Are the Dead Really Dead?

[newtonscousin]

for me when u say dead, it's only the physical appearance is gone o dead but the soul or spirit is still alive or still present in the absent of the physical body...

only their body is dead but their soul still remain alive and peaceful..

i used to believe this way before but not now. the Bible doesnt teach us such belief.

the Bible doesnt support the common teachings that we are immortal. only God has immortality.

Ecclesiastes 12

7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

that Bible says that the soul shall die.

Ezekiel 18:4

4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Watch:
YouTube - Confusion in the Cemetery 1/6

[newtonscousin]

question to the TS:

when Jesus died, was his spirit is sleeping for 3 days before his resurrection?

i believed it went the same process.

Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pokQT...eature=related

[newtonscousin]

according to the link:

1. How did we get here in the first place?

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7.Answer: God made us from dust in the beginning.


In the scientific sense of things.
I would rather believe that God created a woman first.
You see, woman carries the egg for reproduction.
She has the womb to bear a child.
She has all the necessary things to create life.
All God will do is fertilize the egg she carries and then she will bear a baby.


If God created man first. He has no way of reproducing another human.
Just a thought.
Why I do not believe God created man first.

If the man was created first.
then he has no means of reproduction (or reproducing will be impossible without a woman).
and he will be alone in this world and die lonely.

it seems your thinking that God has only a limited power and can only do things which we think are possible?

Matthew 19
26 - But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pokQT...eature=related

[necrotic freak]

i believed it went the same process.

Watch:
YouTube - Confusion in the Cemetery 1/6

where in the scripture that tells Jesus spirit was sleeping?

[necrotic freak]

The Bible Disproves Soul Sleep

Soul Sleep refers to the idea that when we die, our souls cease to exist or at least “fall asleep” and become totally inert, until the end of the world and our resurrection. Various religions have different understandings about exactly how soul sleep works, but in practical terms it would mean that the dead are not conscious in any way, and hence that there are no saints in heaven interceding on our behalf, etc.

Here is an example of a verse that is used to defend soul sleep:
Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
The context shows that this verse is not speaking about soul sleep, just as “they have no more reward” is not denying the resurrection of the dead. To show that the author of Ecclesiastes did not believe in soul sleep, one can cite the following verse from the same book:
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was; and the spirit shall return to God who gave it.
That is, the soul has an existence independent of the body, and returns to God at death, etc.

Biblical verses which disprove soul sleep

Here is a list of verses which show that “soul sleep” is contrary to what the Bible teaches.

Revelation 6:9-10
When he broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of all the people who had been killed on account of the word of God, for witnessing to it. They shouted aloud, “Holy, faithful Master, how much longer will you wait before you pass sentence and take vengeance for our death on the inhabitants of the earth?”
The Bible is saying that martyrs go to heaven before the Judgment. Note that this takes place before the resurrection, before the end of the world, before the Judgment, while life is going on as usual on the earth. Also, the martyrs, despite being “dead”, have their own memories, and remember that they have been martyred. So to say that these martyrs “know nothing” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) in the sense of being unconscious, or something like that, would be incorrect.

Luke 16:19-31
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, “Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.” But Abraham said, “Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.” Then he said, “I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.” Abraham saith unto him, “They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.” And he said, “Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.” And he said unto him, “If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
Lazarus and the rich man have both died, but their souls are still alive, despite the death of their bodies (and the same is true of Abraham). All this takes place before the resurrection of their bodies, while the rich man’s brothers are still alive.

Luke 12:4
And I say unto you my friends, “Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.”
Here we see that Jesus says that murderers kill only the body, and cannot harm the soul at all. In other words, our soul stays alive, despite anything a murderer might try to do.

2 Corinthians 5:6,8-9
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord.... We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
If our soul dies when our body dies, then how can we be “absent” from the body? Yet, the Bible says that we can be with the Lord while absent from our body!

Matthew 22:31-32
...have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, “I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?” God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Luke 24:37-39
But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, “Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”
If a spirit apart from its body is dead, then surely the Apostles would know this and thus would not have thought that a living Jesus would be a spirit. Also, if the Apostles had been incorrect in believing that a person’s soul survives apart from that person’s body, then why didn’t Jesus correct them instead of encouraging them in this “erroneous” belief they held? In fact, Jesus here says that the spirit exists independently of the body.

Genesis 35:18
And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died)...
Note that, when Rachel died, her soul departed. It didn’t “fall asleep”.

John 11:25-26
Jesus said unto her, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.”

Revelation 20:4
I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus... they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Note that John saw only the souls of the martyrs.

Jude 1:7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Note that they are presently suffering, and thus not unconscious.

Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, “Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
That day (“today”) was before the resurrection.

Matthew 17:1,3-4
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, and, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.”
Moses had died, (Deuteronomy 34:5 – So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord.) and yet, despite being dead, he is able to speak to Jesus.

[cptn_star]

Bible na sad.

There is life outside the bible.

The bible is just a guiding principle to life.

But it is not everything in life.

It is like a drivers manual in life.
Once you've read it and understood every principle in it you are good to drive.
You can check it out from time to time if you trouble shoot problems.
But you do not read that manual everyday.
Or look at it every
time you make a turn.

My father reads the bible everyday.
He gamble and cheats.

He left us when I was 4 and married somebody from davao.
They have five kids.
He beat up his sons regularly.
And raped one of her daughter--
even got her pregnant and abort the child.

He left that family and marry another woman from luzon.

Until now he is still active in church in pampanga
and he is still carrying his bible which he proudly memorized every book just like his grandfather.

You see, I'm not very impressed with people who carries a bible.

you think that way sir because of your personal past with your father...your father is your father and your father is not other people...

[cptn_star]

what contains life is our spirits...kani atong physical na lawas, basiyo ra ni nato...if our physical bodies die, our spirit still exist and will then wait for judgement...

[akosabni]

@soul doc: now it makes sense why you think god is a creator who leaves his creation behind...

good observation, i kind of agree with this

[akosabni]

@TS ... does god also produces bad breath? i mean where did satan's spirit come from?

this is amazing in did, can't say that these are facts though

[necrotic freak]

where is the thread starter? guess he's still sleeping like those souls he believe..