bent on putting these protesters in a good light, but please do not defecate on the names of great people by equating their actions. No situation ever warrants what these students do, I don't give a damn the reasons why they did it, it doesn't matter. The law is the law and nobody is above it, not even by "virtue" of poverty. No excuses.

[missingyouso]

So what? They represent a very tiny, tiny portion of all taxpayers. The fact is that the funds supporting this school come from ALL taxpayers as an entity. It is not enough that the very small proportion of these taxpayers, because you ostensibly say they are taxpayers too, approve of the acts coincidentally because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAPPEN TO BENEFIT. Isn't that convenient? How about the rest of the taxpayers? Di bale nalang kay pobre lagi? Ana nasad? Grabeha gud no! Sorry but that's ungrateful bullshit if that's what they want to imply!

if you are saying that these students and their families represent a very tiny portion of all taxpayers, then isnt it also logical to say that your tax represent a very tiny, tiny portion in the PUP yearly funding too, that is if your tax is even there. after all, your tax no matter how big can't be evenly distributed among the many expenditures that taxes are applied to. and if you refer to taxpayers as an entity, then why does it matter if these studs and their families represent a tiny portion of taxpayers since they are part of that entity. your taxes may have paid for the road that you drive on every day (so you benefit from your taxes, not them), and not to the schools that poor people go to. and really, you are discounting the taxes of the 36,800,000 (40% of the pop, maybe even more, since the poverty line is ridiculously low: they say that officially, only people getting less than $1.25/day are poor) poor people in the Philippines who pay VAT, income tax, and other taxes every year who may be or may have been studying in state-subsidized schools.

Also you mention Gandhi in the same breath as these protesters. Wow, unbelievable. Gandhi believed in non-violent protest and NEVER espoused breaking the law and committing criminal offenses. It's almost the complete opposite of what these PUP students did.

i mentioned Gandhi in the same breath with barbaric behavior, mister! not eating for days, weeks, how much more a month, is barbaric behavior for me. it's bizarre! its primitive! and really, why complain if i mention Gandhi together with other protesters, wasn't he protesting too? the means are different but the purpose is the same (which is to be heard), and didnt you see the movie where the government police beat those Gandhi sympathizers, some of them even to death. the violence just came from the other side of the fence, thats all.

I know you are hell-bent on putting these protesters in a good light, but please do not defecate on the names of great people by equating their actions. No situation ever warrants what these students do, I don't give a damn the reasons why they did it, it doesn't matter. The law is the law and nobody is above it, not even by "virtue" of poverty. No excuses.

you dont care why they protested, just that they follow the law? and what if the law does not favor them, should they still follow the law? if they have to answer for their actions, then so be it, but as you can see, they let the 5 students go. that is the law speaking! the law seems to see what you can't see. if they did not do what they did, would CHED have reviewed and decided that the 2000% increase is in fact unreasonable?

[raski]

Taxpayers as an ENTITY. Yes, the taxpayers who are 1) not PUP students or 2) their parents or supporters, encompass a very large portion of taxpayers to whom these students need to be grateful. However small my portion is, the fact of the matter is the proportion of PUP students who are taxpayers pales in comparison to the number of taxpayers who are not PUP students. It is disingenuous to say that because some PUP students are workers (and therefore also taxpayers) that they have a right to speak for all taxpayers in demanding that we pay more taxes to support their studies. The only way this assertion would make sense is if the PUP protestors demand that we increase the taxes only of the PUP working students. In which case, I would support that.

Yes, even if the law does not favor you, you should still follow it. That's what you call civilization. If people can be excused from the law whenever they feel like it doesn't "favor" them then society would break down into anarchy. Imagine if you told the robbers: OK lang if you rob the bank kay the anti-robbery law doesn't favor your criminal tendencies! Or if you told wife-beaters: OK lang if you beat your wife kay the Anti Abuse Against Women and Children Act is not favorable to you.

You do not leave the decision to the citizens whether or not you follow the law. It is not up to the students, you or me to decide what laws should be obeyed and what we can wantonly break and gain exemption from. Exempting people from responsibility for criminal actions by virtue of poverty is a slippery slope argument, because then you would have to excuse all criminal offenses done by poor people as they will just say "we did it because we are poor!" That is clearly untenable unless you are an NPA or communist rebel hellbent on destroying society.