The concept of "out of context"

[rodsky]

that's why we need to be specific.

and your sample, wala mo-igo..
lingual is different from analytical..

sorry for the correction sir..

we were taught english subjects since we're prep/kinder..
another sample would be fine.

Given: We cannot discuss things in the Science section of iStorya if we don't use language.

Since language has to be understood by everyone who wants to participate in the discussion, a common ground is needed, in this case, English.

It is not the fault of those who wish to discuss in English, if someone wants to join in, yet doesn't know English very well.

Since discussion and analysis requires language, you cannot separate the two--they go hand in hand--the medium of analysis is in effect, the common language of the people who are discussing the things they want to discuss.

You are incorrect.

-RODION

[joserizal]

can you swallow some pride sir?

if you're not OK with the term I use, it's fine.
and I'm fine with you using the term cheat.

well settle it. cheat = adaptation

clear?

if not. wa na koy mabuhat.

i'll just have to agree with you. and you're right.

[rodsky]

can you swallow some pride sir?

if you're not OK with the term I use, it's fine.
and I'm fine with you using the term cheat.

Really? You're fine with it? Then why, in one of your posts, you were actually short of ordering me to use "adaptation" instead of cheat...

adaptation is the right term. don't use cheat.

...and now you retract and say that "It's fine with me."? You don't even know where you stand.

well settle it. cheat = adaptation

clear?

if not. wa na koy mabuhat.

i'll just have to agree with you. and you're right.

So you're actually not willing to admit that you've committed the fallacy of going out of context when you wanted the word "cheat" to be equated with "adaptation" while referring to my post (when it's crystal clear how I used the term "cheat" as a non-literal device to explain how human beings adjust to their environment)? Admit this error that you committed here, to every reader in this section if iStorya.net, and you'll have your peace.

-RODION

[superkebot]

guilty ko ani... and i think it also has to do with with how our language is designed or have evolved.

daghan kaayo politicians style mo debate ani nga subforum. hehe

"it makes it almost impossible for us to talk to one another. We talk 'at' each other."

lols, that is because, science were used as politics... that is why there should be a correct intention with science against interest. Did you guys see the point. Theories are interest science is knowledge.

interest + science = politics

politics = common interest. dba mao mani objective?

@rod:

we always made have a problem with miscommunication and misinterpretation.

The objective of the board is to ISTORYA(HAN). We can discuss things so we could understand each other. The idea is not dictated by one interpretation, it is expounded by inputs that could be meaningful in its essence.

That is why if binary numbers does not make sense to someone, we need to give them idea, or example so he/she could understand the concept behind it.

Yes out of context happen, that is where you moderate the discussion. But hopefully we will not prevent others to share thier inputs and idea how to explain this very interesting section.

student: "I want to learn calculus."

Teacher: "Well, have you mastered Algebra?"

Student: "Um, no."

Teacher: "Then you can't participate in Calculus class..."

Student: "But why Just because I don't know algebra doesn't mean I don't have a right to know Calculus! I DEMAND to be taught calculus now!"

We use the English when discussing science because it is a universally accepted language of discourse

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i beg to differ rod. Language is no pre-requisite in science. Your example stated algebra and calculus, its a pre-requisite in nature.

if you say we discuss in English... lols d pede mag binisaya? It depends on the crowd u are addressing... CHINA WILL HAVE THIER OWN SCIENCE WETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.

[rodsky]

Ok first I will address issue #1, and this is your constant adding of a post when in fact you can just edit your last post and add your query/point there. Keep on doing that, and you shall receive an infraction.

Now on to Issue #2. The Chinese have been around since 7000 B.C. Ergo, their culture has matured enough to the point that when discussing issues pertaining to science and technology, they have developed their own terms and jargon to describe things of science and technology, using their own language and alphabet. Thus, it would be easy for them to discuss mathematics and science because they would have indigenous words for things such as "calculus" or "experimentation". Now, how old is the Cebuano/Visayan culture compared to the Chinese?

Now, let's see you try to discuss the Pythagorean theorem using Cebuano.

There is a a reason why English is the preferred medium in discussing these things in college or university--wala nag buot-buot ang mga teacher niani--it was done for a purpose, and that purpose is the finding of the common ground, so that there would be less difficulty for the instructors to teach what they are trying to teach.

-RODION

[joserizal]

japanese doesn't need english to make toyota.
they have to learn english to sell toyota.

that's it rodsky.

to ALL istoryans.

I was wrong. And I will be wrong.
Forgive me.

we always made have a problem with miscommunication and misinterpretation.

The objective of the board is to ISTORYA(HAN). We can discuss things so we could understand each other. The idea is not dictated by one interpretation, it is expounded by inputs that could be meaningful in its essence.

i beg to differ rod. Language is no pre-requisite in science. Your example stated algebra and calculus, its a pre-requisite in nature.

if you say we discuss in English... lols d pede mag binisaya? It depends on the crowd u are addressing... CHINA WILL HAVE THIER OWN SCIENCE WETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.

hahaha. good one kebs.
kebs understands.

we must be careful kebs.

OT

we have to take responsibilities.

[rodsky]

@joserizal, please do not post another entry right after your previous post--you can always edit your previous post to add a more recent addition to your idea/thoughts. If you keep doing thing, you shall receive and infraction.

-RODION

[joserizal]

ok, thanks for the edit sir. i'll just put double post when that will happen again.

There is a a reason why English is the preferred medium in discussing these things in college or university--wala nag buot-buot ang mga teacher niani--it was done for a purpose, and that purpose is the finding of the common ground, so that there would be less difficulty for the instructors to teach what they are trying to teach.

-RODION

A for an apple, why apple? we don't have apples growing here.
why not Abaka or Avocado?
it's political sir.

OT

[rodsky]

ok, thanks for the edit sir. i'll just put double post when that will happen again.

That method will not excuse you from receiving an infraction.

-RODION

[superkebot]

Ok first I will address issue #1, and this is your constant adding of a post when in fact you can just edit your last post and add your query/point there. Keep on doing that, and you shall receive an infraction.

Now on to Issue #2. The Chinese have been around since 7000 B.C. Ergo, their culture has matured enough to the point that when discussing issues pertaining to science and technology, they have developed their own terms and jargon to describe things of science and technology, using their own language and alphabet. Thus, it would be easy for them to discuss mathematics and science because they would have indigenous words for things such as "calculus" or "experimentation". Now, how old is the Cebuano/Visayan culture compared to the Chinese?

Now, let's see you try to discuss the Pythagorean theorem using Cebuano.

There is a a reason why English is the preferred medium in discussing these things in college or university--wala nag buot-buot ang mga teacher niani--it was done for a purpose, and that purpose is the finding of the common ground, so that there would be less difficulty for the instructors to teach what they are trying to teach.

-RODION

Now, how old is the Cebuano/Visayan culture compared to the Chinese?
--- this is not the issue rod. the issue here, is impossing english as the only medium of instructor.
--- how would you teach science in a community school? First they will have to study english, then they will have to study science? right? How would you explain eclipse to a boy?

My point rod is this. Language is a method/tool we can use to understand. We will use any kind of language to help our audience understand. it doesn't have to be ENGLISH.

Have you tried bisaya MATH? lols! you will die laughing and comprehending, that is why it doesn't have to stick into one instruction method. Point here is YOU SEND THE MESSAGE, HE RECIEVES THE MESSAGE CORRECTLY.