On Faith and Salvation

[iron_golem]

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ok so that's your point of view and it's mine basta in my opinion everyone has a chance for salvation so long as he believe in God and do good deeds...

I would agree to that, we're having the same opinion after all. It's just that we need to have as much knowledge as possible as to what kind of good deeds God wants.

so like if people don't believe in a christian is there a possibility nga ma save cla....

naa gyud. even if they don't know about God, but act in harmony with his conscience which by nature can only point to good, and that God sees that he is doing good and pleases Him, why not? Surely God's justice is perfect. The problem is, there are things God is not pleased about... like the worship of other false gods, the hurting of others, and the denial of truth.

We have intellects so that it will help us search for the truth. If we are happy with just what we have known, we are not fully using that gift. So that's why God acts in the hearts of men through His grace. He can enter a person in order for that person to search for the truth about God. That is why in Christianity, the person of Jesus is the ultimate manifestation of grace and love of God for all mankind. We learn about the truths as God himself in the person of Jesus taught us. No other religion outside of Christianity has that kind of truth living with them in their midst.

[noelkoi]

ok so that's your point of view and it's mine basta in my opinion everyone has a chance for salvation so long as he believe in God and do good deeds...so like if people don't believe in a christian is there a possibility nga ma save cla....

wrong again.... salvation is not a chance... its given ofr free for those who believes.

dili lagi good deeds ang mu save nimo doy. c CHRIST lang ang NI save nato.... tsk tsk

[filipinoako2000200]

Love other specially your enemy. Thats the golden rule.

[noelkoi]

Love other specially your enemy. Thats the golden rule.

ya right!!! mao na warned na ka .hehehe

[iron_golem]

ok so that's your point of view and it's mine basta in my opinion everyone has a chance for salvation so long as he believe in God and do good deeds...so like if people don't believe in a christian is there a possibility nga ma save cla....

wrong again.... salvation is not a chance... its given ofr free for those who believes.

dili lagi good deeds ang mu save nimo doy. c CHRIST lang ang NI save nato.... tsk tsk

@noelkoi, what about all the people who lived and died before Christ came? They are not saved right? Because they can't possible know about Christ. If you can't know something, how can you believe that something? So, all those people are not saved?!

[noelkoi]

@noelkoi, what about all the people who lived and died before Christ came? They are not saved right? Because they can't possible know about Christ. If you can't know something, how can you believe that something? So, all those people are not saved?!
good question bai iron... it is clearly stated sa John 3:16 "for GOD so loved the world....." pasabot ana ang tanang nia agi aing kalibutan before and after CHRIST is alrdy saved. di lang mu tuo ang uban and that the sad part about it.

[iron_golem]

good question bai iron... it is clearly stated sa John 3:16 "for GOD so loved the world....." pasabot ana ang tanang nia agi aing kalibutan before and after CHRIST is alrdy saved.

so you are saying bai nga
1) it doesn't matter what all the people who died before Christ did, because they are already saved. ALL those people who are murderers and rapists and adulterers, and blaspheme the name of the Holy One even at the time of their death are saved? why did God bother to give the 10 commandments if God knows that it really doesn't matter to people because following these commandments or not following these commandments only results in ALL being saved?

2) you said it takes one an act of faith (belief) in Jesus to be saved. And you said that tanan taw after Christ are already saved. This is contradictory. Because one can live without the knowledge of Christ, and thus cannot believe in Christ, but is STILL saved What happened to the requirement of belief in Christ

di lang mu tuo ang uban and that the sad part about it.

if I follow your logic, I will no longer be sad because all men after Christ are already saved! Why be sad about them?

[noelkoi]

bai sorry if youre getting confused.dba as i stated the scripture said "for God so loved the world. apil tanang mga killer ana. mga rappist. mga kawatan.He did not gave his Son Jesus Christ for nothing, but for all the people to be saved. kung mutuo ka nga maluwas ka pero as what uyou said lisud mutuo kung wa ka kaila sa Ginuo. mao nang imong gi ingon nga SEEK!

yes bai thats the SAD part about it. a lot of people would still crucify them selves para penitensya daw or mag way of the cross para mapasaylo sa ilang sala. doy napasaylo na ta sa Ginuo. hagbay ra. Again,,,, when He died on the cross, all our sins are washed away. and this is not my logic. its my faith.

[iron_golem]

bai @noelkoi, i'm not at all confused. I just couldn't reconcile what you're trying to say about the requirement of "believe in Jesus" to that of the certainty of the "All are already saved." As I've tried to illustrate, I don't have to believe in anything, in God, I could do what I want without fear of any consequence because "all men are already saved" whether they like it or not. Please state clearly, if you will, why 1) belief in Jesus matters if 2) all men are already saved.

What if I choose not to be saved? Jesus saves me even if I don't wish to? That will be a violation of freewill! God cannot act against freewill! It has to be our choice!

I can jump out the window and die instantly to shortcut my way to heaven because I'm sure I'm saved. Why are people who believe this still here?

If all men are saved, why did Jesus constantly warn us about hell? If all men are saved, therefore there is no hell. There would only be heaven were all men eventually go to regardless of what they did during life. But there is indeed hell. And we know that from the bible: A place of torment – Luke 16:19-31, Everlasting punishment – Matthew 25:46

In any case, let "all are already saved" be your belief, but so far I beg to disagree.

[noelkoi]

bai i never mentioned " all are already saved" bai.(chek my posting properly)
what i said if sa mga mutuo lang. read my post clearly bai.

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[g]

klaro kayu doy, God died for the world, pasabot ana is para natong tanan. but para lang sa mga mutuo ang salvation kay ni ingon man si aposol John " whoever believes in him".

and if you choose not to be saved then thats your logic. tinuod God cannot act against it coz God loves you so much that he gave you your brain para unta mutuo niya, so please use it wisely

yes you can jump out form the window anytime but its not short cut to heaven.. analyza daw bai? asa mana dabit sa Bible gibutang nang logica this is not about LOGIC bai.

why are people who believe still here? basaha sa revelation bai.

and you know why Jesus constanly warn us about hell its because we love earthly things

basaha sa John 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."[h]