Religion, Rome and The Reich: The Vatican's other dirty secret

[Carlo Borromeo]

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Hey, props to the moves of Vatican II and more importantly, the steps taken by Pope John Paul II. Very admirable, considering that an official statement or apology was not THAT necessary.

Like I said in a previous post, it's sort of like me apologizing to Portugal for Lapu-lapu killing Magellan. Mostly symbolic, but I bet it went a long way as far the Jewish people were concerned.

[mannyamador]

One of the key motivations for Vatican II was Christian-Jewish reconciliation. This was because, for the longest time (and by that I mean Pre-Vatican 2), it was a widely held belief by your average Christian (non-Catholics included) that the Jews as a people were responsible for Deicide.

Yes, that was a view held by many individual anti-semites, catholic and non-catholic. Sad but true. But anti-semitism was NEVER a doctrine of the Catholic Church. That's why, as you correctly pointed out, Vatican II made the declaration in Nostra Aetate.

[noelkoi]

carlo and tolstoi.. kataw-anan man kay mong duha bro oi.hehehe

[noelkoi]

mao na btaw ni bai ang gi tawag nilang " the truth will set us free"

[digitalsuperman]

siguro the vatican had good reasons why they did those secret things..
but whatever it is, always remember that some of the worst things that could happen came up with the best intentions..

[noelkoi]

digit

instakto! :mrgreen:

[Gwynhuever]

siguro the vatican had good reasons why they did those secret things..
but whatever it is, always remember that some of the worst things that could happen came up with the best intentions..

i dig ya bro... :mrgreen:

[Carlo Borromeo]

But anti-semitism was NEVER a doctrine of the Catholic Church. That's why, as you correctly pointed out, Vatican II made the declaration in Nostra Aetate.

Jews Segregated By Papal Bull

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/heritage/epi...cuments_3.html

The persecution of Jews during the Counter-Reformation was intensified by this 1555 papal bull issued by Pope Paul IV decreeing a broad range of anti-Jewish restrictions in papal territories. Jews were to be almost completely isolated from Christians by being confined to a Jewish quarter, restricted from employing Christians, and ordered to wear distinctive articles of clothing.

1. . . . in all future times in this city [Rome], as in all other cities, holdings, and territories belonging to the Roman Church, all Jews are to live solely in one and the same location, or if that is not possible, in two or three or as many as are necessary, which are to be contiguous and separated completely from the dwellings of Christians. . . . And they are to have only one entry, and so too one exit.

2. . . . [the Jews] may have only one synagogue in its customary location, and they may construct no new synagogue. Nor may they possess any real property. Accordingly, they must demolish and destroy all their [other] synagogues except for this one alone. The real property which they now possess, they must sell to Christians within a period of time. . . .

3. And so that they be identified everywhere as Jews, men and women are respectively required and bound to wear in full view a hat or some obvious marking, both to be blue in color, in such a way that they may not be concealed or hidden. . . .

4. [And they shall not] have nurses or serving women or any other Christians serving them, of whatever ***. Nor shall they have their children wet-nursed or reared by Christian women.

5. Nor may they themselves or anyone in their employ labor in public on Sundays or other feast days declared by the Church. . . .

7. Nor may they be so presumptuous as to entertain or dine with Christians or to develop close relations and friendships with them.

8. Nor may they use in the ledgers and account books which they have with Christians . . . any other alphabet than the Latin one or any other language than everyday Italian. If they do otherwise, these books will have no value [when brought as testimony in court] against Christians [who have defaulted on repayment].

9. Additionally, these Jews may carry on no business as purveyors of grain, barley, or other items necessary for human sustenance, but must be limited [in this sphere] to dealing only in second-hand clothing.

10. As for those among them [the Jews] who are physicians, even if they are summoned and requested, they may not come forth and attend to the care of Christians.

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[Gwynhuever]

^^ bro nag read ko sa imong post kanumdum lang ko sa Merchant of Venice....parehas jud sa imo gi describe above...

[Desert Father]

On the Church and the German Reich

MIT BRENNENDER SORGE

ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON THE CHURCH AND THE GERMAN REICH MARCH 14, 1937

7. Take care, Venerable Brethren, that above all, faith in God, the first and irreplaceable foundation of all religion, be preserved in Germany pure and unstained. The believer in God is not he who utters the name in his speech, but he for whom this sacred word stands for a true and worthy concept of the Divinity. Whoever identifies, by pantheistic confusion, God and the universe, by either lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God, is not a believer in God. Whoever follows that so-called pre-Christian Germanic conception of substituting a dark and impersonal destiny for the personal God, denies thereby the Wisdom and Providence of God who "Reacheth from end to end mightily, and ordereth all things sweetly" (Wisdom viii. 1). Neither is he a believer in God.

8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community--however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things--whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.

9. Beware, Venerable Brethren, of that growing abuse, in speech as in writing, of the name of God as though it were a meaningless label, to be affixed to any creation, more or less arbitrary, of human speculation. Use your influence on the Faithful, that they refuse to yield to this aberration. Our God is the Personal God, supernatural, omnipotent, infinitely perfect, one in the Trinity of Persons, tri-personal in the unity of divine essence, the Creator of all existence. Lord, King and ultimate Consummator of the history of the world, who will not, and cannot, tolerate a rival God by His side

10. This God, this Sovereign Master, has issued commandments whose value is independent of time and space, country and race. As God's sun shines on every human face so His law knows neither privilege nor exception. Rulers and subjects, crowned and uncrowned, rich and poor are equally subject to His word. From the fullness of the Creators' right there naturally arises the fullness of His right to be obeyed by individuals and communities, whoever they are. This obedience permeates all branches of activity in which moral values claim harmony with the law of God, and pervades all integration of the ever-changing laws of man into the immutable laws of God.

11. None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are "as a drop of a bucket" (Isaiah xI, 15).